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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:08 am

Trolljegeren wrote:
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The British dominated airspace after the Battle of Britain July 1940 to June 1941. On 4 April 1944, a Mosquito plane from 60 Photo Recon Squadron of the South African Air Force flew out of Foggia base in Southern Italy to photograph the factory. It was the IG Farben factory at Monowitz, only 4km from Birkenau. In order to ensure complete coverage of the target, it was common practice to start the camera rolling ahead of time, and stop it slightly over time. As a result, the Auschwitz camp was photographed for the first time. During that same period, the Allies had commenced planning a comprehensive attack on the German fuel industry, and the Monowitz factory was high up on the list of targets. On 31 May, a second plane from 60 Squadron was sent to the area. This time, it also took three photographs of Birkenau from an altitude of 26,000ft, although the photo-analysts did not identify the camp. The photographs from this sortie show us the camp as it looked 3 days after the arrival of the deportation documented in the Auschwitz Album. The bombing of the Monowitz factory was delayed but the Allied air forces continued to gather intelligence information about this factory and other installations in the area. The South African Mosquito planes photographed the factory and parts of the camp complex on 26 June, 25 August and 8 September.
Meanwhile, the US Army Air force also started carrying out sorties in the area. The first American sortie to the Auschwitz area was carried out on 8 July by an F-5 Lightning plane from the 5th Photographic Reconnaissance Group of the 15th US Air force, operating from Bari. The information gathered in this sortie and in the British sorties, was used to plan the first bombing mission of the Monowitz factory on 20 August, in which the factory was damaged, but was not destroyed. The second bombing mission was carried out on 13 September, and the photographs taken during the bombing by B-24 bombers of the 464th Bombardment Group include a photograph showing bombs being dropped over Birkenau. Afterwards, further sorties were carried out to estimate the damage, and the Germans’ progress with its repair. The 5th Photographic Reconnaissance Group’s Lightning planes also flew over the Auschwitz area on 29 November, 21 December, and finally on 14 January 1945 – only two weeks before the liberation of the camp by the Soviet Army. source
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Michael Birnbaum wrote:

Between May 14 and July 8, 1944, 437,402 Jews from fifty-five Hungarian localities were deported to Auschwitz in 147 trains. Most were gassed at Birkenau soon after they arrived. The railroad system was stretched to its limits to keep up with the demand of the camp, where as many as 12,000 people a day were being gassed.

Note planes were constantly over this camp, not just a few flights and if 12 000 a day were being gassed then there would be more evidence than shown in any photo. The fact that the allies were unaware of the alleged atrocity is because there was none.
Your post contradicts your conclusion. You note flights on April 4th, May 31st, June 26th, July 8th, August 20th and 25th, September 8th and another three times after that.

The Hungarian arrivals were May 14th to July 8th. So that is three photos. However, the Hungarian transports stopped for 2 weeks in June and there were no arrivals on the 26th. That means only TWO photos cover the largest of the arrivals. In August there were smaller scale arrivals from the Lodz ghetto. On the September 8th there was an arrival of Jews from Berlin. Details here;

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/glaser.htm

So, the planes were not constantly over the camp when large numbers were arriving there.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Trolljegeren » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:34 am

Allied air forces continued to gather intelligence information about this factory and other installations in the area.

That means more or less constant monitoring. You have no idea how Intelligence operations work do you ?

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:52 am

Trolljegeren wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:34 am
Allied air forces continued to gather intelligence information about this factory and other installations in the area.

