Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

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Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by Daniel » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:05 am

This is his latest Eleison Comment.
Number DCIII (603)

February 2, 2019
“Holocaustianity”

Patience, dear friends, the Truth can take its time
To refute a hollow cause, a real thought-crime.

Many Catholics seem to think that what is called the “Holocaust” has nothing to do with religion. They are very mistaken. Here are two (slightly edited) paragraphs from the handsome tribute paid to the late Professor Robert Faurisson by Jérôme Bourbon, brave editor of the excellent Paris weekly, Rivarol:—

Not only did Professor Faurisson by his research and famous phrase of 60 words threaten the ideological foundations of the world order issuing from World War II, but he also called in question the religion, or counter-religion, of “Holocaustianity.” It is a veritable religion, demanding respect and submission. Its false god requires a homage of adoration, a constant burning of incense before it, a flame to be lit like at Yad Vashem, flowers to be offered, and wailing to go up to Heaven, like at the pilgrimages and processions to Auschwitz and elsewhere, while people must beat their breast, crying out “Never again.”

“Holocaustianity,” taught from primary school to the end of one’s days, by television, cinema and every form of entertainment, does in fact ape all features of the Catholic religion. It has its martyrs (the Six Million), its Saints (Elie Wiesel, Anne Frank), its miracles (“Holocaust” survivors), its stigmatists (tattooed camp-inmates), its pilgrimages (to Auschwitz, etc.), its temples and cathedrals (“Holocaust” museums and memorials), its alms-giving to obtain pardon (never-ending reparation payments to Israel and to “Holocaust” survivors), its relics (camp inmates’ teeth, hair, shoes, etc.), its lives of the Saints (books by Elie Wiesel, Anne Frank, etc.), its torture chambers (gas-chambers), its Gospel (the verdict of the post-war Nuremberg military tribunal), its High Priests and Pontiffs (Simon Wiesenthal), its Inquisition (anti-Revisionist civil law-courts), its laws against blasphemy (strictly forbidding any questioning of the “Holocaust”), its Holy City (modern Jerusalem), its preachers and guardians (all instructors and associations in politics, the media, religion, trade unions, sports and economics), its religious Congregations (World Jewish Congress, B’nai B’rith, AIPAC, etc., etc.), its Hell (for all nationalists – except Israelis! –, all revisionists, all believers in the deicide and in the New Testament replacing the Old, etc.), and its faithful (almost all of mankind).

However, not only does “Holocaustianity” ape Christianity, it also turns it inside out: instead of love, hate; instead of truth, lies; instead of forgiveness, Talmudic vengeance; instead of respect for elders, the hunting down of aged camp-guards; instead of the spirit of poverty, the pursuit of reparation payments; instead of humility, the drive to dominate; instead of sharing, the pursuit of personal gain, instead of charity, blackmail: instead of respect for others, lynching: instead of quiet and discretion, publicity and noisy accusations in the media; instead of the boundless justice of God, the brazen injustice of conquerors setting themselves up as judges of the conquered, and so on and so on.

So here is a sonnet to honour what Prof. Faurisson did to get this monkey off of mankind’s back:—

“The Truth is mighty, and will prevail,” they said.
“Oh no!” one race replied, “the Truth we make –
“We are the Master Race, of all men head,
Our truth is what inferiors have to take!”
And thus a whole mythology arose
From how this race remoulded two World Wars.
On weak minds horror chambers they impose
To fake a god that everyone adores.
Yet one frail Frenchman braved the racist lies –
“Picture us one such genuine chamber – one!”
But pictures there were none to show. With cries
Of rage, the racists knew that Truth had won.
In God, Professor, you did not believe,
But you He used, all races to relieve.

Kyrie eleison.

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Re: Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by blake121666 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:52 am

“Picture us one such genuine chamber – one!”

Millions of rooms have been fumigated with Zyklon. Any humans in any one of those rooms during a fumigation would die from that fumigation. Handling the corpses from that would not be significantly more difficult than handling the carcasses of vermin exterminated from such a type fumigation - which has been done very many times.

Bishop Williamson is deluding himself with this sonnet about Faurisson's self-deceptions. Faurisson's "Show me or draw me a Nazi gas chamber" was crackpot ignorance on Faurisson's part. Faurisson had nothing but his crank misconceptions to not accept the alleged gas chambers as having been gas chambers. Bishop Williamson should be made aware of that. It seems that Bishop Williamson tilts at Faurrison's windmills with this sonnet. He should get a clue about Faurisson's delusions with this "Picture us one such genuine chamber – one!"
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Post by Huntinger » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:57 am

blake121666 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:52 am
Faurisson's "Show me or draw me a Nazi gas chamber" was crackpot ignorance on Faurisson's part. Faurisson had no valid reason to not accept the alleged gas chambers as having been gas chambers.
Seems to be a dearth of them. When one has to use morgues to fit a myth they are indeed in dire trouble. It is a shame the world believed them.
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Re: Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by blake121666 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:08 am

That Faurisson chose to interpret an emphatic "nicht explosiv" in NI-9912 as the opposite of what it emphatically stated shows the foolishness of taking any of Faurisson's argument's at face value. Faurisson believed whatever he dreamt up in his head regardless of what the real "truth" about something was. His "truth" was delusion. Bishop Williamson should avoid such imprudence and see the folly of Faurisson and those who propagated his bogus arguments decades past their sell-by date. He promulgated those debunked arguments for decades past their debunking (which appears to have been not long after he initially proposed them).

