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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by AirfixGeneral » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:20 pm

Huntinger wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:14 pm
AirfixGeneral wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:07 pm
You not listening cloth ears. i could haves easilys said other times like 7 am and 5pms. stop takings it literallies . dont you understands the simples points i make ? the points beings just cos photos taken at one times doesnts mean to says it captures every events that happens that day. do you understands or not ? if nots then you a idiots.

anyways, who said there was 12000 of jewish getting off trains on same days as photos ?
If I were you I would refrain from calling board members idiots or any other insult. Considering the number of people involved the chances of them not being photographed by a plane is small. It is claimed 10 000 people a day were lined up outside gas chambers, long queues of people which would take a very long time to get to where their destination is: to the changing rooms for gassing. There are photos of people queued alongside the transports they arrived in, in other parts of the camp but none near any alleged gas chamber. The most likely explanation is because it did not happen as the official narrative said.
so henrys reckons 12,000 jewish landed at auschvitz on days of photos and yous reckons 10,000. so where did you gets that info ? i dont knows of any documents that proves this so maybes you knows better. did you gets it from czechs kalendar or did yous incorrectly decides to uses averages ?

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by AirfixGeneral » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:23 pm

Henry wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:19 pm
AirfixGeneral wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:07 pm
Henry wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:15 pm
AirfixGeneral wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:53 pm


Nos i not claims that. I just used random times to explains a very simples point. That points is this - if a camera take photos in any givens say 5 minute periods, then it doesnt meant to says that it captures all events that happeneds in whole of thats particular days. it only captures events that happens in that 5 minutes period.

I use 5 mins periods as i guess thats how longs the planes was above auschvitz.
But you were talking about the five hour period between 9:00 am and 2:00 pm. So what time after 9:00 am would the 12,000 Jews getting off trains and queuing for the gas chambers be removed from view of your 5 minute flyovers?
You not listening cloth ears. i could haves easilys said other times like 7 am and 5pms. stop takings it literallies . dont you understands the simples points i make ? the points beings just cos photos taken at one times doesnts mean to says it captures every events that happens that day. do you understands or not ? if nots then you a idiots.

anyways, who said there was 12000 of jewish getting off trains on same days as photos ?
You set the parameters now answer my question, Timmy....If not then stop trolling and spamming this forum with your pretend stupidity.
no parameters sets , so dont knows whats you talk abouts. but thanks for not tellings where you gets your massifly false figured from. although it looks like you dones silly average maths to get answers. tee hee that nots a very good ideas was it ?

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Henry » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:35 pm

Within four months, 437,000 Jews had been deported in 145 trains, most of them to the extermination camp in Auschwitz. On a typical day during this period, 12,000 Hungarian Jews would arrive at Auschwitz. Ninety percent were murdered upon arrival in the gas chambers. Because the crematoria could not cope with the number of corpses, special pits were dug near them, where bodies were burned in the open air.

Source: http://www.lamoth.org/visitor-informati ... f-hungary/
That's 12,000 Jews per day offloaded with 90% gassed.
On April 10, 1944, two Auschwitz escapees named Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler passed on detailed information to Jewish leaders in Switzerland that Auschwitz was a death camp for Jews. The Swiss Jews informed American diplomats in Berne that 12,000 Jews were being murdered every day at Auschwitz, information that reportedly reached Washington by June 1944.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 073adc9cf6
Wetzler and Vrba and "Swiss Jews"...They're your sources.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:13 am

Henry wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:45 pm
Nessie wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:12 am
It is also worth noting that the denier claim all of those taken into the camp then left is not backed up by the aerial photos.
Perhaps the photo below is showing Jews about to leave "the camp"....

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Can you prove otherwise?
The evidence is that indeed some of those in the photograph were about to leave the camp as they had been selected to work. They were then registered and given the famous tattoo. The evidence is that not selected to work were sent to the kremas to be gassed.

Can you prove otherwise?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:15 am

Huntinger wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:20 pm
Not good enough Nessie. 10 000 a day going into those cellars. Would be distinctly noticeable. Intelligence flying over head all of the time to find what was going on.
They were not flying overhead all the time.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Post by Trolljegeren » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:19 am

Nessie wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:13 am

The evidence is that indeed some of those in the photograph were about to leave the camp as they had been selected to work. They were then registered and given the famous tattoo. The evidence is that not selected to work were sent to the kremas to be gassed.

Can you prove otherwise?
To prove otherwise is not the thread intention Nessie. That may be misconstrued as derailment.
Thread intention
Why are there no photographs aerial or otherwise of queues of people heading into Leichenkeller II, Birkenau: if there are none, the Leichenkellers were not used for the purpose of mass murder.
I realise Henry asked about the evidence of people leaving the camp and you responded, no big deal but stick to the topic. If those not selected were gassed, where is the photographic evidence, aerial or otherwise. ?

