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You WILL believe!

Post by rollo the ganger » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:42 am

Article in the NEWS today:

Principal apologizes for telling parent, 'Not everyone believes the Holocaust happened'

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/principa ... 29886.html

You can teach it but you can't properly research it, or express doubt, or question its tenets.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Nessie » Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:46 pm

rollo the ganger wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:42 am
Article in the NEWS today:

Principal apologizes for telling parent, 'Not everyone believes the Holocaust happened'

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/principa ... 29886.html

You can teach it but you can't properly research it...
Well, deniers are unable to properly research the Holocaust. Few have the skills and those who appear to are sadly very closed minded and want there to have been no Holocaust.
... or express doubt...
There is a lot about the Holocaust over which there is doubt. The death toll at each AR camp, exactly how the gas chambers worked, to what extent various individuals were aware of what was happening for a start. Actual historians, like deniers disagree about numerous issues.
... or question its tenets.
This is where deniers get stuck. To claim there was no gassing requires evidence to back that claim up. Denial is not exempt from evidencing its beliefs. Some deniers like to pretend they are defence lawyers and the Holocaust is on trial, so all they need to do is cast doubt and then they can claim no Holocaust.

History is not researched or evidenced that way. The historical method of evidencing what took place is how history should be investigated.

https://www.history.ox.ac.uk/historical-methods

There were trials regarding various people's involvement in the various crimes that are a major part of Holocaust. But they were to establish criminality, they were not an investigation of what happened.

Denial should evidence any and all claims made, or accept it cannot and that the belief of no Holocaust is driven by motives other than evidencing and proof. Deniers should stop reversing the burden of proof and make claims, such as no gassing at Birkenau and then demand to be proved wrong. Deniers also need to learn the difference between evidence and their fallacious arguments from incredulity and ignorance. Not knowing exactly how a mass pyre worked and thinking it incredible, is not the same as evidencing there were never any mass pyres.

There are plenty of countries where it is legal to question the basic tenets of the Holocaust. Just expect to be challenged, since the Holocaust is evidenced and denial cannot excuse itself from having to evidence its claims.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by rollo the ganger » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:49 pm

Nessie wrote:Well, deniers are unable to properly research the Holocaust.
Indeed! And should any scholar even try they'll meet the same fate as Norman Finkelstein.
Nessie wrote:There is a lot about the Holocaust over which there is doubt.
Only amongst the deniers. If there is doubt amongst the believers that doubt has definite restrictions and bounds they can pursue.
Nessie wrote:Some deniers like to pretend they are defence lawyers and the Holocaust is on trial, so all they need to do is cast doubt and then they can claim no Holocaust.
Zundel's lawyer, Doug Christie, did a good job at making Hilberg look like a real ass in the first Zundel trial. He made him look like such an ass he
refused to attend the second.
Nessie wrote:There are plenty of countries where it is legal to question the basic tenets of the Holocaust. Just expect to be challenged...
Sure... challenged... like getting the boot at any University you may be working for or be labeled an... omg... anti-semite!!!
Or have your house or place of business bombed like Zundel and others, not to mention being put on trial for questioning the tenets of the holocaust or get mugged like Faurisson.

Who are you kidding Nessie?

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Turnagain » Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:22 pm

Nessie is very aware that he can't argue for the holyhoax on the merits of what the alleged eyewitnesses claim. That's a loser from the git-go.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet that the the school principal will lose his position for such intemperate speech. He might have gotten by with saying, "Some anti-semites and the mentally ill claim the holocaust didn't happen" but, "Not everyone believes..." lends to much credence to holyhoax revisionists. I don't think that he can apologize sufficiently to avoid being sacked. Examples must be made.

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Post by rollo the ganger » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:59 pm

It's almost a certainty that Principal will lose his position. He'll probably be blacklisted also. Nessie is quite correct:
Nessie wrote:Well, deniers are unable to properly research the Holocaust.
No academic would dare try if they want to keep their jobs.

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Post by Turnagain » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:12 pm

Is this the guy you're writing about, Rollo? https://files.catbox.moe/v5jg6j.png Negroes do get special consideration in the current PC world so I have to hedge my bet on whether he will get fired. Him getting fired is a possibility but it's no longer a foregone conclusion. I just made an assumption that the "perpetrator" was a White man. Him getting a "severe reprimand" is one thing but getting fired is a whole 'nother ball game.

Edit.
Yep, just read your link more closely. It's Latson from Boca Raton. He visited the USHMM in DC and crawfished on what he had previously said so he's good to go. The Jews can't be seen to be coming down on the black folks especially if they publicly mend their ways. It's not as if they can accuse him of being some White anti-semitic, swastika waving, Hitler-worshipping Naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
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Post by rollo the ganger » Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:23 pm

Turnagain, I was under the same assumption he was a white guy. What do they call them? A "Shvuggee"?!!! You're right. That does change things. Hmmmm? I'll have to think about this.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Nessie » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:13 am

rollo the ganger wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:59 pm
It's almost a certainty that Principal will lose his position. He'll probably be blacklisted also. Nessie is quite correct:
Nessie wrote:Well, deniers are unable to properly research the Holocaust.
No academic would dare try if they want to keep their jobs.
You are missing the point. But that is hardly surprising since all deniers miss the point.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Nessie » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:14 am

Turnagain wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:30 pm
Nessie wrote:
Denial tries to pass off reversing the burden of proof and arguments from incredulity as evidence and proof.
Uh-huh, asking the hoaxers to prove their claims of mass murder is "reversing the burden of proof". According to Nessie, we should all accept the premise of, "If it happened, it was possible", therefore all claims by the alleged eyewitnesses should be taken as gospel truth. Questioning any aspect of the holyhoax then becomes an "argument from incredulity". You betcha', Nessie, who could question such flawless logic?
Yet another denier who does not understand the problem with denial.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: You WILL believe!

Post by Huntinger » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:16 am

Nessie wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:14 am
Turnagain wrote:
Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:30 pm
Nessie wrote:
Denial tries to pass off reversing the burden of proof and arguments from incredulity as evidence and proof.
Uh-huh, asking the hoaxers to prove their claims of mass murder is "reversing the burden of proof". According to Nessie, we should all accept the premise of, "If it happened, it was possible", therefore all claims by the alleged eyewitnesses should be taken as gospel truth. Questioning any aspect of the holyhoax then becomes an "argument from incredulity". You betcha', Nessie, who could question such flawless logic?
Yet another denier who does not understand the problem with denial.
How does your comment add to the discussion in anyway. Get back to the Loch and eat some Kelp or trout.

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