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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by blake121666 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:40 am

Nisco wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:34 am
=blake:
BT is taken by your "magically disappearing jew theory" phrase. Don't confuse him with details.
Says the proven liar who admits this:
While it is true that the tooth enamel would remain
blake:
The femurs of corpses would likely have been the largest fragments remaining from those corpses having been burned.
Right, femurs and virtually every single other bone in the body - and teeth would remain after being "burned" on "roasters" like this:

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Why focus on teensy weensy molten blob teeth when you could find large femurs? The teeth argument is a misconstrual of the fact that enamel survives the hottest of fires. But it cracks and becomes little flecks. Using the "teeth argument" belies a misunderstanding of the subject. I think that argument should be ditched in favor of an argument about the larger bone fragments.

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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by Nisco » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:43 am

blake:
I estimated the weight of 900,000 burned corpses here. About 2 kg per corpse => 2 million kg for about a million corpses = 2,000 tonnes.
2,000 tonnes of bone and over 28 million teeth allegedly buried in Treblinka II's alleged 15 "huge mass graves"?

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Yet poor blake and his "magically disappearing jew theory" cannot prove that so-much-as one of the alleged 15 "huge mass graves" even exists, much less contains so-much-as an iota of human remains.

NOT AN IOTA!

:lol:

And not so-much-as a single tooth!

:lol:


blake,

#5 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain at least an iota of human remains: __?__.

#10 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain the remains of at least 7 human beings: __?__.

#15 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain the remains of at least 21 human beings: __?__.

#20 - Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.



And here is how Colls' numbers correspond to THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE ( http://nafcash.com/ ) numbering system:

CSC G50 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/86

CSC G54 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/87

CSC G53 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/88

CSC G52 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/89

CSC G51 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/90

CSC F1 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/91

CSC G44 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/92

CSC G1 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/93

CSC G4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/94

CSC G38 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/95

CSC F16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/96

CSC F9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/97

CSC G29 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/98

CSC G32 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #14/99

CSC G36 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/100

How hard should it be to prove the existence of 15 "huge mass graves" that contain 900,000 bodies / 2,000 tonnes of remains that have allegedly been reduced to something like this:

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What are you waiting for blake?

What are you so afraid of?

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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by Nisco » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:08 am

blake:
Why focus on teensy weensy molten blob teeth
:lol:

Poor blake and his "magically disappearing jew theory" alleges that by burning bodies in this manner (except with virtually no wood):


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Over 28 million teeth at Treblinka II alone would turn into "teensy weensy molten blob teeth" - IOW - "magically disappear"! (Except that "the tooth enamel would remain"!)

:lol:

What a simple-minded DULLusinoalist!


blake,

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain at least one "teensy weensy molten blob tooth" and / or an iota of tooth enamal: __?__.

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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by Huntinger » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:30 am

blake121666 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:40 am
Why focus on teensy weensy molten blob teeth when you could find large femurs? The teeth argument is a misconstrual of the fact that enamel survives the hottest of fires. But it cracks and becomes little flecks. Using the "teeth argument" belies a misunderstanding of the subject. I think that argument should be ditched in favor of an argument about the larger bone fragments.
Why? This would suggest that insufficient wood was used to burn or that combustion was not complete. In this case the volume would increase as this is not ash. As no evidence has been found of either ash or bone frgments or teeth, in fact no evidence of anything it is highly suggestive the whole story is a myth.
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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by been-there » Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:21 pm

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Compare the following description of cremating corpses in modern, state-of-the-art crematoria ovens, with the method used for making millions of corpses virtually 'disappear" by being burnt on crude open fires as claimed to have been used at Treblinka, Chelmno, etc., in the compulsory 'holocaust' narrative.
Some things you didn’t know about cremation:

1. How hot is cremation?
Damn hot. To fully cremate a body, you need to get the temperatures over 1400°F (760°C). These temperatures are reached by the use of propane or natural gas – a fair amount of it. Dumping a bunch of fuel in a brick box and blowing hurricane force winds through it creates a lot of heat. Alright, there might be a bit of hyperbole here, but you get the idea. Hot.

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2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone. When complete, the bones are allowed to cool to a temperature that they can be handled and are placed into a processing machine. It looks like a mean margarita blender, and they are processed down to the consistency of ash, where they get their misnomer name.

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3. Cremation pre-processed remains
Only one at a time, please. ...The only exception to this is if the family specifically requests that two people be cremated together. Space, being a premium in a cremation chamber, means that this isn’t always possible. Two adults that are to be cremated together often times end up being cremated in two separate machines side-by-side because there isn’t enough room in one.

4. How fast is cremation?
Fast compared to decomposition, but most people don’t know that it takes 2 to 2.5 hours to cremate a human body. As a general rule, people don’t spend a whole bunch of time thinking about the details of cremation, and so when pressed, most people think that it should take 15 – 30 minutes. There’s a lot of water to boil off, and heating water is a long, energy intensive process. Just go watch your teapot.

