Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by DasPrussian » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:50 pm

Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:19 pm
Das Prussian wrote:
Whats up Turnagain, why are you ignoring the evidence ?
Goldfarb is one witness who claims that there were openings in the roof. Bomba, Rajchman, Wiernik and Rosenberg all claim that the gas/vacuum chambers were hermetically sealed. Why are you ignoring that evidence, DP? How do you pump the air out of a chamber if it isn't sealed? BTW, Wiernik also helped to build the new gas chamber.
Nope. I havent ignored the witnesses who claimed the GC were HS . I have explained why. So why are you lying ?

But more importantly I have proved that there were vents in the roof, for the release of the gas. Everything else is now irrelevant. You've lost the debate. Goodnight, loser :lol: :lol:
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:57 pm

DasPrussian wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:50 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:19 pm
Das Prussian wrote:
Whats up Turnagain, why are you ignoring the evidence ?
Goldfarb is one witness who claims that there were openings in the roof. Bomba, Rajchman, Wiernik and Rosenberg all claim that the gas/vacuum chambers were hermetically sealed. Why are you ignoring that evidence, DP? How do you pump the air out of a chamber if it isn't sealed? BTW, Wiernik also helped to build the new gas chamber.
Nope. I havent ignored the witnesses who claimed the GC were HS . I have explained why. So why are you lying ?

But more importantly I have proved that there were vents in the roof, for the release of the gas. Everything else is now irrelevant. You've lost the debate. Goodnight, loser :lol: :lol:
Exactly.

I think Nessie should read this and not bother responding to Turnagain's false claims which he repeats constantly that at Treblinka there were no gas chambers, no mass graves have been found and it was a transit camp.

I exposed Turnagain as a liar when he claimed that Goering, Mengele and other Nazis said that there were no gas chambers at Treblinka, check this out:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3846&start=60#p153061

He started the claim on the thread:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3847#p152839

He knew he couldn't prove his claim so he responded with the following:
Goering, like other high ranking National Socialists, denied that lethal gas chambers existed. If you don't like it, prove it wrong or GFY.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3847&start=10#p152944

Sums up Turnagain's honesty, eh?
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Turnagain » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:09 pm

Nope, you haven't explained "why" DP. Why are you lying? You've presented one witness to holes in the roof but can't explain how the air was pumped out of the chambers.

You've lost the debate. Goodnight, (in my case, good afternoon) loser.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Turnagain » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:42 pm

Mr.KnowItAll wrote:
I think Nessie should read this and not bother responding to Turnagain's false claims which he repeats constantly that at Treblinka there were no gas chambers, no mass graves have been found and it was a transit camp.
Your hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers are bullshit, KnowItAll. If the 10X25X50 meter mass graves of Wiernik or the even larger mass graves of Rajchman have been located then let's see some evidence of that. Wiernik's model proves that he didn't see any such graves and NOBODY has ever explained the secret of the flammable cadavers at Treblinka.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by been-there » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:50 pm

DasPrussian wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:03 pm
been-there wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 pm

No. A fairer and more reasonable assumption to make would be that they never saw a homicidal gas chamber.
Well if you could provide something credible that would demonstrate this, then it might go some way in making it a fair assumption. Why don't you go through each witness that I have used and explain why you believe that they did not see a homicidal gas chamber ? Here is the list :

1) Shimon Goldberg
2) Eli Rosenberg
3) Abram Goldfarb
4) Yankel Wiernik

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Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 pm
A fairer and more reasonable assumption to make would be that they made up lies that out of their ignorance they didn't know were obviously impractical and/or impossible.
So according to you, these witnesses who mentioned vents in the roof, which was required in order to make the gassing possible, lied because vents made gassing impossible !!!!!!!!! Yeah, cos that makes sense doesn't it ? You obviously are one hell of a confused individual, aren't you ? :? :?
been-there wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 pm
Lies, that — together with the lack of disturbed earth, for their lies of hundreds of thousands of jews buried in mass-graves; and their lies about mass-murder weapons of diesel exhaust; and coerced confessions of captured non-existent tank and uboat engines; and their lies about the gassed victims displaying biologically improbable discolourisations — all converges. Taken together, these lies point to the more credible convergence-of-evidence conclusion: viz. that the obvious occam's-razor conclusion is that the mass-gassing allegation and eye-witness testimony is a gigantic lie.
All the above perceived 'problems' with the death camp/gassing episode have been dealt with and explained. Your memory is either really bad, or you are deliberately ignoring them as they do not suit your agenda and 'psychotic belief system' .
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 pm
The hermetically sealed chambers is just one small but obvious part of a tissue of anti-German — and therefore RACIST — LIES!!!

There. Do you understand now? :)
Well considering this thread is all about the gas chambers not being hermetically sealed, and I have produced credible corroborating evidence that backs up my claim, then no more needs to be said on the matter, does it ?

No, I do not understand or agree with your flawed logic, or equally flawed interpretation of events. It is bordering on insanity.
been-there wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 pm
And as for this:
DP wrote “Why anyone would deliberately lie about such a thing?”
:lol:
Oh boy! :? :roll:
You haven't explained why the witness would be thinking " right, I know the gas chambers didn't exist, and it was only a shower room I saw, but if I claim that they were hermetically sealed, just like the doors that I saw, then the judge is bound to believe me" !! How does that even work ?????

So if the witnesses just said "the doors were hermetically sealed" , you would have no issue with that , yes ? But because some added that the whole room was hermetically sealed, then that's a problem and it makes them a liar ????? Wow, that's some pretty mental stuff, nowotimean ?
Wow! These people defending the h-narrative!? :?

