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Post by Vesoz » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:02 am

Signals Intelligence Bletchley Park....WWII..more here
Bletchley Park was where the German encrypted messages were decoded. The British Intelligence Service was able to eavesdrop on almost all German military radio communications from a very early date, shortly after the outbreak of World War II. British Intelligence Service also eavesdropped on radio signals transmitted by the German police, SD and SS. This enabled the British to obtain not only reliable information on events behind the Russian Front, but on events in the German concentration camps as well.
On 19 May 1997, the British government transferred the decoded documents in Bletchley Park to the Public Records Office in London, thereby making them accessible to the public for research purposes.
As shown by the Bletchley Park documents, the commandant of Auschwitz had to file a report every single day. With the exception of Sunday, these messages consisted of daily reports on population [Bestand], arrivals [Zugänge], and departures [Abgänge] from the concentration camps.
The decoded messages enabled the compilation of very exact statistics. The radio messages from 28 October 1942 – taking a single day at random – reveal, for example, that Auschwitz Concentration Camp contained a total, all told, of 25,298 inmates: 18,754 men and 6,544 women; including 10,755 Jews, 8,822 Poles, 1,369 Russians and 1,578 Germans. It was also learned that there were exactly 787 Zugänge and 168 Abgänge on 28 July 1942; Zugänge referred to the arrival of new inmates; Abgänge referred to deaths, executions, releases and inmates transferred to other camps.
With regard to the Holocaust, the Abgänge were naturally of particular interest. In actual fact, the monthly number of Abgänge in the year 1942 fluctuated in an unusual manner. While the number of Abgänge normally amounted to approximately 2,000 inmates per month, there was a great increase in these figures in July, August, September and October. For example, 8,352 Abgänge were reported for the month of August 1942.
As is readily apparent from the radio messages, this unusually high number of Abgänge was due to a typhus epidemic at Auschwitz. Typhus, sometimes also known as “camp fever” is, as is well known, transmitted by fleas and lice; under poor hygienic circumstances it will inevitably appear in almost any such camp. According to the decoded radio messages, it took the Auschwitz authorities approximately four months to bring the epidemic under control. The numbers only fell back down to the average figure of approximately 2,000 Abgänge per month in November and December 1942. This is from Bletchley Park Summary Reports ZIP/OS1 of 21 August 1942.
Mass shootings on the Eastern front were reported via enigma and so were the executions at Auschwitz. Himmler ordered that the number of deaths at the Lagers be reported to him everyday. Nicholas Terry, “Conflicting Signals: British Intelligence on the 'Final Solution' through Radio Intercepts and Other Sources.” Yad Vashem Studies 32: 351-396, 2004.

The messages deciphered at Bletchley Park undoubtedly constitute one of the most reliable sources on the course of events during the Second World War. They provide information on undertakings of the German army, navy, and air force. They provide an insight into the events occurring behind the Russian front and the conditions in the concentration camps. Since the reports from Auschwitz contain no information on mass killings, the question of whether the British Intelligence Service "knew about the Holocaust," can be answered with a single word: "No!" Or better stated: the radio communications deciphered at Bletchley Park contain only information regarding mass shootings behind the front, but not regarding mass gassings at Auschwitz (Oder behutsamer formuliert: Die in Bletchley Park entschlüsselten Funksprüche enthalten nur Informationen zu Masserschießungen hinter der Front, nicht aber zu Massenvergasungen in Auschwitz.)
How was the Reichsführer SS supposed to know how the “Final Solution to the Jewish Question" was progressing unless the commandant of Auschwitz regularly reported the fate of each individual incoming transport? It goes without saying that Himmler had to be informed of the numbers of inmates arriving at Auschwitz, being transferred to other concentration camps or being killed in the gas chambers. The SS Head Business Administration Office [SS-Wirtschaft-Verwaltungshauptamt] must have insisted upon exact statistics as well. Since it was responsible for all concentration camps, it would have needed to be informed, not only of the number of able-bodied, working inmates, but the number of unregistered, non-able-bodied inmates as well, even if only to justify the quantities of Zyklon B requested for the gas chambers as well as for the requested quantities of coke for the crematoria.

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Re: British Intelligence.