5. The amount of remains you get back is bigger than you think.
Like we talked about in Point 2, the human skeleton comes back as more than a cup of all-purpose flour. It’s 6 – 8 lbs (2.5 – 3.5 kilos) of bone. If you are having a hard time imagining what weighs 6 – 8 pounds, picture a child’s bowling ball
https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/ ... cremation/
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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by Nisco » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:34 am

been-there wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:21 pm
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Compare the following description of cremating corpses in modern, state-of-the-art crematoria ovens, with the method used for making millions of corpses virtually 'disappear" by being burnt on crude open fires as claimed to have been used at Treblinka, Chelmno, etc., in the compulsory 'holocaust' narrative.
Some things you didn’t know about cremation:

1. How hot is cremation?
Damn hot. To fully cremate a body, you need to get the temperatures over 1400°F (760°C). These temperatures are reached by the use of propane or natural gas – a fair amount of it. Dumping a bunch of fuel in a brick box and blowing hurricane force winds through it creates a lot of heat. Alright, there might be a bit of hyperbole here, but you get the idea. Hot.

Image

2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone. When complete, the bones are allowed to cool to a temperature that they can be handled and are placed into a processing machine. It looks like a mean margarita blender, and they are processed down to the consistency of ash, where they get their misnomer name.

Image

3. Cremation pre-processed remains
Only one at a time, please. ...The only exception to this is if the family specifically requests that two people be cremated together. Space, being a premium in a cremation chamber, means that this isn’t always possible. Two adults that are to be cremated together often times end up being cremated in two separate machines side-by-side because there isn’t enough room in one.

4. How fast is cremation?
Fast compared to decomposition, but most people don’t know that it takes 2 to 2.5 hours to cremate a human body. As a general rule, people don’t spend a whole bunch of time thinking about the details of cremation, and so when pressed, most people think that it should take 15 – 30 minutes. There’s a lot of water to boil off, and heating water is a long, energy intensive process. Just go watch your teapot.

5. The amount of remains you get back is bigger than you think.
Like we talked about in Point 2, the human skeleton comes back as more than a cup of all-purpose flour. It’s 6 – 8 lbs (2.5 – 3.5 kilos) of bone. If you are having a hard time imagining what weighs 6 – 8 pounds, picture a child’s bowling ball
https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/ ... cremation/
Poor blake seems to have lost his appetite for debate.

It looks like the brutal bitch-slapping that he was taking on this thread was just too much for him.

Hopefully he'll re-examine his insane "magically disappearing jew theory" and come to his senses. (If he has any,)

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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by DabbingIsSoMuchFun » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:07 pm

Sorry mates, but I was too busy PoP (2008) and playing Halo. It seems this 'Blake' fellow responded in my place, so I will focus exclusively on what was said thereafterwards.


"2,000 tonnes of bone and over 28 million teeth allegedly buried in Treblinka II's alleged 15 "huge mass graves"?"


Wrong.



This assumes that _every_ person in Treblinka - after being murdered - was buried there. This also assumes that the Germans covered up their evidence once they finished killing the inmates, while they actually continued doing so well into 1943. By consequence, it also assumes that the Germans _always_ sought to bury the bodies in mass graves.

They would be utter amateurs to do so. If you cover up a crime, the last thing you want to do is leave traces of that cover-up, or remains, at the site of the location. They just discovered the bodies of those murdered at Katyn by the Soviets; why would they take the trouble of exhuming the bodies if they would leave whatever remained there at the location?


This is too easy.


Also, the use of the word 'alleged' implies that someone had stated so; please provide direct quotation for your claim, like I did. Otherwise, you are a liar.
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"Yet poor blake and his "magically disappearing jew theory" cannot prove that so-much-as one of the alleged 15 "huge mass graves" even exists, much less contains so-much-as an iota of human remains."


What was Aktion 1005 then? Some theory there, lol!


This is too easy.
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"NOT AN IOTA!



And not so-much-as a single tooth!




blake,

#5 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain at least an iota of human remains: __?__.

#10 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain the remains of at least 7 human beings: __?__.

#15 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain the remains of at least 21 human beings: __?__.

#20 - Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.

How hard should it be to prove the existence of 15 "huge mass graves" that contain 900,000 bodies / 2,000 tonnes of remains that have allegedly been reduced to something like this:"


Useless question because of flawed premise;


- Every body was buried there

- The exhumation took place after the murders had been done



An exhumation who's goal is to destroy evidence of a crime, wants as the last thing to happen, for THERE TO BE EVIDENCE (In forms of remains) LEFT!!!!!

BTW, you can't prove a statement you didn't make.

Either provide direct quotations each time you claim someone 'alleges' something or be considered a liar.


Here's a challenge; find the remains of the 11 executed at Nuremberg. If you can't, that's because it didn't happen, :)


This is too easy.
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"Over 28 million teeth at Treblinka II alone would turn into "teensy weensy molten blob teeth" - IOW - "magically disappear"! (Except that "the tooth enamel would remain"!)



