The big lie — people coming out of it.

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Here a Jewish news agency acknowledges that the mass-deception is losing it's hold and more people are questioning the details of the enforced narrative of genocide in gas-chambers.

This news agency rather deceitfully does not explain the actual questionnaire in any detail but instead trys to misleadingly make it a "did it happen or not" issue.
When obviously some parts of the narrative "happened". :roll: That is not the issue. The question is how much of it happened of what has been made a compulsory belief.
15% of Italians say Holocaust never happened, poll finds

JANUARY 31, 2020

(JTA) — The results are part of the annual Italy Report of the Eurispes published Thursday. The poll by the non-governmental organisation probes Italians’ views on a number of subjects, including the credibility of the government, the media and history, this year including the Holocaust.

The prevalence of Holocaust denial [doubt] among the 1,120 Italian adults surveyed is more than five times higher than in the 2004 edition, when 2.7% of respondents said [they doubted] the Holocaust never happened.

Nearly 24% of the respondents said Jews control the economy and media, and 26% said they control U.S. policy.

Nearly two-thirds indicated that recent cases of anti-Semitism are isolated and have no bearing on the real scope of anti-Semitism in Italy.

About 20% agreed with that statement that many think that Benito Mussolini, Hitler’s ally and mentor and the father of 20th-century fascism, “was a great leader who only made a few mistakes.”

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Here's another person who has seen through the mass-deception.

It is one of the comments written under Striker's recent UNZ article that Scott just linked to.
As someone who, until recently, wholeheartedly believed the main outlines of the holocaust myth, I can only say that reading the Revisionist literature and finding it entirely credible, and then reviewing the so-called “evidence” for the Holocaust and finding it unbelievable, was like waking up and finding out that the Matrix was real. I have had to adjust my entire worldview, my entire understanding of the history of the 20th century.

More and more I realize the truth of the statement “History is a lie we tell to conceal our shame”. That such massive lies could have been told and believed by virtually everyone, including the vast majority of those telling the lies, has been an earth-shaking revelation for me. In the wake of this revelation, I have had to accept many other very unpleasant ideas as historical fact, such as …

1. Primary responsibility for WWII must be divided between Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Josef Stalin. Each of these men was supported by a small but powerful cabal within their own countries to start a war that the great majority of their own people did not want and that Adolf Hitler, the German government and the German people were desperate to avoid. The French government (and people) also wanted to avoid war with Germany, but were dragged into it against their will by the British.

2. “War-crimes” are inevitable in any war. War itself is a crime. in my opinion. The Germans certainly committed their share of crimes in WWII, such as executing prisoners of war, etc. In the main, however, the Allies were guilty of virtually all of the War-Crimes of which the German government, military and people were accused, and they were guilty to a much greater degree.

3. The destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City in 2001 was the result of a conspiracy of powerful elements within the U.S. government. Israeli military intelligence was almost certainly involved, but the incident could not have happened without the connivance and participation of the U.S. government. The buildings were damaged, but not destroyed, by the impact of two jet airliners. They were destroyed by a carefully planned and executed controlled demolition.

4. The press in the United States and Western Europe is controlled by their respective intelligence services in every important respect. The mainstream press says nothing to which the CIA, et al, would object and they repeat any story the CIA asks them to repeat. There are independent journalists, but their influence is small. In fact, the existence of a small and virtually powerless independent media serves to validate the idea that freedom of speech exists in North America and Western Europe while having no important influence on public opinion.

5. The United States of America is no longer a democracy and has not been a democracy for some time. This was accomplished so skillfully, that I cannot even say when our democracy ceased to exist. No populist politician can change this fact. The most that Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders or any other populist politician can possibly accomplish is to convince the American people that they have lost control of their government. However, even this limited accomplishment, as useful as it would be, is very unlikely.

At this point, the victory of the elites who have stolen the sovereignty of a supposedly fee people is so complete, that I cannot imagine anything that can dislodge them other than the total collapse of the current world system – and no one can possibly bring this about other than the elites themselves.

This collapse is coming, and it will be horrible for all of us, but we can at least hope that these evil people will be consumed by the fires that they themselves have started.

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Eric Margolis in a recent blog expresses some truths. He still believes some of the 'holocaust' history's lies, sure. But slowly, slowly the truth is being revealed.

Gradually more and more people are daring to not only think 'forbidden' thoughts, but are also expressing them in public.

The power of the big lie is diminishing...
Seventy-five years after the end of World War II, we remain fixated on some of its worst crimes. But only some. The incessant use of Holocaust remembrance has been cynically used by some on the hard right to justify Israel’s repression of the Palestinian people and the expansion of the Jewish state.

