Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by rollo the ganger » Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:32 pm

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:Do you just make things up as you go along or something? Hitler dictated Mein Kampf to Rudolf Hess.

Have you read Mein Kampf or not? You never answered my question. It seems as though you have not.

Provide evidence that it was written by a ghost writer.
Yes, I've read Mein Kampf a few times. It's nothing but a short biography and a lot of wistful babbling. The truth is Rudolf Hess wrote most of it whereas Hitler only provided info on his early life. If you bothered to read Been There's post about Captain Mayr and followed up a little on that you'll see that he also evidences that Hitler did not write Mein Kampf.
Mr. KnowItAll wrote:Yes, I have read many anti-semitic works in the past. All of them were a load of shit.
We can agree on that. So was Mein Kampf. However, no where in "his" book or elsewhere does Hitler actually say; "I hate Jews." Your saying that he does is only conjecture.
Mr. KnowItAll wrote:It’s not my meme, I want you to show evidence that the reason Hitler was against the Jews was because of others hatred towards the Jews.

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Prove that claim.
I have no need to explain the obvious. Especially to someone as ignorant on the subject as you Mr. KnowItAll.

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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:58 pm

rollo the ganger wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:02 am
Hitler's speech had more to do with opposing a social system, i.e., against "Materialism and Mammonism". Opposition doesn't necessarily mean hatred. And then again, it doesn't mean he loved or liked them either.
This is correct, the Reich were aware of the corruption inherent within the J social system; they were aware of the origins of the Hebrews, the Habiru/abiru/Kabiru. Hebrew is just a slight dialect change of Ha Bi Ru. These were not a race or class of people but outcasts, thieves, murderers who took on tribal affiliations. This area was the only place on Earth where Neanderthal and modern humans co existed, and it was thought that the Neanderthal became nomads 80 000 or so years ago. The Habiru were also cave dwellers.

While modern Js are not neanderthal it is possible there is different switching on and off of genes which was necessary for survival, an adaptation. Hitler was trying to establish the phenotype but with limited success. However, J were considered by many at the time to be sub human, more to be pitied than hated; perhaps feared. The Jsh Neatherthal hypothesis is worthy of discussion in the lounge where a thread is started on the Habiru.
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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:46 pm

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Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:23 pm
KnowItAll isn't here to have any discourse or discussion. He's only on RODOH to make derogatory comments and post insults. He sounds like a denizen (sock-puppet?) of the Clown forum.
Indeed. Back on topic, it is clear that the National Socialists considered Jude to be another race, almost another sub species of modern day humans. This was before modern DNA testing.; “Jewish” people - meaning Sephardic Jude - have typical Southern European DNA, so the Neanderthal DNA percentage is higher on average than other comparable populations. On September 16, 1919 Herr Hitler defined Jude as a race, and not just a religion. There is a mitochondrial DNA marker, that indicates a 90 to 99% chance that a person is of Ashkenazi ancestry. The National Socialists of the time did not have this technology but did understand that there were expressions of being Jude in the phenotype e.g Jude noses.

Analysis of DNA samples has shown that on the female line, the Ashkenazim are descended not from the Near East but from southern and western Europe.
Professor Richards states
‌"This suggests that, even though Jewish men may indeed have migrated into Europe from Palestine around 2000 years ago, they seem to have married European women,
..In Hebrew, the word "Ashkenazi" means "Germans".
The “Jewish” Ashkenazim had come from a region of known late-lingering Neanderthals, the Caucasus Mountains and the neighboring Russian steppes. Some typically “Jewish” physical traits were very obviously vestigial Neanderthal ones – generally a short stature and a plump physique, many very short wide-hipped and big- breasted women, extremely hairy men and a tendency toward beetling brows and large beaky “hooked” noses in both genders. Many Ashkenazim have crinkly-curly head hair tending toward dark reddish brown or mahogany in color.

Their “chosen people” pretension is a typical Neanderthal in-group obsession that is actually a genetic racist predisposition against all other humans. It is a genetically determined “us against them” mentality. Their higher level of known Neanderthal aggression against outsiders is responsible for their disproportional social influence wherever they have settled in the West. . . .