That means more or less constant monitoring. You have no idea how Intelligence operations work do you ?
The evidence you provided shows only TWO sorties over Birkenau during the mass arrivals of Hungarians. Those arrivals were over a period of 45 days that there were mass transports of Hungarians. That is 2 out of 45, or 4%. That is not "more or less constant" :roll:
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Huntinger » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:57 am

Nessie instead of you spamming an important topic perhaps you collate your posts and just do one say per day. This is not facebook chat. The airforce contantly monitored. A few specific flyovers were mentioned but there was also constant monitoring. There is not enough activity in the camps to remotely suggest any mass extermination program.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:02 am

Huntinger wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:57 am
Nessie instead of you spamming an important topic perhaps you collate your posts and just do one say per day. This is not facebook chat. The airforce contantly monitored. A few specific flyovers were mentioned but there was also constant monitoring. There is not enough activity in the camps to remotely suggest any mass extermination program.
There was not constant monitoring, the Allies could not fly over the camps all day long as much as they wanted. Could you please collate your unevidenced assertions and post them once a day. Your constant chat is making it hard to keep track of where evidence is being posted.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Huntinger » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:08 am

Nessie wrote:
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There was not constant monitoring, the Allies could not fly over the camps all day long as much as they wanted.
Yes they could and they did. They controlled the airspace. Where is your evidence otherwise please. Advice: please just respond to the thread intentions and not your pet theories to try and spam these threads.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by AirfixGeneral » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:41 am

Huntinger wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:08 am
Nessie wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:02 am


There was not constant monitoring, the Allies could not fly over the camps all day long as much as they wanted.
Yes they could and they did. They controlled the airspace. Where is your evidence otherwise please. Advice: please just respond to the thread intentions and not your pet theories to try and spam these threads.
"controllings the airspace" a bits differents to takings photos, didnt you knows that ?

"controllings the airspaces" will nots provides you with the materials you requires to make your nonsense arguments. so get losts.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by AirfixGeneral » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:46 am

Trolljegeren wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:02 am
If an average figure was given over 55 days this would amount to 7953 people per day gassed. We are not using averages but quoting what others have said. If you cannot speak of the lack of photography then do not say anything at all... you might be well advised.
whatevers the average is irrelevants for yous unfortunatelys. it may helps you if you tells us how manys jewish landed on the days of photographs, thats all we needs to knows for starters. but evens if you provides proofs of your silly 10,000 arrivings on say 25.8.44, you then needs to tell us the times they arrived and the times the photos were takens, and see if they matches. you need to prove these times are correct toos, with evidences. good lucks with thats.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:53 am

Huntinger wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:08 am
Nessie wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:02 am


There was not constant monitoring, the Allies could not fly over the camps all day long as much as they wanted.
Yes they could and they did. They controlled the airspace.
Where is your evidence that the Allies had control of the airspace over Poland in 1944?
Where is your evidence otherwise please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frantic

"Operation Frantic was a series of seven shuttle bombing operations during World War II conducted by American aircraft based in Great Britain and southern Italy which then landed at three Soviet airfields in Ukraine. The operation ran between June and September, 1944."

One of those resulted in the aerial photo which shows Birkenau and bombs in the air above it. That was it. Seven raids by the USAF and some reconnaissance by the South African airforce. Here are 67 pages of details about Luftwaffe airfields in Poland during the war;

http://www.ww2.dk/Airfields%20-%20Poland.pdf
Advice: please just respond to the thread intentions and not your pet theories to try and spam these threads.
I produce evidence, it is you with the pet theories. Please stop it and evidence your claims.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Henry » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:05 pm

AirfixGeneral wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:52 am
Trolljegeren wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:00 am

Between May 14 and July 8, 1944, 437,402 Jews from fifty-five Hungarian localities were deported to Auschwitz in 147 trains. Most were gassed at Birkenau soon after they arrived. The railroad system was stretched to its limits to keep up with the demand of the camp, where as many as 12,000 people a day were being gassed.

Note planes were constantly over this camp, not just a few flights and if 12 000 a day were being gassed then there would be more evidence than shown in any photo. The fact that the allies were unaware of the alleged atrocity is because there was none.

Just as i thoughts. trolljegerens and henrys and huntingers uses an average maths figure which anybodys with half brain cells would realises is a deceptives and crafties ways of makings their false claims. this proves how dishonest fib merchants they ares.
Nessie and his new pal have already been provided with sources one of which is The Los Angeles Museum of The Holocaust http://www.lamoth.org/visitor-informati ... f-hungary/

So these two time wasters are clearly trolling this forum and misleading viewers with their lies. Could Admin please address this issue....

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