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WW2 is a complex subject

Post by NSDAP » Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:42 am

The real Archilles heel is not understanding the current situation. There were terrible tragedies in WWII but despite all the movies, the price the US, the UK and other western allies is of lesser importance than they realize. Nessie thinks the war was a clinical operation as based from the allied Hollywood perception: the holocaust claim also fits into this. Here is an interesting video from a real historian interviewed by a Russian. This may clarify the complexity of the situation. WWII was not painting by numbers. WW2 was much bigger than US & British-centrist view of the conflict.
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Re: The 'Achilles heel' of 'THE holocaust' - witnesses!

Post by NSDAP » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:50 am

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Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:37 am
I am far more aware of the complexity of what took place than deniers. For example, a regular denier claim is why did the Nazis have hospitals for Jewish prisoners when they were supposedly gassing them all? That shows a denier who does not understand the complex and varied policies towards the Jewish people.
This is true, people do get excited and make mistakes: this happened at Crystal Night, when we, sorry Goebbels had to use the SA to stop the mob.
Anti Semitic activity was world wide and not relegated to one European country: you know this. There is one simple truth which I want you to understand Nessie. If we wanted to murder all Jude, there would be none left, not one survivor, not one whimpering women, no children's camps and we would not have used Zb. If we were losing the war and had death technology, there would be no death marches, we would have done em all in. I mean you might as well be judged as a bull than a calf. The issues are complex. For Jude, as I said some are my best friends; that is a personal note. From my documents I do not know the emotions of the NSDAP members in those camps (SS)
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Re: The 'Achilles heel' of 'THE holocaust' - witnesses!

Post by Nessie » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:04 am

NSDAP wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:50 am
Nessie wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:37 am
I am far more aware of the complexity of what took place than deniers. For example, a regular denier claim is why did the Nazis have hospitals for Jewish prisoners when they were supposedly gassing them all? That shows a denier who does not understand the complex and varied policies towards the Jewish people.
This is true, people do get excited and make mistakes: this happened at Crystal Night, when we, sorry Goebbels had to use the SA to stop the mob.
Anti Semitic activity was world wide and not relegated to one European country: you know this. There is one simple truth which I want you to understand Nessie. If we wanted to murder all Jude, there would be none left, not one survivor, not one whimpering women, no children's camps and we would not have used Zb. If we were losing the war and had death technology, there would be no death marches, we would have done em all in. I mean you might as well be judged as a bull than a calf. The issues are complex. For Jude, as I said some are my best friends; that is a personal note. From my documents I do not know the emotions of the NSDAP members in those camps (SS)
But not all Nazis wanted to murder the Jews, hence the Danish Jews were able to escape, the Budapest Hungarian Jews were kept away from the transports to Birkenau and there was conflict in the Nazi hierarchy over the need for workers, hence the hospitals for Jewish workers in the camps.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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WW2 is a complex subject

Post by NSDAP » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:16 am

Nessie wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:04 am
But not all Nazis wanted to murder the Jews, hence the Danish Jews were able to escape, the Budapest Hungarian Jews were kept away from the transports to Birkenau and there was conflict in the Nazi hierarchy over the need for workers, hence the hospitals for Jewish workers in the camps.
National Socialism is not Nazism, I have written quite a few posts on this topic. I also wrote that the SA infiltrated the SS and other exemplars of Hitlers authoritarian regime after the "Long Knives", It was always our intention to create dissension within the Nazi hierarchy: why?, well we intended to take National Socialism back to our boring ways of normality and beating up a few communists. We were all Strasserists LOL and deeply hurt, it was a time of deep internal conflict: I think today there are other terms that psychiatrists or psychologists use such as constructive social dissonance. However, to answer your question or statement we created all the conflicts (hopefully) in that hierarchy and assumed we had Heydrich on our side. His murder took everything out. Just like Stalin is a part of the USSR, Herr Hitler is totally ingrained in the NSDAP: I support Mr irvings work on this man..
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Re: WW2 is a complex subject

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:39 am

Richard Overy taught us little about the "complexity" of WW2. The facts are simple enough but will not make any historian popular.

WW2 was a Jewish war of extermination against Germany and the German people--and it continues today. It began NOT with the invasion of Poland in 1939 but with the Jewish Declaration of War aginst Germany in March of 1934. The Jews spelled out their goals in various publications such as Germany Must Perish by Theodore N. Kaufman in March of 1941--long before Pearl Harbor. Kaufmann wanted to sterilize all Germans, male and female--see pages 90 nd 91--and to even prohibit the publication of "all books, newspapers and notices in the German language,..."

