Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Stout » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:42 am

Greg Gerdes wrote:
Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:20 pm
Nessie:
What have I supposedly lied about?
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#48 - The MAXIMUM number of the 16 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Sobibor identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 16
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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Greg Gerdes » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:36 pm

Roberto:
I can prove, with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts, that the remains of no less than 108,627 people currently lie in no less than 33 graves... at Belzec.

I can prove, with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts, that the remains of no less than 36,325 people currently lie in no less than 15 graves... at Chelmno.

I can prove, with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts, that the remains of no less than 25,343 people currently lie in no less than 12 graves... at Sobibor. [A total of 10 corpses / skeletons have already been proven to exist in the other 4 "huge mass graves."]
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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Greg Gerdes » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:24 pm

Roberto:
There is no such thing as a "Zionist lie about Ponar."

The bodies were dumped into several mass graves. At least three of them quite big.

Nobody claims that the Germans "magically disappeared" all the corpses,

they left a lot of traces behind,

cremation remains and incompletely burned corpses or parts of corpses.

The six graves mentioned in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ymAxQjLKmM


may thus have been three "walkthrough" pits and three shooting pits, only the latter being actual graves. It is also possible, however, that the "walkthrough" pits were also used as graves at a later stage (implying a change of the initial killing procedure),

so that there would have been six graves in total.

How many people would fit into each grave? Wehrmacht driver Pflüger estimated the pits’ diameter at 15 to 20 meters, which would mean a radius of 7.5 – 10 meters. The area of the pit would thus be A = π x r², i.e. 176.71 to 314.16 m². If the pits were 5 to 6 meters deep, the volume of each would be ca. 884 m³ to ca. 1,885 m³. As the pits were obviously sloped due to the sandy soil, the volume available for burial would be less than the calculated volume. According to Alex Bay’s calculations, the usable volume of a rectangular pit with the measurements 50 x 25 x 10 meters (= 12,500 m³) is only 8,502 m³ (roughly 68 % of the product of length x width x depth). A round pit’s walls may be more stable than those of a rectangular pit, but let’s assume for good measure that the usable volume of each burial pit at Ponary was only about 68 % of the calculated volume, i.e. about 601 to about 1,282 cubic meters. Bay estimates that at least 100,000 people, including a large proportion of women and children, would fit into 8,502 m³ of burial space – a concentration of ca. 11.76 corpses per cubic meter. At this concentration, each of the circular burial pits at Ponary could hold 7,068 to 15,076 corpses, three such pits could hold 21,204 to 45,228 corpses, and 6 such pits could hold 42,408 to 90,456 corpses. Given the aforementioned information whereby the pits may have had a larger area and also been deeper than here assumed, and that the degree of volume loss due to sloping was probably less than I considered for good measure, these estimates must be regarded as conservative.

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I posted photos which, together with German documents and largely German eyewitness testimonies (the latter two being the essential evidence, the photographs being mere illustrations of what becomes apparent from the other evidence), constitute proof of the fact that Ponary near Vilnius was a site of mass murder at which tens of thousands of people were killed.

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The Germans didn’t make the corpses of those they killed at Ponary "magically disappear."
Well then Roberto:
The MAXIMUM number of the 6 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Ponar that are mentioned in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ymAxQjLKmM

[At 0:23: "This is one of the six (mass) graves."]

that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.
Roberto Muehlenkamp's single numeric answer is: ?

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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Nisco » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:43 pm

Nessie:
By the 1960s, the camps had been memorialised and the bones and ash placed either inside memorials and/or reburied. When bones etc are found at AR camps during archaeological and building work, they are reburied. Bones needed to be reburied at the camps... those remains have been subsequently reburied.

If you do not believe there are large areas of ground containing human remains from Jewish people, you should produce your evidence to show there are no remains at the camps.
No Nessie, it's your nonsensical "magically disappearing jew theory" and it's your unsubstantiated allegations and you said that you have accepted the burden of proof:
There are buried cremains.

The witnesses at the camps all stated that the bodies were exhumed, cremated and reburied.

