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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:49 pm

Here's David Irving giving forth about Treblinka where "hundreds of thousands would be murdered..."


Not much about Treblinka but David Irving's right ear will arouse his weirdo fans nonetheless

Irving is, of course, full-of-crap. Could you tell us please, Mr. Irving, what you are basing your Treblinka tale on? Did the fiendish Nazis use diesel exhaust or gasoline engine exhaust? Is there even one piece of credible "evidence" like an autopsy or document that anyone was gassed?

Here's some stuff Irving actually collected and posted about Kurt Gerstein: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/con ... index.html

It is not much at all.

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Rev2018 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:54 pm

Hundreds of thousands...where did he take this number from??!

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:03 pm

Ask Irving. He will not answer me. I seem to frighten him.

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Rev2018 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:10 pm

David Irving keeps changing his mind about many things that happened during WWII. This means, even to a person who doesn't know abything about the war, that either he lied in the past or he is lying now. As such, he is a liar and cannot be trusted!

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Scott » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:21 pm

Fuchs' testimony is thin beer indeed.

The latest Hoaxster narrative is that 25 percent of the Big-H victims were dispatched in the first 100 days of the Reinhardt Camps, about 1,500 per day.

That is some Gonzo magic going on somehow. :shock:


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This has been widely reported in the media this new year in USA Today, Newsweek, etc. and comes from a recent study in the peer-reviewed Science Advances - a publication of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), which also publishes the well-known scientific journal Science.


https://www.newsweek.com/holocaust-15-m ... ys-1277102

HOLOCAUST SAW 1.5 MILLION JEWS MURDERED IN ‘HYPERINTENSE’ KILLING SPREE OVER 100 DAYS
BY KASHMIRA GANDER ON 1/2/19 AT 2:00 PM


The Nazis killed more than a quarter of the Jewish people murdered during the entirety of World War II in a “hyperintense” period lasting 100 days, a study has revealed.

During Operation Reinhard, between 1942 and 1943, the Nazis murdered 1.7 million Jews in the “largest single murder campaign of the Holocaust,” according to Lewi Stone, the author of the study published in the journal Science Advances. The majority of the victims were killed in gas chambers at the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka death camps, as Nazis attempted to wipe out the Jews of occupied Poland.

Of this total, around 1.47 million Jews were killed in a 100-day period spanning August, September and October 1942. That amounts to around a quarter of all Jews killed during World War II, which lasted from 1939 to 1945, Stone found.

The numbers show “the Nazis’ focused genocide with the goal of obliterating the entire Jewish people of occupied Poland in as short as time possible, mostly within three months," Stone told Newsweek.

The findings lay bare the “singularly violent character” of Operation Reinhard, the author wrote in his paper, and puts the rate of deaths during the Holocaust at 10 times higher than previously predicted in past studies. The findings also indicate the rate of murders during Operation Reinhard were 83 percent higher than that of the 1994 Rwandan genocide, which is widely regarded as the "most intense genocide of the 20th century," Stone told Newsweek.

“A mistake like this effectively rewrites the history of the Holocaust in a way that diminishes its historical standing and the scale of human death it encompasses,” Stone said. However, he stressed, “In my opinion, this tells us more about the need to quantify conflicts and wars with more effort, rather than the need to compare genocides.”

Stone arrived at his conclusion by assessing documents including railway records. He told Newsweek he was “completely shocked" by the data. “I almost jumped out of my skin.”

The numbers show “the Nazis’ focused genocide with the goal of obliterating the entire Jewish people of occupied Poland in as short as time possible, mostly within three months," Stone told Newsweek.

“That the massacre occurred in such a short timeframe, and under complete deception, ensured the Jewish people did not have a chance and made the formation of organized resistance extremely difficult."

Past studies have focused on counting the number of victims of the Holocaust. Such calculations, while useful, leave researchers “with a single aggregate number that is bewilderingly large and difficult for the human mind to relate to,” Stone wrote in his paper.

Here, Stone wanted to uncover the speed at which killings were carried out in order to provide an insight into the Nazi’s genocidal plans as a whole.

A number of obstacles stand in the way of researching deaths during the Holocaust, Stone explained to Newsweek. Firstly, the Nazis purposefully destroyed incriminating documents detailing the slaughters of Operation Reinhard. On top of that, the three death camps used were operating at different rates and different times.

He acknowledged, as with all studies, his work has its limitations, the most obvious being “the availability of accurate data.”

Stone argued that understanding the mechanics of genocides and mass killings remain important considering six such massacres have unfolded in the past quarter century, in Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur, Burundi, Syria, and Myanmar.


Here are some more links:

https://nypost.com/2019/01/03/the-first ... n-history/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 463662002/

REMEMBER, FOLKS, THAT EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE !!

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:07 pm

Stone got something right:
He acknowledged, as with all studies, his work has its limitations, the most obvious being “the availability of accurate data.”

Stone argued that understanding the mechanics of genocides and mass killings remain important considering six such massacres have unfolded in the past quarter century, in Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur, Burundi, Syria, and Myanmar.
Yes, indeed. The in-availabilty of accurate data can be such a problem. Crap goes in; crap comes out. Since there was no real data on any gassings or the "mechanics" involved--not even for one gassing, the result was just more CRAP!

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Trolljegeren » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:14 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:49 pm
Here's David Irving giving forth about Treblinka where "hundreds of thousands would be murdered..."


Not much about Treblinka but David Irving's right ear will arouse his weirdo fans nonetheless

Irving is, of course, full-of-crap. Could you tell us please, Mr. Irving, what you are basing your Treblinka tale on? Did the fiendish Nazis use diesel exhaust or gasoline engine exhaust? Is there even one piece of credible "evidence" like an autopsy or document that anyone was gassed?

Here's some stuff Irving actually collected and posted about Kurt Gerstein: http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/con ... index.html

It is not much at all.

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From memory Mr Irving goes on about a criminal conspiracy going on at the camp which was not authorized by the SS even though the members were SS. I think he said about 900 were topped not 900 000 but no idea where he got his figures.

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:23 pm

Irving is a "SLOB" as much as anything. The figures were given in the early post war days by various authors with Treblinka being the worst AR camp with about 800,000 murders. I have never seen numbers merely in the hundreds for any of the six alleged extermination camps.

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Rev2018 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:28 pm

Irving is a shamless liar. I have been to Treblinka, there is nothing there, completely empty space with a small museum. If there had been so many people killed there, at least there would be some remains of a huge camp...at least something but it is an empty place and I have already put off many people from abrod who wanted to visit it.

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Re: Simple Questions for Mark Weber and David Irving

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:39 pm

Nonetheless, for Irving's weirdo admirers the ride sitting next to Irving in Irving's Polish taxi service must be a "thrilling" experience. If only Mark Weber could go. Oh, the stories they could tell.

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