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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by NSDAP » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:28 am

The loss of records means a loss of records. One may imply foul play but in a War like this record loss is inevitable. As mentioned I am still looking at the Einsatz camps for evidence of impropriety. Just forget about the gassing, who cares how people were murdered. Keep digging.... something new please not the old stuff we have all that. Thank you for your input.
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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by Nessie » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:00 am

NSDAP wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:28 am
The loss of records means a loss of records. One may imply foul play but in a War like this record loss is inevitable. As mentioned I am still looking at the Einsatz camps for evidence of impropriety. Just forget about the gassing, who cares how people were murdered. Keep digging.... something new please not the old stuff we have all that. Thank you for your input.
Your allegation is that the only records that have been entirely lost, are those which record the transports of c1.24 million people from AR camps in 1942 and another million plus in 1943 and 1944 from TII, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno and Birkenau to other camps. Records have survived of transports to those camps and about AR in general. Records of transports between camps and ghettos have survived. There is no way so many people could have been transported and resettled without leaving one single record.

Then there is the issue of not one single witness. Some 34,000 Dutch people are alleged to have left Sobibor, but not one can be traced who speaks to mass transports of those not selected to work. No Nazi who worked at the camp claimed mass transports. No Pole who drove the trains. No one.

The gassing of those not selected to work is the ONLY evidenced alternative. You need to be honest and accept that.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by Huntinger » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:14 pm

Nessie wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:00 am
There is no way so many people could have been transported and resettled without leaving one single record.

Then there is the issue of not one single witness. Some 34,000 Dutch people are alleged to have left Sobibor, but not one can be traced who speaks to mass transports of those not selected to work. No Nazi who worked at the camp claimed mass transports. No Pole who drove the trains. No one.

The gassing of those not selected to work is the ONLY evidenced alternative. You need to be honest and accept that.
Many did die without a doubt but many survived. Most did not arrive at Sobibor but were sent to the various camps as work dictated. This was so common place that it would not be noted: people then did not know that a huge hoax regarding the transports were to be a part of future altered history. Train drivers just drive trains. One does not hear of drivers reporting cattle movement, cabbages, corn or whatever either. It was just a part of every day normal life albeit in war. There was no gassing. Speculation is not proof. Hard evidence is needed not circumstantial due to missing people.

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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by Nessie » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:52 am

Huntinger wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:14 pm
Nessie wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:00 am
There is no way so many people could have been transported and resettled without leaving one single record.

Then there is the issue of not one single witness. Some 34,000 Dutch people are alleged to have left Sobibor, but not one can be traced who speaks to mass transports of those not selected to work. No Nazi who worked at the camp claimed mass transports. No Pole who drove the trains. No one.

The gassing of those not selected to work is the ONLY evidenced alternative. You need to be honest and accept that.
Many did die without a doubt but many survived. Most did not arrive at Sobibor but were sent to the various camps as work dictated. This was so common place that it would not be noted: people then did not know that a huge hoax regarding the transports were to be a part of future altered history.
The evidence contradicts that.
Train drivers just drive trains. One does not hear of drivers reporting cattle movement, cabbages, corn or whatever either. It was just a part of every day normal life albeit in war. There was no gassing. Speculation is not proof. Hard evidence is needed not circumstantial due to missing people.
Those working on the railways saw what was happening with transports to and from the camps. Full trains arrived, empty trains left.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by NSDAP » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:42 am

Nessie wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:52 am

Those working on the railways saw what was happening with transports to and from the camps. Full trains arrived, empty trains left.
Most trains leave empty when the passengers or goods are removed. I think it was mentioned a few times to you already but most of the passengers moved on towards Lublin. Only a few of the Dutch got off, the sick and the elderly it seems for respite care. I am uncertain at this stage if the carriages were separated and attached to another engine for Auschwitz direction or if the same train did a circuit to the transit camps. Many of the people from the transit camps were moved again by trucks it would seem to where their work is needed. The trains were just for the larger distances.
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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by Nessie » Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:21 am

NSDAP wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:42 am
Nessie wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:52 am

Those working on the railways saw what was happening with transports to and from the camps. Full trains arrived, empty trains left.
Most trains leave empty when the passengers or goods are removed. I think it was mentioned a few times to you already but most of the passengers moved on towards Lublin. Only a few of the Dutch got off, the sick and the elderly it seems for respite care.
The source you quoted about the sick and elderly said that all those not selected to work got off the train and entered the camp. The sick and elderly were put onto trollies. There is no mention of respite care.

You have cherry picked one part and invented the rest.
I am uncertain at this stage if the carriages were separated and attached to another engine for Auschwitz direction or if the same train did a circuit to the transit camps. Many of the people from the transit camps were moved again by trucks it would seem to where their work is needed. The trains were just for the larger distances.
Your invention of a new narrative is you promoting false news and creating propaganda. Your refusal to use evidence based investigation is a disgrace and it reflects very badly on you and the NSDAP.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by Henry » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:42 am

There are lots of Jews, filmed by the Spielberg gang, who say they went to AR camps then on to other camps by train. Can Nessie show the testimonies of the train drivers who took them away from these camps?

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Re: The Dutch Jews

Post by Nessie » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:45 am

The only camp I have testimony by a train driver for is TII.

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3080&hilit=kucharek#p115657

All the Dutch Jews who give testimony about Sobibor state, like those filmed about TII, say only small groups of adults were selected to work and the rest were last seen entering the camp.

Can Henry show the testimonies of those not selected to work, their guards, any train drivers and where they went if they were not gassed at Sobibor?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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