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:23 am

Thank you, Vesoz, for that excellent post above. It should settle the issue, once and for all--but we know it will not.

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Post by Bigfoot » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:50 pm

You cannot find it anymore with Google, they ignore the page but at this site, Bletchly park decrypts are presented and they support the viewpoint of revisionists very well
Bletchly Park decrypts... Decoded communications between the concentration camps and Berlin now available!..

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Post by Huntinger » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:57 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:23 am
Thank you, Vesoz, for that excellent post above. It should settle the issue, once and for all--but we know it will not.

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The only counter they have is that the Jews were decided to be gassed before they arrived and were treated as special prisoners. They were not tattoed or put through the books, just straight to the gas chambers and up in smoke shortly afterwards. A such secret operation in plain sight of everyone next to the football field LOL. This claim is such a leap of fantasy not even Tolkien would think of this. A total potential fabrication.
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Post by Werd » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:52 pm

Well here's another bullshit propaganda story. Clearly lies that originated with the Polish underground.
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028#_edn27
In the summer of 1942, the first Polish and Jewish reports appeared[12] alleging the commission of mass murder on an industrial scale in Auschwitz. According to these reports, 2,000 inmates were being killed in gas chambers every day. Since the number of Abgänge reported amounted to approximately 2,000 inmates per month, and not 2,000 inmates per day, the British Intelligence Service rejected these reports as war propaganda. Thus, the president of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, on 27 August 1943, wrote that the reports from Poles and Jews were devoid of all basis in fact:[13]

The allegations of mass executions in gas chambers are reminiscent of the atrocity stories from the last war, according to which the Germans were processing corpses into fat – a grotesque lie, which was immediately unmasked as pure propaganda.

The first historian ever permitted to examine the deciphered messages from Bletchley Park was Richard Breitman. In his book, Official Secrets: What the Nazis Planned, What the British and Americans Knew,[14] published in 1998, Breitman made serious accusations against the Allies. As indicated in the translation back to English of the German translation of his book – State Secrets: Nazi Crimes Tolerated by the Allies [Staatsgeheimnisse: Die Verbrechen der Nazis – von den Alliierten toleriert], he accuses the British and Americans of having known about the Holocaust from the very beginning, but of deliberately concealing this information. In particular, he accused Cavendish-Bentinck of rejecting the “Information from Polish and Jewish sources as invented.”[15] This accusation is, however, entirely unjustified. Why should Cavendish-Bentinck have accorded credibility to unreliable reports when he was in possession of reliable radio messages from Auschwitz itself?

That Cavendish-Bentinck rejected the credibility of reports from Polish and Jewish underground sources is all the more understandable when one reads some of the documents cited by Breitman. Thus, for example, he reports that “a Polish underground courier who had succeeded in escaping to London” had made the following statements on Auschwitz Concentration Camp:[16]

I lived a few weeks in Auschwitz.[…] Based on the information which I gathered, together with my own observations, I can assure you that the Germans used the following killing methods. A) Gas chambers: the victims were forced naked into the chambers, where they suffocated. B) Electrical chambers: these chambers had metal walls. The victims were driven inside and then killed by high-voltage electrical current. C) The so-called pneumatic hammer system: a pneumatic hammer designed to kill by means of pneumatic pressure.

Is it really so remarkable that Cavendish-Bentinck considered such reports unworthy of belief? Obviously not. Any similar report would be immediately rejected as false, even today.

But there is more: According to information provided by “a Polish woman with the code name Wanda,” "98% of all arrivals at Auschwitz were gassed.”[17] Auschwitz was a forced-labor camp suffering from a severe shortage of manpower, as the officials at Bletchley Park well knew. Why should Cavendish-Bentinck lend the slightest credence to the allegation that 98% of all inmates were gassed immediately after their arrival?

The British Intelligence Service had every reason to consider the decoded radio messages of the SS the most reliable source of information on events in Auschwitz.
So someone who was there in the camp saw things that didn't happen. Amazing! :lol:

ALSO CHECK:
British cabinet quote about atrocity propaganda

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Post by Vesoz » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:03 am

The last Commandant of Auschwitz was quite mystified with all of these gassing untruths. This was mentioned.

