Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Turnagain » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:59 am

Huntinger wrote:
You have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.
The physical laws and definitions of this reality are not necessarily those of Nessie's universe, Hunt.

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Nessie » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:07 am

Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:59 am
Huntinger wrote:
You have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.
The physical laws and definitions of this reality are not necessarily those of Nessie's universe, Hunt.
A chamber specifically designed to gas those inside, is a gas chamber. It cannot be hermetically sealed, or else, how would the gas get in?

The witness Wiernik realised that and he only referred to hermetic seals on the doors and a vent. The other witnesses did not realise that and are likely also referring to the hermetic seals the Nazis used to stop gas leaking out of the doors and vents.

A system of pipes from an engine, controlled by valves, with pipes into the chambers, would allow the gas to circulate and get to fatal levels. A simple outlet pipe would stop any pressure issues.

There is nothing incredible about how the Nazis built the TII gas chambers, it is simple engineering. They certainly would not explode as you suggested!
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Turnagain » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:16 am

Yep, in Nessie's universe, "hermetically sealed" doesn't actually mean, "hermetically sealed". Got a problem with pressure? Not in Nessie's universe. He simply invents another "outlet pipe" while the vents remain sealed. In Nessie's universe, the little boy DID ride his tricycle to the moon.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:24 am

Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:16 am
Yep, in Nessie's universe, "hermetically sealed" doesn't actually mean, "hermetically sealed". Got a problem with pressure? Not in Nessie's universe. He simply invents another "outlet pipe" while the vents remain sealed.
I think every person however limited intellectually should have a voice. At the end of the day the lack of cognitive coherence of the poster described is apparent to every one. It said:
There is nothing incredible about how the Nazis built the TII gas chambers, it is simple engineering. They certainly would not explode as you suggested!
It is clear that the conflicting claims of hermetic sealing and the compressor engines which he both adheres to has put him in a a state of cognitive dissonance aka madness. There is nothing in the plagiarized statement of Wiernik or others to suggest outflow pipes or regulators or anything. Anything is an addition, a cognitive construct by flipper himself. Checkmate.
His reaction will be in a chess game that he was playing under the board and not the normal game. He will then ask where all the chess pieces went.
The actuality is that Wiernik copied older testimonies of the lobstering and smothering where there was sealing; he thought he could adapt his lie to gassing via motor but this was his total undoing. As we know 9 tonne of pressure on the roof would not be great.
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Nessie » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:12 am

Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:16 am
Yep, in Nessie's universe, "hermetically sealed" doesn't actually mean, "hermetically sealed".
No, wrong way round. In my universe a hermetically room sealed means hermetically sealed. In your universe, hermetically sealed includes pipes that allow gas to flow in and/or our of the room, so not actually hermetically sealed at all.
Got a problem with pressure? Not in Nessie's universe. He simply invents another "outlet pipe" while the vents remain sealed. In Nessie's universe, the little boy DID ride his tricycle to the moon.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
It is hardly an invention when witnesses refer to pipes. Keep the room sealed, except the pipes and to stop pressure building, allow gas to flow and have an outlet pipe furthest from the engine. I am quite sure German engineers could work that one out.

In your universe the Germans are stupid and the gas chambers would explode!
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by DasPrussian » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Turnagain wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:46 am
No, I don't think that DP has demonstrated that the gas/vacuum chambers were not hermetically sealed but I agree, if he can manage that feat, then he proves that all of the eyewitnesses who claimed that the gas/vacuum chambers were hermetically sealed are liars. If this were chess, DP would be in a fork. He loses no matter which way the debate goes.
So, Turnagain is supplied with evidence that there were vents in the roof of the gas chamber , but in true denier style he just hand waves it away, without producing any credible explanation. He didnt even comment on the testimony of Shimon Goldberg or Eli Rosenberg who made it absolutely clear that there were holes/apertures/vents in the roof.

Jurowskis drawing which clearly shows a 50cm * 50cm vent in the ceiling is not accepted by him because he was not a direct witness, yet he based the drawing on direct witnesses reports. He even writes on the drawing that the vents were there for the purpose of taking the gas away , but this still isnt good enough for Turnagain.

So lets give him another witness, this time Abraham Goldfarb - who actually took part in the construction of the gas chambers . This is what he told Jurowski :

"In each chamber there is one opening in the ceiling. And it is covered by a net."

