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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:26 pm

rollo the ganger wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:55 am
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This photo itself disproves the Treblinka narrative that people were killed, buried, exhumed and burned to ashes. So... if you want proof that Treblinka wasn't the death camp they say it was... well, here it is.
Not at all.
To incinerate bodies, there were large cremation pits constructed at Camp 3 within Treblinka II.[m] The burning pyres were used to cremate the new corpses along with the old ones, which had to be dug up as they had been buried during the first six months of the camp's operation. Built under the instructions of Herbert Floß, the camp's cremation expert, the pits consisted of railroad rails laid as grates on blocks of concrete. The bodies were placed on rails over wood, splashed with petrol, and burned. It was a harrowing sight, according to Jankiel Wiernik, with the bellies of pregnant women exploding from boiling amniotic fluid. He wrote that "the heat radiating from the pits was maddening." The bodies burned for five hours, without the ashing of bones. The pyres operated 24 hours a day. Once the system had been perfected, 10,000–12,000 bodies at a time could be incinerated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka ... ation_pits

Source given is: Gitta Sereny, Into That Darkness: From Mercy Killing to Mass Murder, page 151.
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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by been-there » Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:43 pm

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:16 pm
Of course there is empirical evidence that the Holocaust. As Gord McFee stated in an essay: [...blah, blah, blah...]...
You dodged every one of my numbered questions.
Instead of repeating the refrain that anyone who questions the compulsory narrative is somehow
some kind of wicked (_____________ad hominem epithet here), try answering the title of this topic thread.

What empirical evidence do you have for there genuinely having been the mass-murder, burial, disinternment, open-air cremation then reburial of 700,000 to 900,000 Jews at Treblinka?
Please detail whatever empirical evidence you know of here, with verifiable references.
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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by been-there » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:35 pm

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:16 pm
been-there wrote:
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That is the logical fallacy called 'begging the question'. Just repeatedly claiming something occurred does not make it so. Saying the same thing repeatedly does not make it more correct.
Instead think it through for yourself.
Obviously as 65 to 85 million people are estimated to have perished during WW2 and as approximately 63% of them were civilian non-combatants, thus the four million Jews who are alleged to have been killed in Operation Reinhardt would be a relatively small number of that total. That's common sense.
Its not something that we are taught, or constantly reminded of, but do the arithmetic yourself and apply your intellect to it honestly.
Try and think it through by yourself, without succumbing to the programming that we have all been conditioned to apply.

Try and follow what has already been explained to you.
There is no conclusive empirical evidence supporting the Allied and Jewish accusation of a planned and executed genocide of Jews via mass-gassing in extermination camps. An explanation for this lack is that this narrative was an atrocity-propaganda devised to convince the world and the defeated Axis nations that they had been party to a monstrous crime which all decent people should be horrified by and deeply ashamed of. It was a psy-op deceit that justified the Allied nations' own deliberate targeting and mass-murder of civilians for having the 'wrong' ethnicity, and was used to discredit the NSDAP and thus prevent a prolonging or reawakening of the conflict. The hostilities and resentments didn't completely end in May 1945. Conflict continued in Greece and elsewhere.
There was a fear of prolonged guerilla warfare and a resurgence of NSDAP loyalty. To combat the potential for that, German patriots and ex-soldiers were demonised in the public imagination worldwide as 'evil Nazis'. We have ALL been subjected to this indoctrination programme for decades. We continue to be subjected to that mental manipulation. You are still in the grip of that conditioning. Try to recognise that and release yourself from it, by looking at the known facts with a rigorously honest approach.

Read critically what the confessing perpetrators actually admitted to. They "admitted" to physical impossibilities. They were tortured. They made false testimony to protect themselves and their families. Those who denied the allegations were killed or were found 'dead from suicide' in their cells.
Q1. were you aware of this?
Coerced testimony is not reliable. Q2. Do you agree?

