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Birkenau queues

Post by Huntinger » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:31 pm

Thread Intention Why are there no photographs aerial or otherwise of queues of people heading into Leichenkeller II, Birkenau: if there are none, the Leichenkellers were not used for the purpose of mass murder. If there were alleged mass murders, there has to be another explanation.

The Official Narrative
The Jews, who were selected for gassing, walked down the steps into the undressing room in Krema II or Krema III; frequently, one of the inmate orchestras would be playing classical music, which the victims could hear. The place where the orchestra played was southeast of the Krema III building; the location was outside the barbed wire enclosure around Krema III, and right next to the soccer field. This was the location where concerts were held for the prisoners who worked while the prisoners, who had not been selected to work, were gassed. The victims were told that they were going to take a shower, after which they would have a nice hot meal. They took off all their clothing, thinking that they were going to take a shower, and then proceeded to the end of the long undressing room where there was a door into a Vorraum (vestibule). source
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Remains of Leichenkeller II, Birkenau
This scenario of entering the Leichenkellers has been depicted in Movies such as below.
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Movie depiction of people descending into L2 Krema II
And in models
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Model depiction of lines of people at L2 Krema III
It is estimated that on many occasions there allegedly were lines of 2000 people many times a day, waiting for their turn to meet Yahweh.

Controversy
There are no known photos of people queued up walking down the steps of Leichenkeller II, in either Krema II or III. All that is ever shown are the disembarkation off the trains. Considering the number of alleged victims and the domination of Allied air space over Poland it would have been inevitable that there would be at least one genuine photo depicting the alleged scenario.
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There are photos of people walking around the camp and towards Krema, but these could easily be work details.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:12 am

Each train load that entered into Birkenau was about 1000 prisoners. We know from camp records that people from most trains were selected to work;

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/glaser.htm

Those not selected to work are then split between four kremas and the Bunker II gas chamber. What is described as a work detail in the photo above, which shows kremas IV and V, is a few hundred at the most. The aerial photos as shown here;

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... kenau.html

show groups that are no more than a few hundred moving about the camp. There was a series of aerial photos taken and if they are put together we see an animation. Here there are prisoners entering a barracks (lower left);

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The queue is moving quickly inside considering the speed of the plane taking the photos. If you go through all the photos in the link you see the prisoners moved about the camp in batches of no more than a few hundred at a time.

There were about 8 days when aerial photos were taken of Birkenau. Of those a number can be discounted because they were late 1944, early 1945 when gassing had stopped. Only those in May to August could capture a line going into a krema.

Since it was a few hundred at a time entered the kremas, that did not take long and so few photos were taken, it is hardly odd that none show a queue at any.

It is also worth noting that the denier claim all of those taken into the camp then left is not backed up by the aerial photos. There are no signs of long lines of people leaving the camp.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Werd » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:15 pm

Nessie wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:12 am
It is also worth noting that the denier claim all of those taken into the camp then left is not backed up by the aerial photos.
Nor are the massive outdoor pyres. The claim that there is a plume of smoke near Bunker II remains to be actually proven and shown in the photo. Plus the one small bit of smoke near Krema V is not large enough to be on scale with massive outdoor pyres used for a post homicidal action.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:15 am

This thread is about queuing. The 25th August photo does not show anyone queuing to enter a krema. There were two selections of Jews who had arrived from the Lodz Ghetto that day.

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/glaser.htm

That was a quiet day fro the camp compared to previous months.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by AirfixGeneral » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:28 pm

what kinds of nonsense is this topics ? huntnigger says cos no photo of queues then no gassings ???? so does that mean no photos of queues means no showers or delousings like he probs believes happens in there too ?
and evens if no photos then so whats ? we dont needs photos. we dont need huntnigger either. silly blokes.