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Re: Bishop Richard Williamson on Holocaustianity, Robert Faurisson and Jérôme Bourbon

Post by Huntinger » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:19 am

blake121666 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:08 am
That Faurisson chose to interpret an emphatic "nicht explosiv" in NI-9912 as the opposite of what it emphatically stated shows the foolishness of taking any of Faurisson's argument's at face value. Faurisson believed whatever he dreamt up in his head regardless of what the real "truth" about something was. His "truth" was delusion. Bishop Williamson should avoid such imprudence and see the folly of Faurisson.
I can't see how discussing poetry adds or takesaway anything from the discussion of the H. Perhaps it is your opinions that are delusional? Perhaps Mr Faurisson was correct. People may find the following account of the treatment of Bishop Williamson interesting. The following video has of course been posted before but may help to get interested readers up to speed.
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Post by blake121666 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:23 am

Bishop Williamson doesn't realize that Faurisson and his fans believing something does not make it true - no matter how many times the fools repeat it to brainwash themselves and others. The poor man applies his skepticism one-sidedly it appears.

If he were really serious about what he believes to be "true" about the Holocaust, he should debate it with persons accustomed to his easily debunked contentions in the subject. He trusts fools by trusting Faurisson's quack opinions.

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Post by Huntinger » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:42 am

blake121666 wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:23 am
Bishop Williamson doesn't realize that Faurisson and his fans believing something does not make it true - no matter how many times the fools repeat it to brainwash themselves and others. The poor man applies his skepticism one-sidedly it appears.

If he were really serious about what he believes to be "true" about the Holocaust, he should debate it with persons accustomed to his easily debunked contentions in the subject. He trusts fools by trusting Faurisson's quack opinions.
As certain as you are of "debunking" this may be true but not of the veracity or the depth to be believed. There is still no hard evidence, just witnesses and much verbosity; one only needs to look at Siberia atm in regards to the dribble flowing down there. It is appreciated that Bishop Williamson has a critical skeptical mind: with this topic there are many mirrors with much smoke.
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Post by Scott » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:30 pm

A key problem with studying the homicidal gaschambers--which Faurisson was certainly correct in doing and doubting--that is easily overlooked in such discussions, is that it is ONE THING to say that something could not have technically worked EVER, and quite another that this could not have worked AS CLAIMED.

Faurisson, not having an extensive technical background, tended to overstate his case to the point of absurdity--and then brook little disagreement when called on it. Prof. Faurisson should have strongly counter-signalled efforts to dub him as "the Revisionist Pope."

When we tried to do our modest Scholars Debate back in 2003 where some anti-Revisionists agreed to debate the ailing Dr. Robert Countess at RODOH, I made sure that the question being debated drew a distinction somehow in regards to numbers killed. Yes. even the crudest Zyklon-B fumigation closet could be used to kill somebody, contrary to anything that Mr. Fred Leuchter might say.

However, we never figured out how to do any victory rules. At the end of the day when people still disagree, holding them to terms is a bit harder than one would think. You would think that claiming that millions of people were murdered in a specific manner would require EXTRAORDINARY evidence, but alas, with Holocaustianity that is not really the case. Jews got hurt, and definitely got their feelings hurt, ergo Holocaust & Genocide.

Mr. Berg was quick to note from his essays and so forth from thirty years or so ago that that the only difference between the Degesch-style fumigation cubicles that you can see on display today in the new crematorium building at the Dachau museum, for example, and a real homicidal gaschamber would be some way of isolating or restraining the victim(s) so that they could not damage the machinery in the standard fumigation cubicle. It ain't rocket science, folks.

But, but, but, there is a big difference if you are going to scale up to hundreds of thousands, or even millions of homicidal executions. There are going to have to be some technical and mechanical, or process engineering, and other related considerations taken here to make this even remotely plausible, let alone believable.

Things in the real world need to follow certain real-world criterion; you don't always get to imagine how things "must" have looked, or "might" have looked, as if you are just setting the stage for a Hollywood production. This is what Faurisson was really going for.

Science tends to be contingent upon a lot of things, and to "equivocate." Unfortunately, the public does not understand nuance, so it is hard to make qualified assertions about the real world without being obdurate. The Scientific Method is, in fact, revisionist. Science is a tool and not a magic hammer to be believed in or not. So Revisionists have to work on being principled and authoritative but not dogmatic.

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Post by blake121666 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:43 am

The Degesch machines were used for the ability to "penetrate" through clothes and lice eggs - and reach hard-to-reach places in the environment. Such is not required to gas humans.

Given that HCN diffuses away after evaporating off the Zyklon carrier quickly enough to not risk building up anywhere to its LEL, it'd reach the breathing space of all in a large room quickly enough. All that is needed is for the humans to inhale an accumulated lethal dosage for them to die.

There's no need to force a concentrated pressure of HCN through clothing, lice eggs, or nooks and crannies in the human scenario. Speeding up the evaporation rate would be more important in the human scenario. A packed room would heat up quickly enough to ensure a quick evaporation of HCN off the Zyklon substrate. And we know that the diffusion is quicker than the evaporation at the HCN boiling point - since Zyklon isn't explosive. There is obviously no need for any forced circulation then for this case.

Euthanizing mammals with gas does not entail any forced circulation pressure. The forced circulation is merely for small insects and their eggs - which can hide within the clothing being fumigated - or in nooks and crannies throughout the room. Penetrating lice eggs is the main reason for using forced circulation. Humans are not lice eggs.

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Post by Huntinger » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:42 am

blake121666 wrote:
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The Degesch machines were used for the ability to "penetrate" through clothes and lice eggs - and reach hard-to-reach places in the environment. Such is not required to gas humans.
Blake I am afraid your simplistic story book fantasies bely reality. The equivalent argument of this juvenile claim of yours is that by sticking a firework rocket up a horses anus and lighting it would make it plough the fields twenty times faster.
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