Any 'history' that does not permit investigation, critical analysis, or revision of its salient axioms is not a history at all. It is a belief-system.
Any history that sanctifies its 'survivors' and demonises the alleged perpetrators in the way that the Jewish 'holocaust' true-believers do, is more of a quasi-religion than a history.
The fact that so many survivor stories contain obvious ridiculous and physically impossible elements yet the mass-media repeat them to us and no-one dares to expose their ridiculousness is a further sign of the quasi-religious status of this ‘history’.

Three graves, some yellow tiles and a wall foundation?!?! :o
Do you genuinely believe that these archeological findings are “evidence that Treblinka was a death camp”??? :?
The findings are more evidence that mass murder happened at Treblinka.
Your replies demonstrate that you haven't read both sides of the debate. So your user-name is a misnomer. You not only clearly do not know it all, but appear to be uninterested in knowing it all. Do a search of the Mel Mermstein and Fred Leuchter incidents from the revisionist perspective. If you immediately feel inclined to not do that but refuse, then understand this shows you have a closed mind.
Q4. Please do show us the empirical evidence for the mass-gassings allegation, of the numbers claimed, at the sites claimed. What have you got?
I'll do that when you show me where all these people are "waking up". It seems to me that the idea the Holocaust was a hoax is only believed by a handful of deniers posting on an internet forum, so much for the numbers of people waking up...
Reading only one side of a debate, and ridiculing anything that refutes or questions that, by casting juvenile insults and false ad hominem accusations is not a logical way to investigate a topic.
It didn't take me long to find antisemitism on this forum. Why else would one deny the Holocaust? :| There is always an agenda.

[quoteHonest, open-minded, critical investigation without any a priori bias is not 'adhering' to anything. You are again demonstrating that you haven't yet done any research into the revisionist argument, and that you are as yet unequipped to, due to being unconsciously in the grip of an unevidenced mass-delusion. The remedy is to temporarily lay aside any belief at all, and to just look at the irrefutable facts without bias or prejudice. Good luck should you attempt to do that. Most people are not capable of it.
Which "irrefutable facts"?
Do some research. Familiarise yourself with the actual argument. Resist the conditioning you have to apply the defence-mechanism of disregarding it as 'denier', 'neo-Nazi' 'anti-semitism'.
As I just explained facts are just facts. There are no 'neo-Nazi' facts, nor any ' 'anti-semitic' facts.
So just look at the known facts honestly and with no pre-conceptions.
I'm interested in the 'facts' you speak of so often of in your posts. What are those facts?
On Treblinka, here at RODOH you could start here: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3067.
Or do a search using the RODOH forum's search engine.

Or for much greater detail, go here: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf
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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by blake121666 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:41 pm

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:31 am

What is racist and anti-German about accepting that the Holocaust happened? :? That's just Nazi apologist crap, trying to somehow deny that the Germans were capable of such monstrous crimes - despite the fact that they admitted doing it.

Would it be racist and anti-Ukrainian to accept the Holodomor happened? Would it be racist and anti-Armenian to accept that the Armenian genocide happened? "No" to both questions.

How is it pseudo-historical? The evidence available suggests those estimates.
You appear to have confused the argument. It actually is argued by some people that the Holodomor is anti-Soviet propaganda and the Armenian genocide is anti-Turk propaganda.
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Not at all. There have only been a limited amount of studies carried out, not a thorough study. Colls recent findings provided evidence that
three graves, yellow tiles stamped with a pierced mullet star resembling the Star of David and building foundations with a wall. So, on the contrary to what denies are claiming about the study, Colls has actually provided more evidence that Treblinka was a death camp.
The "pierced mullet star resembling the Star of David" was on the mortar side of the tiles. No one would see it after installation. :lol:

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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by blake121666 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:10 pm

