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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by blake121666 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:55 am

Huntinger wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:51 am
blake121666 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:29 am
Huntinger wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:26 am
They had not control over which camps the Soviets took over and those which the others took over. By a sheer coincidence just the camps in the Soviet sector were death camps... amazing is it not?
The "extermination camps" were in the areas where the Jews to be exterminated were. Those areas were the same areas the Soviets took in the war. You're making way too much out of this "coincidence". Do you even know where the vast bulk of European Jewry even resided at the time? Why would "extermination camps" be setup OUTSIDE of the areas where the Jews were if they were setup to "exterminate" the Jews in those areas where they are alleged to have been setup?

The "extermination camps" were setup for the Jews in the surrounding areas. Farther East, mobile killing squads are alleged to have been employed. The exceptions to this general rule are easily explained within the narrative given.

Furthermore, all of the alleged "extermination camps" except for Majdanek and Auschwitz were razed to the ground in 1943. And we have very good info about the evacuations of Auschwitz. You keep posting as if these things were huge camps which could contain large numbers of people to be "liberated" by the Soviets or something. The "extermination camps" WERE NOT taken over by the Soviets. They didn't exist at the time the Soviets took over the areas containing them.
All of the camps were regarding as execution camps except by a shear coincidence those within the Soviet Sector. I could almost guarantee that if the Soviets did not even go into Poland there would be NO death camps. The question remains who decided those camps in the Soviet sector were death camps.
Your "guarantee" is worth diddly squat. Where did the Jews go?

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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Huntinger » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:06 am

blake121666 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:55 am

Your "guarantee" is worth diddly squat. Where did the Jews go?
That question is in another thread. Please stick to the thread intention or topic.
Thread Intention
Who decided which camp was a "Death Camp" and why?
Why were all of the alleged Death Camps once behind the Iron Curtain?
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Nessie » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:49 am

Huntinger wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:51 am
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All of the camps were regarding as execution camps except by a shear coincidence those within the Soviet Sector. I could almost guarantee that if the Soviets did not even go into Poland there would be NO death camps.
Initially, all the camps were being claimed as extermination camps, remember the OP? Then, the investigation found only a few specific camps were. It has now been explained to you by both myself and blake the location of the camps was determined by the location of the majority of the Jewish people, which was in and around Poland.
The question remains who decided those camps in the Soviet sector were death camps.
I have shown you where the first reports of specific death camps came from, the Polish. It was the Poles who claimed them as the death camps.
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by been-there » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:04 am

blake121666 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:29 am
The "extermination camps" WERE NOT taken over by the Soviets. They didn't exist at the time the Soviets took over the areas containing them.
But the sites were. This is the point.

Who now knows the exact history of the timeline of destruction of those sites? And how do they know? From which souces?

Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek-Lublin and Auschwitz-Birkenau are the six camps whose designation as 'extermination camps' or 'death camps' became accepted 'history'. They were all in the Soviet occupied zone.

Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Ohrdruf and Nordhausen (subcamps of Buchenwald), and others, were also portrayed as 'death camps' and 'murder camps' initially by the Americans and British. They were all in the British-American occupied zone.

All the other concentration camps besides those six that were called 'death camps' in the immediate post-war atrocity propaganda blitz, have since been quietly dropped from that propaganda 'history'.
Few now refer to Belsen, Dachau, Buchenwald as 'extermination camps' though some remnants of the initial emotionally manipulative misinformation still exists. These were also initially presented to the world in photographs and news' films as "death camps" and centres of "unimaginable bestiality".
The first news reel film about the alleged German war-time atrocities, that was shown in American movie theaters, referred to the Ohrdruf labor camp as a “murder mill.” Burned corpses were shown as the narrator of the film asked rhetorically “How many were burned alive?”
The narrator described “the murder shed” at Ohrdruf where prisoners were “slain in cold blood”. Lest anyone should be inclined to assume that this news reel was sheer propaganda, the narrator prophetically intoned:
“For the first time, America can believe what they thought was impossible propaganda. This is documentary evidence of sheer mass murder – murder that will blacken the name of Germany for the rest of recorded history.”
How often do you hear about Ohrdruf camp today? Or Nordhausen?
Twice the narrator implies that people in the camps were burnt alive. The second time he declares it as 'truth' (4:44) "horror unbelievable but true".

