Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:47 pm

We are not talking about ovens. There is no mention of caskets. Treblinka and the magic BBQ is being discussed. It would seem you fail to understand the thread.
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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:00 pm

For Nessies magic Jude BBQ to work, the average amount of fat, lard, dripping would need to be >27.9 tonne per person to make up the 900Mj calculation here
Granted this is for a full cremation.
If we were to look at the Hindu wood pyres where wood and not fat were used. Red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram. Assuming the average person needs 900Mj for full cremation then 60.4 kg of wood should do the trick but outside pyres are terribly inneficient. Open fires are typically 20% efficient so the Hindus could get away with using 302kg of red oak which probably does not grow by the Ghanges. Bamboo wood is often used in Hindu cremations with about 600kg used. Hardwoods such as oak have twice as much energy density than softer woods which accounts for the difference exactly.
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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by blake121666 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:00 pm

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:47 pm
We are not talking about ovens. There is no mention of caskets. Treblinka and the magic BBQ is being discussed. It would seem you fail to understand the thread.
The energy calculation is the same.

Here is info on air curtain incineration of carcasses:

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Notice that the solid fuel used is 1-2 times the weight of the carcass plus a small amount of liquid fuel. There is no 1300 times the weight of the carcass evident in this. What is your 1300 times?

EDIT: I just saw your second post - 28 tons per corpse! You seem to have no ability to sanity-test your claims.
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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 pm

blake121666 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:00 pm
Notice that the solid fuel used is 1-2 times the weight of the carcass plus a small amount of liquid fuel. There is no 1300 times the weight of the carcass evident in this. What is your 1300 times?
We are talking about energy in the fat content of a human and comparing it to what is needed. That is of a huge difference.
Who on earth is talking about "air curtains". It would seem you are discussing something quite different to the open pyres.
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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by blake121666 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:04 pm

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 pm
blake121666 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:00 pm
Huntinger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:47 pm
We are not talking about ovens. There is no mention of caskets. Treblinka and the magic BBQ is being discussed. It would seem you fail to understand the thread.
The energy calculation is the same.

Here is info on air curtain incineration of carcasses:

Image

Notice that the solid fuel used is 1-2 times the weight of the carcass plus a small amount of liquid fuel. There is no 1300 times the weight of the carcass evident in this. What is your 1300 times?
We are talking about energy in the fat content of a human and comparing it to what is needed. That is of a huge difference.
The combustibles content of a corpse has 2/3 the heat energy to cremate that corpse (about 1/2 of that in fat). In this case that heat energy would be applied to corpses above it. There is no 1300 times anywhere. Sanity-test your crazy statements.

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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 pm

blake121666 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:04 pm
The combustibles content of a corpse has 2/3 the heat energy to cremate that corpse (about 1/2 of that in fat). There is no 1300 times anywhere. Sanity-test your crazy statements.
This may be the case but we are talking about the fat only. One cannot change the heat content of fat no matter how hard you may wish. You seems to be claiming that a human corpse can produce 600Mj of energy? red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram, so you are claiming each person can produce as much heat energy as 40.3kg of red Oak..quite amazing Blake, quite amazing.
Consider a 68kg person has 41kg of water, which leaves 27 kg of combustible material including fats and proteins etc. You are telling the forum that 27 kg of human flesh has the same energy content as 40kg of hard wood. Amazing Blake Amazing. Frankly I think you are looking at the wrong sources of information. :roll:
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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by blake121666 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:18 pm

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:14 pm
blake121666 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:04 pm
The combustibles content of a corpse has 2/3 the heat energy to cremate that corpse (about 1/2 of that in fat). There is no 1300 times anywhere. Sanity-test your crazy statements.
This may be the case but we are talking about the fat only. One cannot change the heat content of fat no matter how hard you may wish. You seems to be claiming that a human corpse can produce 600Mj of energy? red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram, so you are claiming each person can produce as much heat energy as 40.3kg of red Oak..quite amazing Blake, quite amazing.
Consider a 68kg person has 41kg of water, which leaves 27 kg of combustible material including fats and proteins etc. You are telling the forum that 27 kg of human flesh has the same energy content as 40kg of hard wood. Amazing Blake Amazing. Frankly I think you are looking at the wrong sources of information. :roll:
I said a corpse has 1741 kcal/kg = 7.3 MJ/kg = less than half what you say for wood. You have messed up somewhere in your calculations.

EDIT:

Here is Mattogno's breakdown of corpse components on page 27:

15.6% carbon
2.1% hydrogen
6.9% oxygen
0.3% sulfur
5.1% nitrogen
65.0% water
5.0% ash

EDIT 2: And that is the net energy per kg - after evaporation. So probably about 8.5 MJ/kg or so.

EDIT 3: And using rolling eyes to someone telling you that a factor of 1300 times is insane proves that you ARE insane. I'll give you something for heat loss though. We could say a factor of 2 or maybe even 3 instead of 1.3. You are off by a factor of 1000 from this! You've simply screwed up in your calcualtion and figured kilocalories as calories. You are off by a factor of 1000.

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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:48 pm

Fat has an energy content of 32.2MJ/kg of fat. One source put this at kJ which is clearly wrong. Of course human fat is not pure lard.
Using the figure above if lard was used would still give a factor of about 18.
Simply the BBQ method and the floss method would not work.
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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by blake121666 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:56 pm

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:48 pm
Fat has an energy content of 32.2MJ/kg of fat. One source put this at kJ which is clearly wrong. Of course human fat is not pure lard.
Using the figure above if lard was used would still give a factor of about 18.
Simply the BBQ method and the floss method would not work.
Well I'm using about 8.5 Mj/kg for the whole corpse. People in the cremation industry imply a recuperation of about 7.3 MJ/kg after the main combustion.

A corpse varies alot but usable numbers would be 15.3% proteins and 14% fat.

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Re: Refusing to accept that Eric Hunt disavowed his video about Treblinka

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:05 pm

blake121666 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:56 pm
Huntinger wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:48 pm
Fat has an energy content of 32.2MJ/kg of fat. One source put this at kJ which is clearly wrong. Of course human fat is not pure lard.
Using the figure above if lard was used would still give a factor of about 18.
Simply the BBQ method and the floss method would not work.
Well I'm using about 8.5 Mj/kg for the whole corpse. People in the cremation industry imply a recuperation of about 7.3 MJ/kg after the main combustion.

A corpse varies alot but usable numbers would be 15.3% proteins and 14% fat.
Thank you this is very useful information. Probably a great rule of the thumb figure. I think the Hindus got their figures of the amount of wood necessary from trial and error. Most likely they used volume as well instead of mass.
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