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:26 pm
rollo the ganger wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:55 am
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This photo itself disproves the Treblinka narrative that people were killed, buried, exhumed and burned to ashes. So... if you want proof that Treblinka wasn't the death camp they say it was... well, here it is.
Not at all.
To incinerate bodies, there were large cremation pits constructed at Camp 3 within Treblinka II.[m] The burning pyres were used to cremate the new corpses along with the old ones, which had to be dug up as they had been buried during the first six months of the camp's operation. Built under the instructions of Herbert Floß, the camp's cremation expert, the pits consisted of railroad rails laid as grates on blocks of concrete. The bodies were placed on rails over wood, splashed with petrol, and burned. It was a harrowing sight, according to Jankiel Wiernik, with the bellies of pregnant women exploding from boiling amniotic fluid. He wrote that "the heat radiating from the pits was maddening." The bodies burned for five hours, without the ashing of bones. The pyres operated 24 hours a day. Once the system had been perfected, 10,000–12,000 bodies at a time could be incinerated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka ... ation_pits

Source given is: Gitta Sereny, Into That Darkness: From Mercy Killing to Mass Murder, page 151.
You responded to a picture of bones which were obviously not burned with a statement that cremation pits were implemented. What does that have to do with the picture of bones which were not burned? :?:

Explain the bones in the picture. Are they human bones? They don't look like human bones to me. So this picture has nothing to do with the alleged T2 exterminations.

Whoever brings up this picture needs to say what this is a picture of - and where, exactly.

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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by quietus » Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:23 pm

blake121666 wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:10 pm
You responded to a picture of bones which were obviously not burned with a statement that cremation pits were implemented. What does that have to do with the picture of bones which were not burned? :?:
Nothing, the photo is for emotional impact.
Explain the bones in the picture. Are they human bones? They don't look like human bones to me. So this picture has nothing to do with the alleged T2 exterminations.
Could also be anywhere, any place, any time. No evidence. Post found it on some web site. Means nothing at all. Nothing to suggest mass executions just one body at best.
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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:05 am

blake121666 wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:41 pm
You appear to have confused the argument. It actually is argued by some people that the Holodomor is anti-Soviet propaganda and the Armenian genocide is anti-Turk propaganda.
Accepting the reality of any genocide is not "propaganda", no matter how many times deniers like to claim it is.
The "pierced mullet star resembling the Star of David" was on the mortar side of the tiles. No one would see it after installation. :lol:

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Take your problems with the findings out with Colls. The facts show that her short study (it was brief) discovered more evidence of mass murder at Treblinka.
"It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism."

- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:15 am

been-there wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:35 pm
On Treblinka, here at RODOH you could start here: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3067.
Or do a search using the RODOH forum's search engine.

Or for much greater detail, go here: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf
I'm still not reading any evidence of where the Jews ended up after being sent to Treblinka or any evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp.

Carlo Mattogno Jurgen Graf are not reliable in the slightest.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... linka.html

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... no-to.html

So, what is your position on Treblinka? What was the purpose of the camp? Do you believe that it was a transit camp? If you do, provide evidence where the thousands of Jews who were sent there ended up if they were not killed at Treblinka.
"It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism."

- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by Turnagain » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:53 am

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
I'm still not reading any evidence of where the Jews ended up after being sent to Treblinka or any evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp.
You have it arse to front, KnowItAll. Hoaxers claim that ~850,000 people were gassed, buried, exhumed and cremated at Treblinka. It's up to you hoaxers to prove your accusation and you haven't done that. The alleged gas chambers, graves and the magic Jew barbeque have all been debunked and now you demand a travel itinerary for every Jew that was ever sent to Treblinka.

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: Evidence relating to Treblinka.

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:15 am

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:15 am
So, what is your position on Treblinka? What was the purpose of the camp? Do you believe that it was a transit camp? If you do, provide evidence where the thousands of Jews who were sent there ended up if they were not killed at Treblinka.
I find it interesting that Stephen P comes on here and asks the identical question elsewhere at the same time as knowitall appears; there is a correlation is all I am saying. Knowitall is well aware we all think it was a transit facility and not so much a camp then asks the same Nessie question of "where did they go." A newbie could be forgiven for asking the same old questions but this person claims, well to knowitall; the questions are a deliberate attempt to stall this forum as those questions have been answered. It is also noticed the poster is not adding new material but just sending up the same junk unhashed as before to put everything back to zero one. This is a Nessie trick. This poster has no material to add but has an alterior motive than the deep introspection of historical events.
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