The big lie — people coming out of it.

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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by been-there » Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:25 pm

And here is Ron Unz questioning aspects of the 'story' last August.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravd ... st-denial/
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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by Huntinger » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:39 pm

been-there wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 12:25 pm
And here is Ron Unz questioning aspects of the 'story' last August.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravd ... st-denial/
I like this passage
Lipstadt seems to approach history much like a Bible-thumper, but a particularly dim-witted one.
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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by been-there » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:31 pm

"When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth,
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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by been-there » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:36 am

This is a 'news' article from just under a year ago...
...more young people deny Holocaust, experts warn

By education correspondent Eleanor Busby | Sunday 27th January 2019

Far-right activity on university campuses is rising and Holocaust denial is becoming more prevalent among the younger generation, experts say.

As the number of Holocaust survivors continues to decline, and their first-hand testimonies will no longer be heard, the situation is likely to get worse, anti-racist researchers have warned.

Holocaust denial leaflets and posters, as well as antisemitic graffiti including swastikas, have emerged on campuses across the UK in recent years as more far-right activists target students.

And there are concerns that the scale of the problem could be much greater due to underreporting...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 47181.html
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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by Norm » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:41 am

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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by Norm » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:49 am

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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by Norm » Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:48 pm

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What happens when you look behind the curtain in this fairy tale:

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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by Huntinger » Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:24 pm

Lies wake people up...hopefully
We have all heard the following somewhat fantastic claims:
  • Steaming People (Prawning)
  • Burning people alive
  • Felling people climbing trees
  • Atom bombing people
  • Shooting people with ray guns
  • Chlorinating them or liming people to death
  • Shrinking heads of people
  • Recycling people into soap, lampshades, handbags and gloves
  • Electrocuting people on metal floors covered with water
  • Heating metal floors to white hot to incinerate bodies
  • Floors opening to dump bodies onto carts, or whole building moving over pit and floors opening
  • Pedal powered brain bashers
Of course each of these claims were quietly pushed aside. To this must be added two more:
  1. GIANT electrical chair used to roast 10,000 at once! This huge LIE was propagated by one Samuel Kassow in "Who Will Write Our History?". This chair operated at Treblinka II. See the image
  2. " A special air valve is inserted into the prisoner, the guard then pumps air into his victim," the guard would keep pumping air into them until they swelled up like an over inflated balloon and exploded while the guards of course giving the Hitler salute. Water can be used in lieu of air, as apparently it is less noisy (The Nazi New Order in Poland" by Jon Evans, published in 1941)
One must remember that the soap testimony at Nürnberg was given by Sigmund Mazur : case of Danzig Anatomical Institute.
Judges in the Nürnberg Trials accepted the testimony from someone who said he had worked at a laboratory that was involved in the production of soap that contained human fat. A bar of such soap was actually introduced as evidence in the trials.
The Virginia Holocaust Museum in Richmond shows footage of a Russian film that was played at the Nürnberg Trials. It shows Russian soldiers coming upon a skeleton in a vat at the Gdansk Anatomical Institute, from which it was deduced that the Nazis used human fat to make soap. Of course this is nonsense and now accepted as such but at the time it did have a ghoulish impact like the lampshades which captured the imagination of the people. The lie was so huge that it seemed possible that the Reich had gaskammer in every camp.

Slowly the world began to realize the error of its ways, with no help of Juden or the Soviets of course who were still blaming the Reich for the Katyn massacres. Even Elie Wiesel has said the following:
  • “In literature certain things are true though they didn’t happen, while others are not, even if they did.”
  • Some events do take place but are not true; others are—although they never occurred.”
  • Certain events happen, but they are not true. Others, on the other hand, are, but they never happen.” So! I undergo certain events and, starting from my experience, I describe incidents which may or may not have happened, but which are true.
This is no different to Herman Rosenblat rotten apple story when he said:
"It was my imagination, and in my mind, I believed it. Even now, I believe it."

Now gaskammer and death camps only reside in the Soviet area of control post war; the people who framed the Germans for Katyn, who also had 46 years to coerce people, forge documents, destroy documents; they had much to gain by demonizing the Germans.
When people see they have been duped and the control Juden are getting as a result of hoaxing the world they will no longer believe. This is why the respective governments are controlling versions of history by decree.
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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by Ambiorix » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:16 am

Huntinger wrote:
Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:24 pm
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Stutthof, Sachsenhausen, Gross Rosen were all liberated by the Soviets. As far as I'm aware no Western or neutral inspection was conducted in these camps.

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Re: The big lie — people coming out of it.

Post by Huntinger » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:33 pm

Ambiorix wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:16 am
Stutthof, Sachsenhausen, Gross Rosen were all liberated by the Soviets. As far as I'm aware no Western or neutral inspection was conducted in these camps.
When it comes to being annexed by Soviet forces the word "liberated" is not one that comes to mind, especially to Häftling.
I think the word "assimilated" is more appropriate. It is a fact that all of the Konzentrationslager were deemed to have been death camps, each with their own gaskammer.

As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Charles Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors.

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered."
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