For example, Israel’s rightist government waited until the 75th anniversary celebrations of the liberation of the Auschwitz camp by the Red Army to announce it planned to annex 30% more of the Palestinian West Bank. Few outside the Mideast took notice.
We rightfully remember the horrors of the Nazi system. But what about a far larger, more murderous system that has faded from our memory, the Soviet Gulag? Who remembers Kolyma, Magadan, the White Sea Canal, the frigid winter steppes of Kazakhstan, the BAM railroad, and Vorkuta? Or the Soviet arctic mines where prisoners had to dig lethal uranium with their bare hands.

An estimated 10 million political prisoners were murdered in the Soviet Gulag during Trotsky and Stalin’s regimes. Some leading Russians historians say up to 20 million died in the Gulag. That’s well double the number claimed to have died or been killed in Nazi camps.

This campaign of mass murder and deportation began in the 1920’s and peaked in the 1930’s, though it continued until Stalin’s death in 1953. Entire peoples like Chechen and Ingush were massacred. An estimated four million Soviet Muslim citizens died. The Baltic States were decimated. Prisoners in the Gulag were worked to death and starved. An estimated 6 million Ukrainian farmers were starved to death by Stalin’s NKVD secret police and gangs of Red thugs.

The arch criminal who directed genocide in Ukraine, Lazar Kaganovich, was presented a Soviet medal for heroism. Stalin, speaking to Roosevelt, even called him ‘my Eichmann’ after the notorious Nazi killer of Jews. At that time, according to the late KGB general Pavel Sudoplatov, whose wife was Jewish and related to Kaganovich, Soviet Jews made up a large percentage of the Secret police and the officials who ran the Gulag.

None of the major Russian criminals who ran the security services ever faced legal charges for their role in the Cheka’s terrible crimes. Some, like Yagoda, Yezhov, Abakumov and Beria, were executed, but for reasons of murderous internal politics. Kaganovich, the murderer of six million Ukrainian farmers, lived into ripe old age in Moscow.

The Gulag camps were gradually shut down after Stalin’s death. But the draconian Soviet prison system remains down to our day. An important Russian organization, Memorial, still tries to keep alive the frightful history of the Gulag, as have many Russian writers, notably the great Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
But few in today’s Russia look back. Unlike westerners who see nightly programs about Nazi atrocities, Russians don’t see much of their past except for heroic programs on World War II. At least Russians know that their nation defeated Nazi Germany. Westerners still are falsely told that the Allies won the war at Normandy.

Equally important, the war propaganda keeps on flowing. At war’s end, British propagandists began a major campaign to emphasize the horrors of the German camps in order to divert attention from the horrors of the Gulag. Now, 75 years later, very few remember the Gulag, but everyone knows what Hitler had for breakfast.

The Allies were ashamed of having been allied to a regime far more murderous and cruel than the Third Reich. So Stalin’s crimes were played down while Hitler’s were accentuated and endlessly repeated.

In fact, we still have much to learn about the 1930’s and 1940’s as they are still obscured by veils of propaganda and half-truths...
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There is no proof that “increasing numbers” of people are believing in the Holocaust denial conspiracy theory.

The OP and others who think so are deluding themselves.

The actual opposite is happening - even former Holocaust deniers have given up and retracted their previously held views.

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The Marxist Corey wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:05 pm
There is no proof that “increasing numbers” of people are believing in the Holocaust denial conspiracy theory.

The OP and others who think so are deluding themselves.

The actual opposite is happening - even former Holocaust deniers have given up and retracted their previously held views.
So you keep deluding yourself over at Klowns. It is only in areas controlled by Juden that people continue to believe in the hoax to the extent you think. The rest of the world thinks most of it is propaganda. The posts put on this thread are not BTs' mere opinion but articles by people who have woken up to the deception. At the last data only 33% of the world thought that the alleged holocaust was factually described.
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The Marxist Corey wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:05 pm
There is no proof that “increasing numbers” of people are believing in the Holocaust denial conspiracy theory.

The OP and others who think so are deluding themselves.

The actual opposite is happening - even former Holocaust deniers have given up and retracted their previously held views.
Are you sure about that?

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Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:45 pm
A hero in the Netherlands on a frequently visited alternative media site: Holocaust revisionism.

The untold story about the concentration camps from world war two

About Leuchter, Luftl, Enigma code, Germar Rudolf, photo 'evidence'.

It is about time. We have to debate the holocaust.
Great! :)

The big lie is unravelling.
More people are coming out from under it's dominion.