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:22 am

Henry wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:35 pm
Within four months, 437,000 Jews had been deported in 145 trains, most of them to the extermination camp in Auschwitz. On a typical day during this period, 12,000 Hungarian Jews would arrive at Auschwitz. Ninety percent were murdered upon arrival in the gas chambers. Because the crematoria could not cope with the number of corpses, special pits were dug near them, where bodies were burned in the open air.

Source: http://www.lamoth.org/visitor-informati ... f-hungary/
That's 12,000 Jews per day offloaded with 90% gassed.
On April 10, 1944, two Auschwitz escapees named Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler passed on detailed information to Jewish leaders in Switzerland that Auschwitz was a death camp for Jews. The Swiss Jews informed American diplomats in Berne that 12,000 Jews were being murdered every day at Auschwitz, information that reportedly reached Washington by June 1944.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 073adc9cf6
Wetzler and Vrba and "Swiss Jews"...They're your sources.
You do know that 12,000 people were not offloaded at exactly the same time and went to the kremas at exactly the same time, do you?

You do know that there were days were photos were taken when nothing like that number of people are recorded to have arrived, do you?

You do know that the plane taking the photos was only overhead for a few minutes, do you?

You do know that only one aerial photo has been checked to see what movements have been recorded, do you?

From ONE photo deniers can tell exactly what happened at Birkenau over the space of around 10 months!!!! :lol:
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Trolljegeren » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:00 am

The British dominated airspace after the Battle of Britain July 1940 to June 1941. On 4 April 1944, a Mosquito plane from 60 Photo Recon Squadron of the South African Air Force flew out of Foggia base in Southern Italy to photograph the factory. It was the IG Farben factory at Monowitz, only 4km from Birkenau. In order to ensure complete coverage of the target, it was common practice to start the camera rolling ahead of time, and stop it slightly over time. As a result, the Auschwitz camp was photographed for the first time. During that same period, the Allies had commenced planning a comprehensive attack on the German fuel industry, and the Monowitz factory was high up on the list of targets. On 31 May, a second plane from 60 Squadron was sent to the area. This time, it also took three photographs of Birkenau from an altitude of 26,000ft, although the photo-analysts did not identify the camp. The photographs from this sortie show us the camp as it looked 3 days after the arrival of the deportation documented in the Auschwitz Album. The bombing of the Monowitz factory was delayed but the Allied air forces continued to gather intelligence information about this factory and other installations in the area. The South African Mosquito planes photographed the factory and parts of the camp complex on 26 June, 25 August and 8 September.
Meanwhile, the US Army Air force also started carrying out sorties in the area. The first American sortie to the Auschwitz area was carried out on 8 July by an F-5 Lightning plane from the 5th Photographic Reconnaissance Group of the 15th US Air force, operating from Bari. The information gathered in this sortie and in the British sorties, was used to plan the first bombing mission of the Monowitz factory on 20 August, in which the factory was damaged, but was not destroyed. The second bombing mission was carried out on 13 September, and the photographs taken during the bombing by B-24 bombers of the 464th Bombardment Group include a photograph showing bombs being dropped over Birkenau. Afterwards, further sorties were carried out to estimate the damage, and the Germans’ progress with its repair. The 5th Photographic Reconnaissance Group’s Lightning planes also flew over the Auschwitz area on 29 November, 21 December, and finally on 14 January 1945 – only two weeks before the liberation of the camp by the Soviet Army. source
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Photo of Krema, captions by Yadvashem propaganda
Michael Birnbaum wrote:

Between May 14 and July 8, 1944, 437,402 Jews from fifty-five Hungarian localities were deported to Auschwitz in 147 trains. Most were gassed at Birkenau soon after they arrived. The railroad system was stretched to its limits to keep up with the demand of the camp, where as many as 12,000 people a day were being gassed.

Note planes were constantly over this camp, not just a few flights and if 12 000 a day were being gassed then there would be more evidence than shown in any photo. The fact that the allies were unaware of the alleged atrocity is because there was none.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by AirfixGeneral » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:52 am

Trolljegeren wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:00 am

Between May 14 and July 8, 1944, 437,402 Jews from fifty-five Hungarian localities were deported to Auschwitz in 147 trains. Most were gassed at Birkenau soon after they arrived. The railroad system was stretched to its limits to keep up with the demand of the camp, where as many as 12,000 people a day were being gassed.

Note planes were constantly over this camp, not just a few flights and if 12 000 a day were being gassed then there would be more evidence than shown in any photo. The fact that the allies were unaware of the alleged atrocity is because there was none.

Just as i thoughts. trolljegerens and henrys and huntingers uses an average maths figure which anybodys with half brain cells would realises is a deceptives and crafties ways of makings their false claims. this proves how dishonest fib merchants they ares.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Trolljegeren » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:02 am

If an average figure was given over 55 days this would amount to 7953 people per day gassed. We are not using averages but quoting what others have said. If you cannot speak of the lack of photography then do not say anything at all... you might be well advised.

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