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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by rollo the ganger » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:16 am

To Mr. KnowItAll: Do you have something to contribute to this discussion?

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Nessie » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:08 pm

rollo the ganger wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:31 am
For one thing Nessie, no one is proposing a curriculum or class on "Revisionism" either in the schools. It would be appreciated if you would stick to the topic at hand and that is teaching the "Holocaust" in a public school and a Principal's truthful remark that "... not everyone believes in the Holocaust" and the severe negative consequences of making such a remark.
He said more than just that.
Let us see if you can make yourself useful Nessie. Since you apparently believe the "Holocaust" should be taught in these public schools then maybe you could give us a very brief, but inclusive outline on what the course curriculum should be?
I would leave teaching to teachers;

https://www.uws.ac.uk/research/research ... -scotland/
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by rollo the ganger » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:03 pm

I can see asking Nessie anything is an exercise in futility.

With the Holocaust we are seeing a return of blasphemy laws:

Point of View: Questioning the Holocaust is tantamount to denial

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/2 ... sfeed=true

The author, Mr. Robert Weinroth, is the Palm Beach County Commissioner for District 4.

Portion of the article (my emphasis):
... More recently, during its 2019 regular session, the Florida Legislature passed HB 741 (co-introduced by Rep. Randy Fine and Rep. Mike Caruso) with a unanimous vote, in both the Senate and House, addressing the issues of anti-Semitism. Governor Ron DeSantis signed the bill during his recent mission to Israel.

The bill prohibits discrimination on the basis of religion in the K-20 public school system. The bill requires public K-20 educational institutions to treat discrimination “by students or employees or resulting from institutional policies motivated by anti-Semitic intent in an identical manner to discrimination motivated by race.”


The bill also provides many examples of anti-Semitism, including accusing Jews as a people or the State of Israel of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

It is incomprehensible to have a high school principal declare his inability to state the Holocaust was a “factual historical event.” Even more troubling is his belief he is “not in a position to do so as a school district employee.”

His belief that he is unable to declare the Holocaust as a factual event cannot be tolerated as it has the potential of infiltrating the instructional staff under his supervision and, ultimately the students they teach.

This incident, and the ensuing conversations over the past year, calls into question the actions of the district’s upper ranks where a principal would not feel empowered to address this issue head-on.

Immediate and definitive corrective district-wide action needs to be undertaken to address the inability to differentiate fact from belief. Our community demands nothing less.

Questioning the Holocaust is tantamount to Holocaust denial. It is incomprehensible this could occur in Boca Raton!

The facts are clear: there were over 6 million Jewish victims of the Holocaust and another 5 million non-Jewish civilians were murdered during World War II in Europe.

ROBERT S. WEINROTH
You WILL believe!!! Believing otherwise is INTOLERABLE!!!

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Post by blake121666 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:01 pm

ROBERT S. WEINROTH wrote:The facts are clear: there were over 6 million Jewish victims of the Holocaust and another 5 million non-Jewish civilians were murdered during World War II in Europe.
Since when are these the "facts"?

This is the problem with the Holocaust. This man himself is obviously not competent to "teach" about it. Any teacher would be just as ignorant as he.

And it is quite easy to "deny" false things that are "taught".

Part of any synopsis of "the Holocaust" in school textbooks should be things that are misunderstood about "the Holocaust". I myself think this is the main engine for "denial" of it that I see - the ignorant misunderstandings of the general population about what it even can be said to have been.

For instance, the very first thing said about it should be that there are few to no pictures of anyone who was slaughtered in the alleged mass slaughtering operations. The Bergen Belsen pictures are NOT of persons slated to have been directly slaughtered. The slaughtering camps were an entirely different thing than the other camps. That alone should give people better focus about the matter and better inform the student than the vast majority of people who think they "know" what "the Holocaust" was.

The second thing stressed should be that there were very few persons who had any direct knowledge of the mass slaughters - so most "survivors" of "the Holocaust" were people with no direct knowledge of the slaughters alleged to have been done.

Students should be disabused about what most people think the alleged genocidal policy entailed. That should be the main focus of any study of "the Holocaust" - what it WAS NOT.
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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:28 pm

If they said that millions of civilians died in the conflict with a large number of alleged Jude then that would be fine, but this emphasis only on a single group of people at the expense of others is sickening.
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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by blake121666 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:36 pm

Huntinger wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:28 pm
If they said that millions of civilians died in the conflict with a large number of alleged Jude then that would be fine, but this emphasis only on a single group of people at the expense of others is sickening.
This is your idiotic conflation of the claims about "the Holocaust". It is claimed that the Germans implemented a policy of exterminating the Jews - specifically for being Jews. This is in distinction to most other "civilians [who] died in the conflict". The German plan was to make Europe free of Jews - and it is alleged to have become a direct mass slaughter of Jews for that end.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:43 pm

blake121666 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:36 pm
Huntinger wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:28 pm
If they said that millions of civilians died in the conflict with a large number of alleged Jude then that would be fine, but this emphasis only on a single group of people at the expense of others is sickening.
This is your idiotic conflation of the claims about "the Holocaust". It is claimed that the Germans implemented a policy of exterminating the Jews - specifically for being Jews. This is in distinction to most other "civilians [who] died in the conflict". The German plan was to make Europe free of Jews - and it is alleged to have become the direct mass slaughter of Jews for that end.
As mentioned previously the Russians have very little regard to the "jewish" holocaust due to about 30 million of their own citizens perishing. Many of their Jude died as well but as combatants, many more as Partizani. If it was stated in schools "it is alleged", then that might be another matter, but the discussion is that it is taught as fact. I would recommend strongly that if you disagree with someone refrain from name calling.
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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by blake121666 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:50 pm

Huntinger wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:43 pm
blake121666 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:36 pm
Huntinger wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:28 pm
If they said that millions of civilians died in the conflict with a large number of alleged Jude then that would be fine, but this emphasis only on a single group of people at the expense of others is sickening.
This is your idiotic conflation of the claims about "the Holocaust". It is claimed that the Germans implemented a policy of exterminating the Jews - specifically for being Jews. This is in distinction to most other "civilians [who] died in the conflict". The German plan was to make Europe free of Jews - and it is alleged to have become the direct mass slaughter of Jews for that end.
As mentioned previously the Russians have very little regard to the "jewish" holocaust due to about 30 million of their own citizens perishing. Many of their Jude died as well but as combatants, many more as Partizani. If it was stated in schools "it is alleged", then that might be another matter, but the discussion is that it is taught as fact. I would recommend strongly that if you disagree with someone refrain from name calling.
There was no "name calling".

The Soviets (not "the Russians") had little regard for any distinctions among their populations - other than those that fit within their socialist worldview. The concept of being Jewish didn't fit well within their ideology. They preferred to see themselves as being victims and overlook any "Jewish" victimology. It's not even clear to me that any Soviet was even allowed to be "Jewish". They preferred to view their citizenry as blank slate deracinated cogs in their socialist machinery.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by rollo the ganger » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:06 pm

Being Black didn't help the Principal. He got the boot:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-p ... st-factual

Florida Principal Removed After Refusing to Call Holocaust 'Factual'

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Turnagain » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:46 pm

Rollo the ganger wrote:
Florida Principal Removed After Refusing to Call Holocaust 'Factual'
He got reassigned for not mandating holyhoax indoctrination for all of the students. They're trying to spin this as him being a holyhoax "denier". You WILL believe.

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