Here is a translated excerpt from the above article:
Lüftl
In March 1992, prominent Austrian engineer Walter Lüftl came in the news when he published a report in which he stated that stories about the destruction of Jews in the gas chambers of Auschwitz and Mauthausen "are technically impossible because they defy the laws of nature".
After Zyklon B exposure, about 92 percent of the gas consists of hydrogen cyanide and therefore hydrogen cyanide still continues to be released, Lüftl noted.
So you have to ventilate for a very long time if you do not want to cause massive deaths outside the gas chambers, he said.

Lüftl also wrote in his report that mass killing with diesel exhaust gases is impossible.
He concluded that stories about gas chambers with diesel engines such as in Treblinka should be seen as disinformation.
"The laws of nature apply to both Nazis and anti-fascists," the engineer said. "No one can be killed by diesel exhaust gases in the way described in the literature."

Lüftl received support from the American engineer Friedrich Paul Berg, who said that a diesel gas chamber is not an effective way to commit mass murder.
On the basis of his own research, Berg concluded that evidence of gassing in German concentration camps is unsatisfactory.

Other scientists have also claimed that there were no gas chambers in the German concentration camps.
The late William B. Lindsey, a chemist who worked for DuPont for 33 years, testified in the Zündel case in 1985 that mass gasification in the camps was "technically impossible".
Dr. Lindsey investigated the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek and said: “I have come to the conclusion that no one has been deliberately killed in this way with Zyklon B. That is absolutely impossible”.


The aerial photos
In 1979, the US government released a whole series of aerial photos of Auschwitz and Birkenau that were taken in 1944, when they were fully operational. The photos are so sharp that you can even distinguish vehicles and people.

In the photos, however, there are no piles of bodies, smoking chimneys of crematoria or long rows near the gas chambers.
Carlo Mattogno writes in his book "Auschwitz: the end of a legend" about aerial photos that the Allies took of Birkenau on 31 May 1944:
Carlo Mattogno wrote:An average of 7,800 people were [allegedly] gassed every day, but there is no evidence of this massacre in the photos: no traces of smoke, no traces of mass graves, no traces of crematoriums and no traces of activity or vehicles around Crematoria II, III and V or Bunker 2.
In 1989 German aerial photographs were found in the American national archive that were taken in 1944 from the Treblinka extermination camp. The photos show that Treblinka was an extremely small camp, far too small for the hundreds of thousands of bodies allegedly buried there.

The aerial photos also show that the meadows where Polish farmers cultivated their crops were adjacent to the camp.
Geologist John C. Ball has analysed aerial photos taken from Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibór, Majdanek and Babi Jar.

He concluded:
“To this day, there is no photo evidence for the massacre of the Jews at any location in the part of Europe occupied by the Germans during the Second World War”.
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Here is a comment on the 'Talk' page of the 'holocaust denial' wikipedia article.
Somebody just linked to it on another Wikipedia talk page in order to cast negative aspersions upon the author's credibility.

It's six years old, but I think the fact a named wikipedia editor dared to make such a comment and hasn't been blocked/silenced/censored is a positive sign.
this entire ['holocaust denial] article is unreliable, and will always be so.
Mainstream academia cannot be trusted with an issue as political as the Holocaust.
I should be surprised that the editors here haven't realized this, but I'm not.

And editors here don't accept the IHR, nor David Irving, nor any other source that has an ounce of credibility and originality if they so much as disagree with them on the issue.

You aren't impressing me, because I know how much the revisionists have behind them, and how unable the other side is to address their claims.

And no one here seems to understand how important propaganda (particularly concerning wartime atrocities) has to do with what we know and don't know about the Holocaust.

I could go on, but I know I am falling on deaf ears. I just wanted to say this to anyone actually concerned with finding out what they can of what happened, and [if] they find this article and wonder why it is so terrible. The reason is because many are fooled by propaganda and by the power behind media to tell them what to think and what to feel.
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Newsweek 4 Dec 2018. In France, 20% of those aged 18-34 said they had never heard of the Holocaust; in Austria, the figure was 12%. A survey in the US last year found that 9% of millennials said they had not heard, or did not think they had heard, of the Holocaust. One in five Britons think the alleged Holocaust is a holohoax.

One-third of Americans think "substantially less" than 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, according to a new survey that highlights a worrying lack of basic knowledge about the World War II-era genocide. Der Internationale Juden are worried their funds will drop so much continue with the drivel.

The Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, or Claims Conference, released the findings of its survey to coincide with Holocaust Remembrance Day. They show a notable lack of understanding among Americans, especially millennials, the group said. These people have much to gain from the continuation of this probable fraud ; they are claiming the money and get upset when that money may dry up. This is corruption at its finest. The Public they are chastising may have better understanding than these probable con men think.
Here they expose themselves for their true purpose, to get more money from this absolute fraud.

The Claims Conference said there are "critical gaps both in awareness of basic facts as well as detailed knowledge of the Holocaust" in American society, stressing that U.S. schools must provide more comprehensive education on the crimes.
This means inculcation. Inculcation for shekels program.

The survey shows that 70 percent of Americans believe people care less about the Holocaust than they used to. A majority, 58 percent, said they believe something like the Holocaust could happen again. Never happened in the first place.

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Here is yet more evidence of how cultish, dishonest and delusional the media's presentation of 'holocaust' has become.

The following article is thankfully also evidence that more people are seeing through the cultish distortion and non-specific, vague, illogical exaggeration of this enforced and compulsory ahistoric belief-system.
Jewish man who emigrated from Germany BEFORE the start of WWII considered ‘Holocaust Survivor’

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One might intuitively think a “Holocaust survivor” is a Jew who actually spent time in a German concentration camp, but apparently any Jew who emigrated from Germany even prior to World War II and managed to “survive” the war in a country that the Germans didn’t even occupy now qualifies as a sanctified “Holocaust survivor”:
As the May 8 anniversary of Nazi Germany’s defeat in World War II approaches, Henry Wuga spoke about his past to Scotland’s Daily Record in an interview published Sunday.
Wuga, who was born in Nuremburg, was still a teenager when he fled Nazi Germany on the “Kindertransport,” which evacuated children threatened by antisemitic persecution in the late 1930s, just before the war broke out.

“It’s such a very important date,” he said of VE Day. “At one point, when I came to the UK, we had all been interned on the Isle of Man so we were all behind barbed wire thinking that if the war was lost, the Nazis would come and get us. It was horrible. People forget how much of a close-run thing the war was,” he noted.

Wuga managed to leave the internment camp and worked as a chef in Glasgow. When the news of the defeat came, “We didn’t go to the big celebrations in George Square — we just had a quiet celebration at home with [my wife] Ingrid and her parents after we heard about it on the radio. It was a bittersweet time as my mother was still hiding in Germany,” he said. “You can imagine what it meant to us that the war had ended.”

A month later, Wuga was told his mother had survived the war. “We were so happy. The feeling was unbelievable,” he said. “It took two years to get permission to bring my mother to live with us in Glasgow.”

Wuga vividly remembers the rise of Nazism, especially because Nuremburg was a center of Nazi activity, including massive annual outdoor rallies. “When Hitler came to power, you could feel the antisemitism everywhere,” he said. “There were only two other Jewish boys at school and they made us sit at the back of the class. It was terrible. At school, they would sing a song, ‘Two Jews in the water hollow, one Jew drowns, we hope one will follow. The atmosphere was horrible. We knew we couldn’t stay there,” he recounted.

Wuga succeeded in getting a place on the Kindertransport in 1939, and remembers, “When we got on the train to head for the Dutch border with all those young children, the noise was unforgettable. It was one huge howl from 150 children. I have never forgotten it.” He later met his wife Ingrid, a fellow refugee, in Glasgow. They married in 1944 and now have two daughters and four grandsons.
The internment or transit camp on the Isle of Man was not, as this article sneakily attempts to suggest by mentioning the dreaded “barbed wire”, anything sinister, despite recent attempts by Jewish “historians” to make it seem far worse than it actually was.

And despite the fact that Wuga was already 19 years old, a legal adult, he somehow managed to get on a train (Kindertransport) meant to transport actual children out of Germany.

And why wasn’t Wuga conscripted into the British army like other young men his age to fight the Germans on the killing fields of Europe? Need we ask?

And how did his mother survive the war living the entire time in Germany without, apparently, being sent to a concentration camp and gassed and cremated? No explanation given. Wuga clearly “survived” nothing.
How does passing the entire war in peaceful Glasgow working as a chef qualify you as a “Holocaust survivor”?

Jews were encouraged to emigrate from Germany in the 1930s, and most of them did. And most of those who emigrated somehow “managed” to get to a country, like Scotland, that didn’t require them to enlist in the army and actually fight in the war. Can the bar to qualify as a “Holocaust survivor” be lowered any further?

How do you trivialize a “Holocaust” that never happened?
Henry Wuga and his enablers have succeeded in doing just that.

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