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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:48 am

Trolljegeren wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:32 am
Please read the Posts how the Polish Government in exile controlled the resistance and intelligence units.
I have read the posts here and they show that it was the Polish during the war, not the Jews or the Soviets who first reported on the death camps.

I believe the Polish reports (in as much as I accept not all we entirely accurate) because the claims of mass gassing and shooting have been subsequently been evidenced by other sources.
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Huntinger » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:50 am

Nessie wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:48 am


I believe the Polish reports (in as much as I accept not all we entirely accurate) because the claims of mass gassing and shooting have been subsequently been evidenced by other sources.
How do you know that those other sources are not also disinformation.?
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:59 am

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:50 am
Nessie wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:48 am


I believe the Polish reports (in as much as I accept not all we entirely accurate) because the claims of mass gassing and shooting have been subsequently been evidenced by other sources.
How do you know that those other sources are not also disinformation.?
That would mean all witnesses lied, all Nazis lied, all documents were forged, the Nazis were made to raze certain camps to the ground and plant cremains there, all records of survival were successfully hidden or destroyed, all those who did survive were successfully silenced even long after the war ended and the Iron Curtain came down.

You may as well be arguing you could walk to the moon. A cover-up of that scale is impossible. Far more credible is that at least some of the witnesses told the truth, some of the Nazis told the truth, they tried to cover up what had happened, but missed evidence and just could not hide it all completely.
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Huntinger » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:04 am

Nessie wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:59 am
A cover-up of that scale is impossible. Far more credible is that at least some of the witnesses told the truth, some of the Nazis told the truth, they tried to cover up what had happened, but missed evidence and just could not hide it all completely.
Not with the CCCP its not. If the witnesses told the truth they would have reported the nastiness of the Kapos and that is it. You are blaming the Nazis for cover ups when the hammer and sickle was staring at you all along.
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 am

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:04 am
Nessie wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:59 am
A cover-up of that scale is impossible. Far more credible is that at least some of the witnesses told the truth, some of the Nazis told the truth, they tried to cover up what had happened, but missed evidence and just could not hide it all completely.
Not with the CCCP its not. If the witnesses told the truth they would have reported the nastiness of the Kapos and that is it. You are blaming the Nazis for cover ups when the hammer and sickle was staring at you all along.
The initial Polish witnesses were not part of any Soviet cover-up. Neither were the Nazis who surrendered to the western Allies. Neither were the Jewish survivors who were liberated by the western Allies.

Stop pretending the Soviets had total control over everything :roll:
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Huntinger » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:34 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 am

Stop pretending the Soviets had total control over everything
Explain please why those camps in the Western Sectors who were originally declared death camps were no longer. Those who were in the Soviet Sector by mere chance, the fortunes of War, the roll of the dice just happened to be death camps. The Stalin role of the dice for sure.
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:06 pm

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:34 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 am

Stop pretending the Soviets had total control over everything
Explain please why those camps in the Western Sectors who were originally declared death camps were no longer.
Because the claims about mass gassing at those camps were investigated and found to false.
Those who were in the Soviet Sector by mere chance, the fortunes of War, the roll of the dice just happened to be death camps. The Stalin role of the dice for sure.
No, it was because they were in the country with the largest Jewish population and the Nazis had total control over it.
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Huntinger » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:26 am

They had not control over which camps the Soviets took over and those which the others took over. By a sheer coincidence just the camps in the Soviet sector were death camps... amazing is it not?
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by blake121666 » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:29 am

Huntinger wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:26 am
They had not control over which camps the Soviets took over and those which the others took over. By a sheer coincidence just the camps in the Soviet sector were death camps... amazing is it not?
The "extermination camps" were in the areas where the Jews to be exterminated were. Those areas were the same areas the Soviets took in the war. You're making way too much out of this "coincidence". Do you even know where the vast bulk of European Jewry even resided at the time? Why would "extermination camps" be setup OUTSIDE of the areas where the Jews were if they were allegedly setup to "exterminate" the Jews in those areas where they are alleged to have been setup?

The "extermination camps" were setup for the Jews in the surrounding areas. Farther East, mobile killing squads are alleged to have been employed. The exceptions to this general rule are easily explained within the narrative given.

Furthermore, all of the alleged "extermination camps" except for Majdanek and Auschwitz were razed to the ground in 1943. And we have very good info about the evacuations of Auschwitz. You keep posting as if these things were huge camps which could contain large numbers of people to be "liberated" by the Soviets or something. The "extermination camps" WERE NOT taken over by the Soviets. They didn't exist at the time the Soviets took over the areas containing them.

You have ZERO evidence about what happened to the millions of Jews that lived in those areas at the outbreak of the war but are said to have not been there at the end of the war or afterwards.
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Re: Extermination Camps.

Post by Huntinger » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:51 am

blake121666 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:29 am
Huntinger wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:26 am
They had not control over which camps the Soviets took over and those which the others took over. By a sheer coincidence just the camps in the Soviet sector were death camps... amazing is it not?
The "extermination camps" were in the areas where the Jews to be exterminated were. Those areas were the same areas the Soviets took in the war. You're making way too much out of this "coincidence". Do you even know where the vast bulk of European Jewry even resided at the time? Why would "extermination camps" be setup OUTSIDE of the areas where the Jews were if they were setup to "exterminate" the Jews in those areas where they are alleged to have been setup?

The "extermination camps" were setup for the Jews in the surrounding areas. Farther East, mobile killing squads are alleged to have been employed. The exceptions to this general rule are easily explained within the narrative given.

Furthermore, all of the alleged "extermination camps" except for Majdanek and Auschwitz were razed to the ground in 1943. And we have very good info about the evacuations of Auschwitz. You keep posting as if these things were huge camps which could contain large numbers of people to be "liberated" by the Soviets or something. The "extermination camps" WERE NOT taken over by the Soviets. They didn't exist at the time the Soviets took over the areas containing them.
All of the camps were regarding as execution camps except by a shear coincidence those within the Soviet Sector. I could almost guarantee that if the Soviets did not even go into Poland there would be NO death camps. The question remains who decided those camps in the Soviet sector were death camps.
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