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Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:12 am

One cannot say enough about that superb essay by Christoph M. Wieland. "The Enemy is Listening." Here it is: https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028#_edn27

It belongs in the Reference Section of this forum. It is a pillar of the entire revisionist case against the holocaust hoax.

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Re: British Intelligence.

Post by NSDAP » Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:19 pm

I think it should be summarized and put in the formal propositions section as well. Perhaps Been There may wish to do it.
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Post by Vesoz » Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:58 pm

This is declassified from NSA:
THE GERMAN POLICE DECRYPTS
The most revealing SIGINTcame from intercept and decryption of German police Morse
radio traffic passing between the police units with the invading forces and Berlin. Under
the Nazis (and under the Weimar and the old Empire too) the German police were a
militarized, armed body often formed into regional or municipal battalions. These
formations, regular police (Ordnungpolizei or ORPO) in peacetime, formed the major
killing force in the mass murder phase of the Holocaust. Other parts of the Nazi police and
security apparatus included the SS security and intelligence units (the SD), the Gestapo,
the Kripo (criminal police) and the concentration camp organizations .
Einsatsgruppen and Police
The British records released so far
show little concerning SIGINT from police traffic before the invasion of Russia. Thereafter
we have this sampling of dreadfulness, taken from police radio messages intercepted and
decrypted during July and August 1941:
Police Group
At Slonin, Regt South
Minsk area, SS Cavalry Brigade
Cipher
1,153 Jews shot
3,600 executed
The SS Cavalry Brigade was merely an ORPO (police) unit that was partly mounted.)
Minsk area, SS Cavalry Brigade
Southern area, Police Regt. 314
Southern area, Police Regt. 314
Police Regt. South
Special Task Force, Police Bn. 320
Police and Security Service
Police Bn. 320
3,247 Reds and Jews shot
367 Jews shot
294 Jews shot
549 Jews shot
4,200 Jews shot
"Jew operation: 700
incapable of labor shot"
2,200 Jews shot
These sorts of communications continued, including the summary report of 7 August
1941 that 30,000 civilians (mostly Jews) had been shot by the police in the central sector
alone since the beginning of the invasion - small numbers compared to what was to follow.
SIGINT AND THE DEATH CAMPS
SIGINT produced no clear information about the genocide in the death camps and
apparently nothing about the gassings.
However, traffic in the readable Orange I Enigma
Key produced considerable, though misleading, information about the camps during 1942-
43. The British decrypted traftfo from some ten camps, including Auschwitz, identified_ in
the SS messages as .. Camp G." The GC&CS analysts determined that the unlabeled
columns in these messages probably gave a daily report showing number of inmates at the
beginning of the day, new arrivals, "departures by any means" and nationalities. But the
numbers, including those in the ominous "departures" columns, are relatively low. The
British Official History of Intelligence in World War II does not remark on this. To prop up the story it seems the NSA rely on two lie witnesses who miraculously escaped from Auschwitz (without explaining how)
In early 1944, two young Slovakian Jews, Rudoph Vrba and_Alfred Wetzler escaped
from Auschwitz and got their story to the Allies. They described in amazing detail what
was going on at Auschwitz; they named the SS officers in charge, described the layout of
the camps and ofthe gas chambers.
The Allies undoubtedly believed these reports, no doubt for propaganda purposes. Their testimony is here. The removal of the bodies is a different testimony from Tauber.
The chamber is then opened, aired, and the "special squad" carts the bodies on flat trucks to the furnace rooms where the burning takes place. Crematoria III and IV work on nearly the same principle, but their capacity is only half as large. Thus the total capacity of the four cremating and gassing plants at BIRKENAU amount's to about 6,000 daily.
Auschwitz, the largest of the camps with 20,000 prisoners, mentioned illness as the main cause of death, but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassings."
The decrypts are the most authentic information anyone could possibly want about daily camp life under the Nazis – yielded no crumb of evidence that any ‘Final Solution’ had been ongoing! Quickly, experts had to start started apologising for how British Intel had somehow ‘failed to apprehend’ the Holocaust. It did not occur to them that there was no holocaust.
read this for more information: http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/daily.html

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Re: British Intelligence.

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:42 am

How will all of this play out?

Will the Brits apologize? Will the Jews give back the money? Will America climb down from its pedestal of supreme righteousness?

Will it lead to a world revolution? Why not?

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