"For removal of the gas from the chamber there was a separate opening in the roof."

And lets throw in Turnagains favourite witness Yankel Wiernik :


"A gas chamber measured 5 × 5 meters and was about 1.90 meters high. The outlet on the roof had a hermetic cap."

All this is concrete evidence that the gas chambers were not hermetically sealed, even Been There accepts it , yet Turnagain just puts his hand over his ears and closes his eyes. This has got to go down as one of the most blatant acts of denialism ever witnessed on this forum. What an absolute disgrace.
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by DasPrussian » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:37 pm

been-there wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:30 am
Turnagain wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:31 am
Das Prussian wrote:
End of the day, I have demonstrated the gas chamber was not hermetically sealed. Deal with it.
End of the day, you have demonstrated jack squat, DP. Deal with it. nowotimean?
No, to give him his due Turnagain, if he has “demonstrated the gas chamber was not hermetically sealed” (which revisionism already posited, as it would have made the process of pumping exhaust into a building over many months structurally impossible) then he has NOT demonstrated jack squat.
He has demonstrated that the many, many people who claimed to be 'eye-witnesses' and who stated that “gas chambers were hermetically sealed” all lied!
Typical breakdown in the logic and rationale department from the King of the Cranks. He can't even work out the likely reason why witnesses would believe the rooms were hermetically sealed . Instead he believes they were deliberately lying !!! :roll: :roll: Why anyone would deliberately lie about such a thing only BT would know. I mean, how essential is it to the trial or investigation that the witnesses felt the need to lie about the room being hermetically sealed !!! They already told the court that the doors were hermetically sealed so why would it be a deliberate lie to then say the whole room was hermetically sealed !!! It doesnt even make any sense .

Just for the benefit of BT, as I have informed the other dopes, the witnesses mentioned the room was hermetically sealed most likely because they saw the doors were hermetically sealed, and assumed the room would be too. A fair and reasonable assumption to make on their part, yes ?
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:37 pm

Turnagain wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:16 am
Yep, in Nessie's universe, "hermetically sealed" doesn't actually mean, "hermetically sealed". Got a problem with pressure? Not in Nessie's universe. He simply invents another "outlet pipe" while the vents remain sealed. In Nessie's universe, the little boy DID ride his tricycle to the moon.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
You're making no sense whatsoever.

Can you actually provide any sources to support your claims about the structure of a gas chamber? at Treblinka?

You seem to be desperately hanging onto your beliefs with ignorance and incredulity.

Don't forget your usual "eeevul Narzis" response.
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by been-there » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:32 pm

DasPrussian wrote:
Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:37 pm
been-there wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:30 am
Turnagain wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:31 am
Das Prussian wrote:
End of the day, I have demonstrated the gas chamber was not hermetically sealed. Deal with it.
End of the day, you have demonstrated jack squat, DP. Deal with it. nowotimean?
No, to give him his due Turnagain, if he has “demonstrated the gas chamber was not hermetically sealed” (which revisionism already posited, as it would have made the process of pumping exhaust into a building over many months structurally impossible) then he has NOT demonstrated jack squat.
He has demonstrated that the many, many people who claimed to be 'eye-witnesses' and who stated that “gas chambers were hermetically sealed” all lied! :ugeek:
Typical breakdown in the logic and rationale department from the King of the Cranks. He can't even work out the likely reason why witnesses would believe the rooms were hermetically sealed . Instead he believes they were deliberately lying !!! :roll: :roll: Why anyone would deliberately lie about such a thing only BT would know. I mean, how essential is it to the trial or investigation that the witnesses felt the need to lie about the room being hermetically sealed !!! They already told the court that the doors were hermetically sealed so why would it be a deliberate lie to then say the whole room was hermetically sealed !!! It doesnt even make any sense .

Just for the benefit of BT, as I have informed the other dopes, the witnesses mentioned the room was hermetically sealed most likely because they saw the doors were hermetically sealed, and assumed the room would be too. A fair and reasonable assumption to make on their part, yes ?
No. A fairer and more reasonable assumption to make would be that they never saw a homicidal gas chamber.