What a simple-minded DULLusinoalist!


blake,

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can prove currently contain at least one "teensy weensy molten blob tooth" and / or an iota of tooth enamal: __?"


See above, but screw it, at Nuremberg, some 352 teeth would have to be turned into "teensy weensy molten blob tooth."

Where are the teeth, then?

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"Why? This would suggest that insufficient wood was used to burn or that combustion was not complete. In this case the volume would increase as this is not ash. As no evidence has been found of either ash or bone frgments or teeth, in fact no evidence of anything it is highly suggestive the whole story is a myth."

See above.

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"1. How hot is cremation?
Damn hot. To fully cremate a body, you need to get the temperatures over 1400°F (760°C). These temperatures are reached by the use of propane or natural gas – a fair amount of it. Dumping a bunch of fuel in a brick box and blowing hurricane force winds through it creates a lot of heat. Alright, there might be a bit of hyperbole here, but you get the idea. Hot.

2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone. When complete, the bones are allowed to cool to a temperature that they can be handled and are placed into a processing machine. It looks like a mean margarita blender, and they are processed down to the consistency of ash, where they get their misnomer name."


No comment.

"3. Cremation pre-processed remains
Only one at a time, please. ...The only exception to this is if the family specifically requests that two people be cremated together. Space, being a premium in a cremation chamber, means that this isn’t always possible. Two adults that are to be cremated together often times end up being cremated in two separate machines side-by-side because there isn’t enough room in one."


Facepalm.


This is assuming the Germans used cremation machines, whilst in cremation chambers.

Even Nisco has a better grasp!


"4. How fast is cremation?
Fast compared to decomposition, but most people don’t know that it takes 2 to 2.5 hours to cremate a human body. As a general rule, people don’t spend a whole bunch of time thinking about the details of cremation, and so when pressed, most people think that it should take 15 – 30 minutes. There’s a lot of water to boil off, and heating water is a long, energy intensive process. Just go watch your teapot."


Facepalm.


This assumes the Germans just cremated every body _once_ at a time. That would be insane!

"5. The amount of remains you get back is bigger than you think.
Like we talked about in Point 2, the human skeleton comes back as more than a cup of all-purpose flour. It’s 6 – 8 lbs (2.5 – 3.5 kilos) of bone. If you are having a hard time imagining what weighs 6 – 8 pounds, picture a child’s bowling ball"

No comment.

3/5 statements true is 60%. That's the just passing grade at school. Better than Nisco, but still...


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"Hopefully he'll re-examine his insane "magically disappearing jew theory" and come to his senses. (If he has any,)"


What was Aktion 1005, then?


Nevermind Holocaust Denial, you are an Aktion 1005 Denier!


I, by contrast, am a Nuremberg Exhumation revisionist; no remains, no exhumation.


BTW, I have a 135 IQ, and was a former 'revisionist' (Not denier, because I genuinely had some gross misconceptions about the camps that were later rectified upon actual research). I doubt yours even breaks the three-digits.


This isn't fun, Nisky. I'm always winning, like always. Invite _all_ your denying friends while you're at it!
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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by Turnagain » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:27 pm

Dabbing of the 135 IQ can't seem to grasp the concept that if the mass graves of Treblinka ever did exist then they still DO exist whether they are filled in or not. Such ground disturbances would show up on a GPR now and for at least another 1,000 years. Both Wiernik and Rajchman described the graves as being 10-12 meters deep, 25-30 meters wide and 50 meters long. Wiernik claimed that there were five such graves while Rajchman claimed that there were seven such graves with four larger graves, one of which was large enough to contain 250,000 cadavers. Do you really think that those graves just disappeared, Dabbing?

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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by Huntinger » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:38 pm

Thank you. Using the lower figures would give a volume of 62 500m3 which is 25 Olympic swimming pools of ash which is not far from my calculated 33 if the necessary amount of wood was found. This is still a vast quantity of ash. If spread over 42 acres or 169968m2, the ash would be 0.4m down (I calculated .5). The original calculation of 6 metres was clearly wrong.
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Re: If The Axis Didn't Exterminate The Jews...

Post by Turnagain » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:57 pm

Huntinger wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:38 pm
Thank you. Using the lower figures would give a volume of 62 500m3 which is 25 Olympic swimming pools of ash which is not far from my calculated 33 if the necessary amount of wood was found. This is still a vast quantity of ash. If spread over 42 acres or 169968m2, the ash would be 0.4m down (I calculated .5). The original calculation of 6 metres was clearly wrong.
The problem being that there wasn't any wood used to cremate the bodies beyond some twigs or brush that was used as kindling to set the bodies on fire. Nessie contended that only the eeevul Narzis knew the secret of how to cremate cadavers without using anything but the cadavers themselves for fuel. How the hundreds of thousands of bodies were cremated without any fuel is a real stumbling block for the hoaxers. They tend to avoid that subject.

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