The Ashkenazi Jews, as a group, exhibit lingering Neanderthal traits most strongly among living Caucasians because of Jewish prohibitions against marriage with outsiders. Their Neanderthal genes have been kept “all in the family”, as it were. These Neanderthal genes were not diluted by intermarriage nearly as much as with most other Caucasians.

This fully explains the isolation of Jude and their propensity into violence. They were not hated. They over stayed their welcome by too long. The point is, that we did not hate Jude, they hated us then and they still hate; they see us as a separate species.
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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:52 am

TheGodfather wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:31 pm
Mr.''Knowitall'' knows that he's going to get banned soon, so he trolls while it lasts.
I think we should give the poster what he wants to see and hear for perusal at its own leisure.
For those interested in reality and in depth knowledge of "the perceived enemy of mankind" ; they may be interested in downloading and reading the following. This will explain why Jude were wanted out. Apparently Herr Hitler was influenced by this work as well as that of Henry Ford The problem with Jude is that they act as a collective, for a common purpose which only suits themselves. I think Dawkins put it correctly when he described this pattern in his book "the Selfish Gene". This has resulted in thousands of Jude being lost which has nothing to do with the alleged Holocaust. If Jude were just content with making a living, enjoying their candelabras and reading the Torah that is fine, but it is their influence in world wealth and power which is a concern. One only needs to look at the thread in memories on National Socialism to see that every video is taken down.

If a single nation such as say Korea had such perverse power there would be war. They act as a vile collective which must be stopped at all costs.
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National Socialists tried to collaborate with Jude, but like in Palestine today that was not possible. For the mean time National Socialists are not interested in further collaboration due to that "stab in the back" once again and lies. It is doubted if the new Nazis would have interests in Jude. It is clear that Jude are exerting authority over nations without the appropriate protocols put in place. The world will realize what is going on and when it does the alleged Holocaust may seem like a garden picnic.
It was the jude propensity to form clandestine groups which brought them to the attention of the German Secret Police.. the Gestapo. Sadly this was a time of war and there were many false positives, but most Jude were deported and evicted as the Reich Policy. This is not denied.
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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:27 am

been-there, are you not aware that Hitler’s views about the Jews changed over time?

A few quotes from Mein Kampf:
Once, as I was strolling through the Inner City, I suddenly encountered an apparition in a black caftan and black hair locks.

Is this a Jew? was my first thought.

For, to be sure, they had not looked like that in Linz. I observed the man furtively and cautiously, but the longer I stared at this foreign face, scrutinizing feature for feature, the more my first question assumed a new form:

Is this a German?

As always in such cases, I now began to try to relieve my doubts by books. For a few hellers I bought the first antiSemitic pamphlets of my life. Unfortunately, they all proceeded from the supposition that in principle the reader knew or even understood the Jewish question to a certain degree. Besides, the tone for the most part was such that doubts again arose in me, due in part to the dull and amazingly unscientific arguments favoring the thesis.

I relapsed for weeks at a time, once even for months.
The whole thing seemed to me so monstrous, the accusations so boundless, that, tormented by the fear of doing injustice, I again became anxious and uncertain.

[...]

I had ceased to be a weak-kneed cosmopolitan and become an anti-Semite.
By the time the Austrian corporal Hitler came to power in 1933 he had equated “Jew” with “Marxism” and was anti-Semitic. A letter from the late 1910s proves nothing, one can read Mein Kampf and can see that he gradually began to hate the Jews.
"It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism."

- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:29 am

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:27 am
By the time the Austrian corporal Hitler came to power in 1933 he had equated “Jew” with “Marxism” and was anti-Semitic. A letter from the late 1910s proves nothing, one can read Mein Kampf and can see that he gradually began to hate the Jews.
Who cares, both he and all those Jude are now dead. He equated them with Soviet Bolshevism. Bolshevism was eine jüdische Verschwörung; they corrupted Marxism for their own ends. This is what Jude do. Hitler himself applauded Marxism.
Who cares what rank he got in the first world war; in the aftermath he was a great Politician who inspired million with great rhetoric for the freedoms of the working class man. He was a socialist by nature. He had good reasons to be anti semitic. There was no hate, just disgust as most normal people feel for these untermensch. He was right, they are descendants of neanderthals who originally were called Habiru, outcasts. The Germans also knew then that gypsies were also Jude albeit one of the "lost tribes".
Jude could have invoked קידוש השם‎ which would have save the Reich and the world many problems; it is still a viable option.
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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by rollo the ganger » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:38 am

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:By the time the Austrian corporal Hitler came to power in 1933 he had equated “Jew” with “Marxism” and was anti-Semitic. A letter from the late 1910s proves nothing, one can read Mein Kampf and can see that he gradually began to hate the Jews.
Mr. KnowItAll once again fails to show us where Hitler himself actually says that he "hates Jews"
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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by been-there » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:55 am

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:27 am
been-there, are you not aware that Hitler’s views about the Jews changed over time?
Of course his views changed over time. So of course I am aware of that fact. Obviously Adolf Hitler initially had no prejudice against Jews as he wasn't aware of either them, nor what since the time of Napoleon was increasingly called ‘the Jewish question’.
So of course that viewpoint changed after his time in Vienna. Sure.
Yet the fact remains that Hitler never ever hated people individually because they were Jewish.
His best and closest friends during his time in the homeless shelter in Vienna were ALL Jewish. This is well attested to. Reinhold Hanisch also lived in the homeless hostel and was his partner in selling Hitler's paintings then. He related that Hitler's closest friends at that time were Josef Neumann and Siegfried Löffner, both Jews: "Neumann was a goodhearted man who liked Hitler very much and whom Hitler of course highly esteemed."
So you appear Papasha to be holding to an incorrect view out of ignorance.

His long-time friend, compatriot, chauffeur and body-guard Emil Maurice had Jewish ethnicity, and Hitler knew that. Hitler not only had and kept a friendship, respect and loyalty towards him his whole life, but he extended his protection to Emil's brothers and whole family.

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Emil Maurice and Adolf Hitler, walking together.

Then there is the regard, respect and protection Adolf had for Eduard Bloch, his childhood Jewish family Doctor who also cared for his mother during her last illness.
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Because of the poor economic situation of the Hitler family, Bloch charged reduced prices, sometimes taking no fee at all. The then 18-year-old Hitler granted him his "everlasting gratitude" for this: “Ich werde Ihnen ewig dankbar sein”.
In 1908 Hitler wrote Bloch a postcard assuring him of his eternal gratitude and reverence which he expressed with handmade gifts, as for example, a large wall painting which according to Bloch's daughter Gertrude Kren (born 1903 in Austria, died 1992 in the US) was lost in the course of time. Even in 1937, Hitler inquired about Bloch's well-being and called him an Edeljude ("noble Jew"). Bloch also apparently had a special fondness for the Hitler family...
Then there is the famous and obviously mutual affection Hitler had with the little Jewish girl Rosa Bernile Nienau.
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Bernile lived in Munich and met Hitler after she and her widowed mother travelled to see their Führer at Hitler’s Bavarian Berchtesgarden retreat in 1933. Photos of the two were very popular in magazines and were sold as postcards. She was known as 'the Fuhrer's child'. Bernile and Hitler shared the same birthday and became penpals until 1938. She died on the 5th October 1943 of polio at the age of 17 in a Munich hospital.

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Just as with his friend Emil Maurice, Hitler was aware of her Jewish ethnicity also. These are just three examples which provide proof that Hitler DID NOT hate people because of their ethnic backgrounds and it is proof that it did not prevent him from having an affectionate regard and friendship with Jews.

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Another aspect of this is that Hitler loved being with and playing with children, whatever their religion or race, and they loved and adored him. This is an aspect of Hitler's personality that many people don't know about, as information of it is denied to us. And that is because it contradicts the war-time and post-war self-delusional demonisation of him.

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So now, I have answered your question.
And, you?
You have repeatedly refused to answer questions put to you. Why won't YOU do that?
I regard this regretably as the sign of a deceitful idealogue.
Either that OR someone who is in denial and holds to beliefs that they have not arrived at through reason, but only learnt parrot-like.