A fairer and more reasonable assumption to make would be that they made up lies that out of their ignorance they didn't know were obviously impractical and/or impossible.
Lies, that — together with the lack of disturbed earth, for their lies of hundreds of thousands of jews buried in mass-graves; and their lies about mass-murder weapons of diesel exhaust; and coerced confessions of captured non-existent tank and uboat engines; and their lies about the gassed victims displaying biologically improbable discolourisations — all converges. Taken together, these lies point to the more credible convergence-of-evidence conclusion: viz. that the obvious occam's-razor conclusion is that the mass-gassing allegation and eye-witness testimony is a gigantic lie.

The hermetically sealed chambers is just one small but obvious part of a tissue of anti-German — and therefore RACIST — LIES!!!

There. Do you understand now? :)


And as for this:
DP wrote “Why anyone would deliberately lie about such a thing?”
:lol:
Oh boy! :? :roll:
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Re: Hermetically sealed gas chambers ?

Post by Turnagain » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:47 pm

Huntinger wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:20 pm
Abe Kon, a former Treblinka prisoner, stated on
August 17, 1944:
The cabins had two doors, which could be sealed hermetically. In the corner between ceiling
and wall two openings were connected with hoses. Behind the ‘bath’ stood
a machine. It pumped the air out of the chambers. The people suffocated
within 6 to 15 minutes.
Kazmierz Skarzyński
“Incarcerated Jews in the camp reported that many hundreds of prisoners
at a time were penned in hermetically sealed chambers and were asphyxiated
by pumping out the air. The people died very quickly
Vassili Grossmann
The second most commonly used procedure in Treblinka was to pump
the air out of the chambers with the help of special suction equipment – the
causes of death were approximately similar to those in the poisoning with
carbon monoxide gas: the oxygen supply for the people was blocked. And,
finally, the third method, rarer but likewise employed, the murdering by
steam, which was also based on denying oxygen to the organism: the steam
forced the air out of the room. Various toxic gases were also used, but
merely for experimental purposes
; the factory-scale mass murder was carried
out in the manner described in the first two procedures mentioned
Alexander Donat
“The motor, installed in a workshop near the bathhouse, could be started
now. First, a suction pump was brought into play to draw the pure air
from the chamber. After that, the pipe to the reservoir of exhaust gas from
the motor could be opened.
Donat mentioned Dr. Horonschitzki
These cabins were
hermetically sealed. In the first period, the killing occurred by means of
pumping out the air from the cabins; then one resorted to other methods –
poisoning by chlorine gas and Cylon-gas.
Nessie wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:43 pm
Wiernik also described pipes. not just a pipe. But even one pipe that allows gas in, means the chamber itself cannot be considered hermetically sealed.
Now, stop dodging and explain how a room that has a pipe/pipes into it that allow gas in/out and to circulate can be considered hermetically sealed.
It would appear the poster above knows little about hermetic sealing.A hermetic seal is any type of sealing that makes a given object airtight. As gases were alleged to have entered through a pipe with a positive pressure the chamber is sealed as gases cannot escape, at least until the building exploded. There would be little point in having gas tight doors if the aim was not hermetic sealing of the alleged chamber.
Wiernik
The outlet on the roof
had a hermetic cap. The chamber was equipped with a gas pipe inlet and a
baked tile floor slanting towards the platform. The brick building which
housed the gas chambers was separated from Camp No. 1 by a wooden
wall. This wood wall and the brick wall of the building together formed a
corridor, which was 80 centimeters taller than the building. The chambers
were connected with the corridor by a hermetically fitted iron door leading
into each of the chambers.

This motor was used to pump the gas into the chambers by connecting the motor
with the inflow pipes.
Plus there's the testimony of Rosenberg, Bomba, Rajchman et al. but that's all swept under the rug. One of the advantages enjoyed by the hoaxers is that among all of the conflicting tales of the holyhoax, one can almost always find a "witness" to support even the most outlandish claims. Thus DP triumphantly shrieks, "Eureka, I have found someone who possibly claims that there were holes in the roof". Rosenberg's drawing of windows turns out to be hermetically sealed observation windows? Oopsies! We'll just sorta' forget about that. As for the rest of the witnesses, they just made a (heh-heh) little "mistake". They might have said the gas/vacuum chambers were hermetically sealed but they obviously just meant the doors, the vents, and the observation windows but what would they know? The question remains, "How do you pump the air out of a chamber if it isn't sealed" and "Why wouldn't that collapse a conventionally built brick building"?

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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