I must say — although I know its an ad hominem response — that the lack of coherent, intelligent, reasonable replies makes me give up. We are dealing with deeply deranged people who appear to me to be intellectual pygmies.
Fancy somebody seriously asking why we should regard the testimony of Yankel Wiernik as a collection of non-credible lies after everything that has already been said here about that!!? :o

Imagine someone seriously asking why a so-called survivor who wanted vengeance against his former-captors should go along with the evolving atrocity propaganda and contribute invented but impossible lies?! Really? Why would he do that? Seriously? You can't think it through for yourself? :o
You have to be a bit thick or deeply delusional to ask such a question.

Asking why Eva Moses Korr would lie that she and her family were transported in a cattle cart for four days without food or water but only one pear between about twenty people but not only did they all survive, but when they arrived at Auschwitz and were offered soup she refused it because she didn't know whether it was kosher or not?!!
No water for 3 or 4 days! They'd all be at death's door if not already dead!
So... Why would she lie so impossibly like that?
Really? You don't know why??! Oy vey!

Or how about all those Jewish 'survivor' eye-witnesses who lied under oath at the John Demjanjuk trial saying he was Ivan the terrible. Why would they have lied like that against an innocent man who faced the death penalty because of their lying, 'converging' perjury?
Why? Why would they condemn an innocent man?

Etc., etc., etc.

Those people lied, exaggerated and invented and often it was nonsense.
And now here we are — decades later — dealing with our own liars here.

And he can't even comprehend why the lie of pumping exhaust fumes into a hermetically sealed room would create an atmospheric pressure tyat would destroy the building. So its not just dishonesty, juvenile insult, logically fallacious argument AND IGNORANCE. But these people are slightly psychotic, I'm tellin' ya.

So... I put DP back on ignore. Its not worthwhile dealing with his incoherent, hate-filled nonsense.
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:07 pm

been-there wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:50 pm

Those people lied, exaggerated and invented and often it was nonsense.
And now here we are — decades later — dealing with our own liars here.

So... I put DP back on ignore. Its not worthwhile dealing with his incoherent, hate-filled nonsense.
Indeed as well as clone trolls. All of this overwhelming evidence they claim and cannot produce. Saying something is self evident is meaningless and an assumption. They are bored over at the clowns forum and just come here with no intention of discussing anything remotely real only he said, she said, if buts and maybes. There is a thread on 'where did they go", but it still brings it up every time as though it has meaning.
Perhaps the hermetic sealing in the very strong building was to provide heated compressed gases along with super heated steam to compress the people into square blocks a little like the car crushers. This is how it was described by the earlier eye witnesses prior to the morphing.
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Nessie » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:51 am

Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:00 pm
Nessie wrote:
Not all of those you quoted was an eye witness. Go through Kon, Skarzyński, Grossmann, Donat and Wiernik and show who was an actual eye witness, who was reporting herasay and what they did and saw at the gas chambers, if they worked there at all.
Nope, YOU go through that list and show which witnesses were eyewitnesses. Your claim, your proof. Let's see it.
It is your claim that they all witnessed gassings. I take it, so you can avoid doing any work, you are now withdrawing your claim.
There are witnesses from the few thousand selected to work.
Name and quote the witnesses who said that they had been selected for work. What about the witnesses who said that they spent at least a night in Treblinka before being sent to other destinations? What about the witnesses who DIDN'T say anything about being "selected for work"? Oh, that's right, those witnesses were sent to Malkinia or Timbuktu or "someplace else".

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
Stop asking me to do things I have previously done. We agree that some witnesses in Hunts video referenced being selected to work. Others did not, being describe being in smaller transports and since the film is edited down, may have referenced their work selection elsewhere in their testimony. Yes, the reference to spending the night could have been Malkinia. It was the transit camp.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Huntinger » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:55 am

Nessie wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:51 am
Yes, the reference to spending the night could have been Malkinia. It was the transit camp.
Well and SS under officer said it was Malkinia. Where is your evidence that Malinia was not the currently claimed TII, apart from lie witnesses. I have no idea but this Jude bogus crap with stones set in a forest does not cut mustard. It is also not in our records.
Were there sealed gaskammers in malkinia? Say something your version is no less credible than the liars from 75 years ago.
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Turnagain » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:57 am

Aha! Nessie goes for the old, "I already done that", schtick.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Nessie » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:04 am

Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:19 pm
Das Prussian wrote:
Whats up Turnagain, why are you ignoring the evidence ?
Goldfarb is one witness who claims that there were openings in the roof. Bomba, Rajchman, Wiernik and Rosenberg all claim that the gas/vacuum chambers were hermetically sealed. Why are you ignoring that evidence, DP? How do you pump the air out of a chamber if it isn't sealed? BTW, Wiernik also helped to build the new gas chamber.
Which is why his description should be considered the most accurate, as he knew more about the workings than the others.

This hermetic seal issue is like the diesel issue. Deniers get all excited and think they have stumbled onto something significant. But no denier has the expertise to examine the witness testimony in detail to establish why some said diesel and hermetic seals. What we find, in both cases, is that those witnesses who saw the gas chambers in detail, the engine, pipes etc, give different testimony from those who were not involved in the workings of the building.

A witness who worked with the engine gives a far more accurate description that a witness who never saw the engine. A witness who worked outwith the gassings and whose job was say to cut hair or bury the bodies, gives a less accurate description than a witness who was inside a gas chamber itself or who helped build the building.

Deniers have no experience of interviewing witnesses or taking statements. They lack understanding about how witnesses behave. They cannot tell the difference between hearsay, eye witness testimony or recognise hyperbole. They just think Jews are liars (except when they say something they are prepared to believe). They do not understand how witnesses will have had differing perspectives and knowledge of what they saw.

Denial criticism of witnesses is very poor indeed, to the point that ALL denier criticism of witnesses can be rejected as biased and uniformed.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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