Do you agree that most people start life accepting beliefs unreasonably and uncritically, as we are taught them at an age when we don't question authority or our socities mores?
Upon reaching some sort of maturity, if we maintain steadfast and obstinate reluctance to investigate when our beliefs are credibly refuted, that can be seen as the sign of a weak and immature intellect. Do you agree?
If so, this is similar to the idea related in that part of Adolf Hitler's autobiographical book that you have here quoted. Which I think is rather ironic, as you do not appear to have understood that.
Hitler related how he read anti-semitic pamphlets in Vienna but couldn't initially believe all the accusations made in them against collective Jewry. He describes how it was very hard for him to accept the truth of what he read about Jews collectively, and it took months before he accepted the accuracy of what he himself personally witnessed in Vienna. That presumably was because he also had very good experiences of Jews in Vienna, which he also describes in 'Mein kampf'. Do you deny this?
Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:27 am
A few quotes from Mein Kampf:
Once, as I was strolling through the city-centre, I suddenly encountered an apparition in a black caftan and black hair locks. ‘Is this a Jew?’ was my first thought. For, to be sure, they had not looked like that in Linz. I observed the man furtively and cautiously, but the longer I stared at this foreign face, scrutinizing feature for feature, the more my first question assumed a new form: ‘Is this a German?’

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As always in such cases, I now began to try to relieve my doubts by books. For a few hellers I bought the first anti-Semitic pamphlets of my life. Unfortunately, they all proceeded from the supposition that in principle the reader knew or even understood the Jewish question to a certain degree. Besides, the tone for the most part was such that doubts again arose in me, due in part to the dull and amazingly unscientific arguments favouring the thesis.

I relapsed for weeks at a time, once even for months. The whole thing seemed to me so monstrous, the accusations so boundless, that, tormented by the fear of doing injustice, I again became anxious and uncertain.[...]

I had ceased to be a weak-kneed cosmopolitan and become an anti-Semite.
By the time the Austrian corporal Hitler came to power in 1933 he had equated “Jew” with “Marxism” and was anti-Semitic. A letter from the late 1910s proves nothing, one can read Mein Kampf and can see that he gradually began to hate the Jews.
So... Sure people change their minds. Of course, people's understanding can develop and expand. What you do not seem to understand is that there is no contradiction between what Adolf wrote in 1919 to Gemlich with what he dictated to Hess in Landsberg in the 1920's.

Being opposed to the traits, habits and clandestine machinations of a large majority of a group, collective or entire race is not the same as “hating” each and every individual comprising that group.
In 'Mein kampf' Hitler wrote:And whatever doubts I may still have nourished were finally dispelled by the attitude of a portion of the Jews themselves.
Just as someone can be opposed to the tendency towards criminality, immorality and organised crime of American immigrant Italians connected to the Mafia without personally hating all Italians.

Yet there was an obvious difference between immigrant Italians and immigrant Jews at that time, which still exists. But this is a taboo topic that is punished with thought-crime legislation and mass-media intimidation.
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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:10 pm

rollo the ganger wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:38 am
Mr. KnowItAll wrote:By the time the Austrian corporal Hitler came to power in 1933 he had equated “Jew” with “Marxism” and was anti-Semitic. A letter from the late 1910s proves nothing, one can read Mein Kampf and can see that he gradually began to hate the Jews.
Mr. KnowItAll once again fails to show us where Hitler himself actually says that he "hates Jews"
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Goodness me, you really are stupid.

LOL! Deniers love posting a one single proof demand. Read the book you incompetent moron, Hitler even wrote that some Jews should have been gassed.

I’m still waiting for you to provide proof that a ghost writer wrote Mein Kampf.
"It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism."

- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Re: Why did Hitler hate the Jews?

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:14 pm

been-there, with regards to your Hitler-worshipping post, you posted about people who had Jewish ancestry but were not classified as Jews by the Nuremberg Laws.

Another fail from you.
"It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism."

- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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