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by NSDAP » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:34 am

AirfixGeneral wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:28 pm
what kinds of nonsense is this topics ? huntnigger says cos no photo of queues then no gassings ???? so does that mean no photos of queues means no showers or delousings like he probs believes happens in there too ?
and evens if no photos then so whats ? we dont needs photos. we dont need huntniggers either. silly blokes.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Nessie » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:37 am

NSDAP wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:34 am
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If you fail to understand the topic, then perhaps you might be best advised not to make a comment. I find your abuse of a forum member not welcome.
Then ignore it and discuss the topic. The date in question was a day with a couple of transports from the Lodz Ghetto. I have read, but cannot yet confirm, the sorties were early in the morning. That means the large group heading towards the krema could be that days shift of workers and the transports had yet to arrive. No wonder no queues were seen in the aerial photos.
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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by Huntinger » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:18 am

Nessie wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:37 am
Then ignore it and discuss the topic. The date in question was a day with a couple of transports from the Lodz Ghetto. I have read, but cannot yet confirm, the sorties were early in the morning. That means the large group heading towards the krema could be that days shift of workers and the transports had yet to arrive. No wonder no queues were seen in the aerial photos.
When one considers the large number of alleged murder victims (1 million +), there should be considerable lines of people walking to the claimed death chambers over a significant quantity of the allied fly overs. If there were murders limited to a few thousand then it might be understandable that there are no hard photographic plates to show the evidence.

In this case the lack of evidence is evidence really... ;)

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Re: Birkenau queues

Post by AirfixGeneral » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:50 am

Huntinger wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:18 am
Nessie wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:37 am
Then ignore it and discuss the topic. The date in question was a day with a couple of transports from the Lodz Ghetto. I have read, but cannot yet confirm, the sorties were early in the morning. That means the large group heading towards the krema could be that days shift of workers and the transports had yet to arrive. No wonder no queues were seen in the aerial photos.
When one considers the large number of alleged murder victims (1 million +), there should be considerable lines of people walking to the claimed death chambers over a significant quantity of the allied fly overs. If there were murders limited to a few thousand then it might be understandable that there are no hard photographic plates to show the evidence.

In this case the lack of evidence is evidence really... ;)
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how can a cameras used at say 2pms take a photos of a queues that formed at say 9 ams ?

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Post by Henry » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:05 pm

AirfixGeneral wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:50 am
Huntinger wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:18 am
Nessie wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:37 am
Then ignore it and discuss the topic. The date in question was a day with a couple of transports from the Lodz Ghetto. I have read, but cannot yet confirm, the sorties were early in the morning. That means the large group heading towards the krema could be that days shift of workers and the transports had yet to arrive. No wonder no queues were seen in the aerial photos.
When one considers the large number of alleged murder victims (1 million +), there should be considerable lines of people walking to the claimed death chambers over a significant quantity of the allied fly overs. If there were murders limited to a few thousand then it might be understandable that there are no hard photographic plates to show the evidence.

In this case the lack of evidence is evidence really... ;)
pss sorry admins abouts ruke break

how can a cameras used at say 2pms take a photos of a queues that formed at say 9 ams ?
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Two transport trains inside the Birkenau camp, May 1944

The photo above shows two trains inside the Birkenau camp. At the end of the tracks on the right side is Crematorium No. 3, called Krema III, where Jews were killed in a gas chamber. The train on the left has brought Jews up to the Krema II gas chamber on the left side of the tracks at the western end of the camp.

Source:https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Auschwit ... Jews1.html

The legend has it that in the spring/summer of 1944, train lines were extended into Auschwitz to offload c.12,000 Hungarian Jews each day. And that these 444,000 Jews were removed from the trains, sorted, and then sent in orderly fashion to wait in line for their turn at the gas chambers. Are you claiming that this process was completed each day within the 5 hours between 9:00 am and 2:00 pm with nothing left to see and photograph after 2:00 pm?

And are you claiming the Allies didn't take any aerial photos of Auschwitz before 2pm during that time?

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