All the camps overtaken by the Americans the viewers are told were scenes of "organised carnage". This is the origin of what morphed into 'the Holocaust'. Yet revealingly 'Jews' are never mentioned.

“For the first time, Americans can believe what they thought was impossible propaganda. Here is documentary evidence of sheer mass-murder. Murder that will blacken the name of Germany for the rest of recorded history." (6:02)

So, Blake? What happened? What changed? How did this misinformation get quitely dropped from 'history'?



The sites of the six camps that are STILL called 'death camps', and 'extermination camps' ALL came to be in the post-war Soviet controlled area of Poland. They were under Soviet control and off-limits for investigation until ...well, after 1989 wasn't it?

That the sites of ALL the alleged 'death camps' were in Soviet-controlled territory remains the salient fact here. It IS a very relevant point to keep in mind when attempting to understand how this 'holocaust' history started, developed, evolved and in its current form still persists.

Plus the camps of Majdanek (Konzentrationslager Lublin) and Auschwitz-Birkenau DID “exist at the time the Soviets took over the areas containing them”. So you are incorrect there.

Then... How much of those camps were destroyed by the Soviet, British and American Allies remains open to question.
E.g. Bergen-Belsen was publicised as a 'death camp' to the world and it was destroyed by the British.
E.g. There is evidence that buildings remained at Treblinka in 1945 and were destroyed by the Soviets.
E.g. exactly who was responsible for the complete destruction of the remains of Sobibor camp is also questionable.
Etc., etc.

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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Nessie » Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:42 am

been-there wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:04 am
blake121666 wrote:
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:29 am
The "extermination camps" WERE NOT taken over by the Soviets. They didn't exist at the time the Soviets took over the areas containing them.
But the sites were. This is the point.

Who now knows the exact history of the timeline of destruction of those sites? And how do they know? From which souces?
From witnesses who were at the camps, from locals who lived nearby to the camps and from ground and aerial photos, we know that TII, Sobibor, Belzec and Chelmno were all razed to the ground prior to Soviet arrival. We also know the kremas at Birkenau had been blown up.
Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek-Lublin and Auschwitz-Birkenau are the six camps whose designation as 'extermination camps' or 'death camps' became accepted 'history'. They were all in the Soviet occupied zone.

Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Ohrdruf and Nordhausen (subcamps of Buchenwald), and others, were also portrayed as 'death camps' and 'murder camps' initially by the Americans and British. They were all in the British-American occupied zone.

All the other concentration camps besides those six that were called 'death camps' in the immediate post-war atrocity propaganda blitz, have since been quietly dropped from that propaganda 'history'.
Few now refer to Belsen, Dachau, Buchenwald as 'extermination camps' though some remnants of the initial emotionally manipulative misinformation still exists. These were also initially presented to the world in photographs and news' films as "death camps" and centres of "unimaginable bestiality".
The first news reel film about the alleged German war-time atrocities, that was shown in American movie theaters, referred to the Ohrdruf labor camp as a “murder mill.” Burned corpses were shown as the narrator of the film asked rhetorically “How many were burned alive?”
The narrator described “the murder shed” at Ohrdruf where prisoners were “slain in cold blood”. Lest anyone should be inclined to assume that this news reel was sheer propaganda, the narrator prophetically intoned:
“For the first time, America can believe what they thought was impossible propaganda. This is documentary evidence of sheer mass murder – murder that will blacken the name of Germany for the rest of recorded history.”
How often do you hear about Ohrdruf camp today? Or Nordhausen?
Twice the narrator implies that people in the camps were burnt alive. The second time he declares it as 'truth' (4:44) "horror unbelievable but true".