Some of been-there's recent posts make it quite clear as to how masses of Jews were literally screaming for another war against Germany as early as 1933. The ultmate racists were, and still are, the Jews themselves. Should Jewish racism be "tolerated" and even protected with nuclear war as Trump no doubt believes? Why? Can the entire world be fooled indefinitely into believing that Jewish racism and genocidal hatred are not behind the major events of our nodern history?

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Post by Aaron Richards » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:25 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:39 am
It began NOT with the invasion of Poland in 1939 but with the Jewish Declaration of War aginst Germany in March of 1934. The Jews spelled out their goals in various publications such as Germany Must Perish by Theodore N. Kaufman in March of 1941--long before Pearl Harbor. Kaufmann wanted to sterilize all Germans, male and female--see pages 90 nd 91--and to even prohibit the publication of "all books, newspapers and notices in the German language,..."
You mean March 1933. A sensationalist Daily Express headline. Turned out to be meetings where economic boycotts against Germany were proposed by American Jews, and similar marches held in Britain. To this day, no historian has managed to compile a book detailing exactly what level of economic damages Germany suffered by all these "Jewish boycotts" in the first place.

And who was Kaufman? Some insignificant American jew. A random twitter troll of his day and age. The only reason he became so famous (and continues to be among the fringe right) is because Goebbels himself found out about his published book and decided to use it for his propaganda. I believe at one time (during the final year of the war) more Germans had heard about Theodore Kaufman than Americans in the USA. Kaufman, without Goebbels, was a nobody in America.
Why is debunking decade-long research by revisionist scholars such an entertaining task for an absolute amateur? Honestly, I have no idea: http://siraaronrichards.imgur.com

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Post by Henry » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:36 pm

Aaron Richards wrote:
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And who was Kaufman? Some insignificant American jew. A random twitter troll of his day and age. The only reason he became so famous (and continues to be among the fringe right) is because Goebbels himself found out about his published book and decided to use it for his propaganda. I believe at one time (during the final year of the war) more Germans had heard about Theodore Kaufman than Americans in the USA. Kaufman, without Goebbels, was a nobody in America.
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Post by been-there » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:51 am

Aaron Richards wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:25 pm
Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:39 am
It began NOT with the invasion of Poland in 1939 but with the Jewish Declaration of War against Germany in March of 1934. The Jews spelled out their goals in various publications such as Germany Must Perish by Theodore N. Kaufman in March of 1941 — long before Pearl Harbor. Kaufmann wanted to sterilize all Germans, male and female — see pages 90 and 91 — and to even prohibit the publication of "all books, newspapers and notices in the German language,..."
[snip]...who was Kaufman? Some insignificant American jew. A random twitter troll of his day and age. The only reason he became so famous (and continues to be among the fringe right) is because Goebbels himself found out about his published book and decided to use it for his propaganda. I believe at one time (during the final year of the war) more Germans had heard about Theodore Kaufman than Americans in the USA. Kaufman, without Goebbels, was a nobody in America.
Were Ilya Ehrenburg, Samuel Untermyer, Theodore N. Kaufman, etc., representative of a now unmentioned international movement of Jews actively promoting and organising partisan warfare against the Axis powers??

Are we allowed to even ask that question?
No. We aren't. We all know that any analysis, no matter how rigourously academic, would be smeared as 'anti-semitic'.
Kaufman's book was positively reviewed by Time magazine and other American publications, and actually started a real discussion among some American politicians and writers about the forced sterilization of the German people. Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels used this book and the worldwide Jewish boycott as a pretext for identifying and interning Jewish Germans. The Nazis argued that the worldwide Jewish boycott in conjunction with the threats being made by Jewish leaders such as Kaufman and Wise represented threats to the security of the nation. Germany’s actions were actually eerily similar to the United States, which immorally deemed all Japanese Americans as threats to the nation during WWII and interned them in concentration camps. The Japanese also lost much of their property, but did not face extermination nor see near the reparations that German Jews received after the war.
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Hitler came back to his 'prophecy' concerning the Jews in a widely-transmitted speech in the Reichstag on 30 January 1942.
" 'Ich habe am 1. September 1939 im Deutschen Reichstag es schon augesprochen - und ich hüte mich vor voreiligen Prophzeihungen -, daß dieser Krieg nicht so ausgehen wird, wie es sich die Juden vorstellen, nämlich daß die europäisch-arischen Völker ausgerottet werden, sondern daß das Ergebnis dieses Krieges die Vernichtung des Judentums sein wird."
But when did "die Juden vorstellen... daß die europäisch-arischen Völker ausgerottet werden"?
What exactly was Hitler referring to with: "the Jews imagine that the European-Aryan peoples will be ausgerottet"?