The evidence is at the camps.

I have always said there is proof of mass graves.

I have criminal investigatory, legal and court experience.

I do have proof mass graves were dug at TII and the cremated remains are still there.

Archaeological and forensic studies at the camp have found areas of buried cremated remains.

The gpr at TII by Staffs Uni shows that the original graves were not emptied and refilled without disturbing them.

Once the bodies had been cremated they were dumped back into pits.

The contents of the pits are still at the camps.

CS-C said they have found graves containing remains.

The archaeological work done has been scrutinised, cited and accepted by other archaeologists.

All of those studies found large areas of cremated remains buried in the ground.

I produce forensic, archaeological evidence.

I have accepted the burden of proof.
So what are you waiting for Nessie?

What are you so afraid of?

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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Nisco » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:09 am

Nessie:
By the 1960s, the camps had been memorialised and the bones and ash placed either inside memorials and/or reburied.

When bones etc are found at AR camps during archaeological and building work, they are reburied.

Bones needed to be reburied at the camps [and] those remains have been subsequently reburied.

The Sobibor memorial contains ash, cremains and bones gathered up from the site.
So all that has to be done is look at the bones and teeth that were gathered up during the archaeological "investigations" to estimate how many people were buried at each site.

Other than the so-called "ash mound" of Sobibor, where have all the bones and teeth allegedly been reburied / "memoricalised"?

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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Nisco » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:33 am

What are you waiting for Nessie?

What are you so afraid of?

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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Norm » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:21 pm

Nessie:
Ground disturbances... are likely latrine and garbage pits

There were smaller graves in the Lazaret area and that is corroborated by the rectangular outlines visible in the photo... The Lazarete shows rectangular outlines not seen any where else... explain, with evidence, how the rectangular outlines were caused... What is your claim about why the Nazis dug up that area in TII, what caused the rectangular outlines? ... There are smaller graves visible as rectangular outlines that were in the Lazarete part of the camp... What caused the large disturbed area and rectangular shapes shown in the aerial photo? The aerial photo proves that there were large areas of disturbed ground and rectangular shapes... what caused the disturbed ground and rectangular shapes… What caused the rectangular shapes? ...what was being dug to leave rectangular shapes visible in the aerial photo... What caused the rectangular shapes seen here; ...What caused the rectangular shapes shown in the aerial photo in the Lazarete area of TII? ...what caused the rectangular shapes? ...Can anyone answer the questions... a number of rectangular shapes, so.... what caused the rectangular shapes? ...perfect rectangles have been found... what the rectangular marks are. The rectangular marks... the rectangular marks.

The issue that is being dodged by deniers is that they have no evidence to explain what caused those marks... Back on topic, why did the Nazis dig up parts of TII, plant over them and leave large rectangular marks in the ground?
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So Nessie admits that ground disturbances were likely caused by latrine and garbage pits (he also posted a link which included a claim of a well being dug at T II), then asks "what caused the disturbed ground"?

That is a true sign of mental illness.

So let's see if Nessie can prove the following:

Nessie:
There are smaller graves visible as rectangular outlines... What caused the large disturbed area and rectangular shapes shown in the aerial photo? The aerial photo proves that there were large areas of disturbed ground and rectangular shapes
Which brings us to its next level task:

Overlay the aerial photo with the alleged pits alleged to have been located by CSC, and see if they fit into said alleged pits.
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Norm » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:35 pm

Nessie:

This photo overlays a basic plan of the camp;

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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Huntinger » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:34 am

Norm wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:35 pm
Nessie:

This photo overlays a basic plan of the camp;

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I can help here with this model.
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Re: Time for Roberto and Nessie to take it to the next level

Post by Norm » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:59 am

Nessie:
Here is what under the ground looks like;

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You can see darker areas of ash that are unevenly distributed through the ground. You can see lighter bits of cremains, also not evenly distributed through the ground. There are areas of ground that are just a sandy colour, the colour of the sandy earth at the camp. Ash and cremains, not evenly distributed on and under the ground.
Show me an ounce of human remains in those two photos.
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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