All the camps overtaken by the Americans the viewers are told were scenes of "organised carnage". This is the origin of what morphed into 'the Holocaust'. Yet revealingly 'Jews' are never mentioned.

“For the first time, Americans can believe what they thought was impossible propaganda. Here is documentary evidence of sheer mass-murder. Murder that will blacken the name of Germany for the rest of recorded history." (6:02)

So, Blake? What happened? What changed? How did this misinformation get quitely dropped from 'history'?



The sites of the six camps that are STILL called 'death camps', and 'extermination camps' ALL came to be in the post-war Soviet controlled area of Poland. They were under Soviet control and off-limits for investigation until ...well, after 1989 wasn't it?

That the sites of ALL the alleged 'death camps' were in Soviet-controlled territory remains the salient fact here. It IS a very relevant point to keep in mind when attempting to understand how this 'holocaust' history started, developed, evolved and in its current form still persists.

Plus the camps of Majdanek (Konzentrationslager Lublin) and Auschwitz-Birkenau DID “exist at the time the Soviets took over the areas containing them”. So you are incorrect there.

Then... How much of those camps were destroyed by the Soviet, British and American Allies remains open to question.
E.g. Bergen-Belsen was publicised as a 'death camp' to the world and it was destroyed by the British.
E.g. There is evidence that buildings remained at Treblinka in 1945 and were destroyed by the Soviets.
E.g. exactly who was responsible for the complete destruction of the remains of Sobibor camp is also questionable.
Etc., etc.
The numerous academic investigations of the camps have resulted in the original claims that were false being dismissed and those with corroborative, credible evidence that they were death camps being accepted.

Of course, deneirs, who do not understand the evidencing, struggle to understand how the conclusions have been reached.
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Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Post by Trolljegeren » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:52 pm

Nessie you have said these last two paragraphs numerous times before. Please stop repeating your same claim. Only add something if you have something new to say.

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Post by OpenMind » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:50 am

I thought I should share a link to interesting photos taken at Belzec camp. This is a Jewish website so no bias on my side can be assumed. In the photo we can see a few well-dressed an healthy-looking Jews standing somewhere at the camp. How ridiculous! If they were mistreated or gassed (!) there, how could they take photos like this one? Also, above the photo is a warning that it can contain graphic imagery... This is completely insane! These photos prove the opposite to what the website is trying to sell as truth.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ph ... ation-camp

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Post by OpenMind » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:30 pm

Here is a link to a document which states with regards to 'extermination' camps: Allied Committee of Inquiry, “No poison gas was ever used – Witnesses have lied”

https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/ ... have-lied/

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Post by DasPrussian » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:11 pm

OpenMind wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:50 am
I thought I should share a link to interesting photos taken at Belzec camp. This is a Jewish website so no bias on my side can be assumed. In the photo we can see a few well-dressed an healthy-looking Jews standing somewhere at the camp. How ridiculous! If they were mistreated or gassed (!) there, how could they take photos like this one? Also, above the photo is a warning that it can contain graphic imagery... This is completely insane! These photos prove the opposite to what the website is trying to sell as truth.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ph ... ation-camp
This picture of a "few well-dressed and healthy-looking Jews" was taken in May 1940 , when Belzec was a Labour camp. If you possessed eyes then you would have seen this date clearly printed underneath the actual photo. Then, if you had any basic form of intelligence you would have checked in your Holocaust Handbook for Beginners and discovered that Belzec became a death camp in March 1942. Then you would have deleted your post to avoid any one calling you a dopey twat, you dopey twat.
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Post by DasPrussian » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:15 pm

OpenMind wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:30 pm
Here is a link to a document which states with regards to 'extermination' camps: Allied Committee of Inquiry, “No poison gas was ever used – Witnesses have lied”

https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/ ... have-lied/
Did you see the bit at the bottom that mentioned that Auschwitz was not included in this list of camps ? Did you also notice that the death camps Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec were not included in the list either ?

Now, sit back and pause for a few minutes.....is it beginning to slowly sink in what a complete buffoon you are ?
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