An open and honest evaluation of the history would attempt to put this statement in its appropriate context.
Had there been a call by any Jew for such an ausrottung?
Kaufman's 1941 book perhaps? A racist and genocidal solution apparently seriously considered in American government and media periodicals (e.g. Time magazine). But was the Jewish Kaufman's proposal and appeal a call for mass-murder? Or elimination by sterilisation and dispersion/exile of a Germanic people?
Kaufman summarized Germany Must Perish! in the New York Times and New York Post advertisements as: "
A dynamic volume outlining a plan for the extinction of Germany and containing a map showing possible dissection and apportionment of its territory."
An interview with Kaufman in which he attempts to justify his plan for the elimination appears in The Canadian Jewish Chronicle in its September 26, 1941 issue, in which Kaufman stated:
"I believe, that the Jews have a mission in life. They must see to it that the nations of the world get together in one vast federation. 'Union Now' is the beginning of this. Slowly but surely the world will develop into a paradise. We will have perpetual peace. And the Jews will do the most to bring about this confederation, because they have the most to gain. But how can you get peace if Germany exists? The only way to win an eternal peace is to make the punishment of waging war more horrible than war itself. Human beings are penalized for murder, aren't they? Well, Germany starts all the wars of magnitude. Let us sterilize all Germans and wars of world domination will come to an end!"
Hitler prophesised:
daß dieser Krieg nicht so ausgehen wird, wie es sich die Juden vorstellen, nämlich daß die europäisch-arischen Völker ausgerottet werden, sondern daß das Ergebnis dieses Krieges die Vernichtung des Judentums sein wird."
"that this war will be not so, as the Jews imagine it, namely that the European-Aryan peoples be eradicated, but that the outcome of this war will be the eradication of Judaism."

"...sondern daß das Ergebnis dieses Krieges die Vernichtung des Judentums sein wird."
= "..., but that the outcome of this war will be the eradication of Judaism."

See that? 'JUDAISM'. Not Jews. Not "the eradication of Jewry".

For me, this demonstrates the deceit of people such as Richard J. Evans, (and this while under oath to be honest in a court of law).
And it also demonstrates in my opinion, the corruption of English courts that that such obvious subjective and manipulative interpretation - taken out of their historical context - of speeches and statements spoken in German, were used to demolish the credibilty and livlihood of a British citizen [Irving] accused of manipulative interpretation of German texts.
Oh, the Orwellian irony of it all.
Theodore Kaufman, was a wealthy American Jew from New York City. He wrote the book 'Germany must perish' in 1940, more than twelve months before America entered WW2. In the book he advocated the total elimination of Germany and German people. It started with this:
"Today's war is not a war against Adolf Hitler. Nor is it a war against the Nazis. It is a war of peoples against peoples; of civilized peoples envisioning Light, against uncivilized barbarians [Germans] who cherish Darkness. Of the people of those nations who would surge forward hopefully into a new and better phase of life, pitted against the peoples of a nation who would travel backward enthusiastically into the dark ages. It is a struggle between the German nation and humanity."
The first edition was published in the latter part of 1940 or early 1941, and the second in March of 1941.
Q1. So why would an American write such a book in 1940 before America was in the war, and then spend so much of his own time and money publishing it, advertising it and promoting it?
Q2. Why would a Jew write it, before the alleged 'holocaust' had even been decided, a year before rumours of 'death camps' were being spread, and nearly two years before the Wannsee conference?
A Jew who perhaps believed — as did Weizmann — that in 1940, Jews had been at war with Germany for the last seven years.

According to 'Nuremberg: The Last Battle' by David Irving, pg.42 Hitler read a translation of Kaufman's 96-page booklet in August of 1941. As a consequence of it the order for Jews to wear armbands with yellow 'stars of David' was introduced.

What better explanation than this could there be for Hitler's Jan 1942 statement about Jews wanting to eliminate European Aryan's?

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Re: WW2 is a complex subject

Post by Nessie » Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:55 am

The problem here, is that some cannot identify propaganda.

What we see here is that when a Nazi says something about destroying Jews, he did not really mean it, it is propaganda. But when a Jew says something about destroying Nazis, it is meant to be taken literally and he really means it.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: WW2 is a complex subject

Post by NSDAP » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:40 am

Nessie wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:55 am
The problem here, is that some cannot identify propaganda.
True so why do you continue to spout it.
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