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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Charles Traynor » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:17 pm

Aryan Scholar wrote: Nowhere in the SS book are the Slavic people denigrated, and in fact many of the traditional Slavic nations are mentioned in text and photograph as being part of the greater European family. European nations specifically mentioned in this book include Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Italy, Switzerland, Slovakia, Croatia, Greece, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania.

The suffering of ordinary Russian people under the Soviet system forms a large focus in this work, and at all times great sympathy is evoked for these victims of Communism: men, women and children alike. Special mention is made of their awful living conditions, inflicted by the Soviet economic collectivization system, and always condemned only as the result of Communism.
I happen to have an English translation of Der Untermensch in my modest library. I can confirm the Slavic people are not denigrated in anyway within its covers. This booklet deals solely with the Jewish problem.

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by been-there » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:24 pm

Nessie wrote:I acknowledge the translation adds in words that are not in the original German, which is deceitful and I was deceived. Thankyou to been-there for pointing out the deception.

That does not stop the sentence "Lächerliche hundert Millionen Slawen werden wir absorbieren oder verdrängen. Wenn einer von Betreuen spricht hier, den muß man gleich ins KZ stecken" making it clear Hitler wanted Slavs absorbed, displaced or in concentration camps. Here we see a map from 1941.

http://www.history-of-germany.com/index ... as&page=2&

Poland has been absorbed. The ethnic Poles have no say in the governing of their own country. They were displaced from their homes, sent to Germany to work and placed in camps such as Stutthof. Just as Hitler said would happen.

Hitler also expressed his dislike for the Slavs much earlier than 1942. Have you read Mein Kampf and his plans for Slav occupied Eastern Europe?
You express a few words of gratitude for pointing out a grand deception, but yet you continue on in every other way as if everything else you know about Hitler, the German National Socialist Workers Party and WW2 was still correct and unworthy of reappraisal.

Think man!

Start thinking for yourself, and stop accepting blindly and uncritically a story that we have all been fed since childhood.
Acknowledge the ramifications of the fact that you don't understand German. Become aware that despite discovering 'Table Talks' was deliberately deceitfully translated, you are still going on regardless and quoting an English translation of Mein Kampf as if you know what Hitler wrote in German there. Face it, you don't!
You have been fed a distorted view of Hitler, of his speeches, of his private dinnertable conversations, of his intentions for Germany, of his peace offers to Poland, of his many peace proposals with Britain, of his war aims, of his hopes for Europe, of EVERYTHING to do with WW2.
We have ALL been fed this distorted Victor-version of him and of that generation of Germans. Not only that but also a distorted version of that generation of Yanks, Britains, Russians and JEWS. They were not heroes fighting evil. They were soldiers manipulated into fighting for OTHER reasons. And many of them were just as racist as any other person of that generation. And many of them turned out to be rapists too. And Yes, we have been fed a distorted version of Jews also. if you read General Patton's account of his experiences in post-war Germany you must admit the Hollywood version we have been indoctrinated with does not reflect the reality.
Can you really not see this and acknowledge the obvious truth of all this?

The clear and numerous deceits on just one page of 'Table talks' is representative of something much bigger than one page. You really can't see that?
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:40 pm

been-there wrote:
Nessie wrote:I acknowledge the translation adds in words that are not in the original German, which is deceitful and I was deceived. Thankyou to been-there for pointing out the deception.

That does not stop the sentence "Lächerliche hundert Millionen Slawen werden wir absorbieren oder verdrängen. Wenn einer von Betreuen spricht hier, den muß man gleich ins KZ stecken" making it clear Hitler wanted Slavs absorbed, displaced or in concentration camps. Here we see a map from 1941.

http://www.history-of-germany.com/index ... as&page=2&

Poland has been absorbed. The ethnic Poles have no say in the governing of their own country. They were displaced from their homes, sent to Germany to work and placed in camps such as Stutthof. Just as Hitler said would happen.

Hitler also expressed his dislike for the Slavs much earlier than 1942. Have you read Mein Kampf and his plans for Slav occupied Eastern Europe?
You express a few words of gratitude for pointing out a grand deception, but yet you continue on in every other way as if everything else you know about Hitler, the German National Socialist Workers Party and WW2 was still correct and unworthy of reappraisal.

Think man!
If you produced evidence then I would reappraise. But you don't. You just produce abuse and your opinion.
been-there wrote:Start thinking for yourself, and stop accepting blindly and uncritically a story that we have all been fed since childhood.
Acknowledge the ramifications of the fact that you don't understand German. Become aware that despite discovering 'Table Talks' was deliberately deceitfully translated, you are still going on regardless and quoting an English translation of Mein Kampf as if you know what Hitler wrote in German there. Face it, you don't!
Why do you not produce another translation which you consider accurate? That is not a rhetorical question. I want to know if the rest of what he said was wrong or not.
been-there wrote: You have been fed a distorted view of Hitler, of his speeches, of his private dinnertable conversations, of his intentions for Germany, of his peace offers to Poland, of his many peace proposals with Britain, of his war aims, of his hopes for Europe, of EVERYTHING to do with WW2.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. For example, your claim about his peace proposals has been studied by me and what he was proposing was peace with the British so he could continue war elsewhere. Can you understand why that was not acceptable to the British? Can you see the other viewpoint?
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We have ALL been fed this distorted Victor-version of him and of that generation of Germans. Not only that but also a distorted version of that generation of Yanks, Britains, Russians and JEWS. They were not heroes fighting evil. They were soldiers manipulated into fighting for OTHER reasons. And many of them were just as racist as any other person of that generation. And many of them turned out to be rapists too. And Yes, we have been fed a distorted version of Jews also. if you read General Patton's account of his experiences in post-war Germany you must admit the Hollywood version we have been indoctrinated with does not reflect the reality.
Can you really not see this and acknowledge the obvious truth of all this?

The clear and numerous deceits on just one page of 'Table talks' is representative of something much bigger than one page. You really can't see that?
Much of the information I have about the Holocaust has been from denialists. You may not have noticed by I often quote denialist's evidence and pointed out how it is actually evidence against them, not for them. I have seen how denialists use abuse, bullying, fallacies and other tactics to construct an unevidenced version of events, not just the Holocaust before during and after WWII.

Do not lecture me on how and what to think. I will make up my own mind and it will be made based on EVIDENCE. Show me evidence as to what the Nazi attitude was towards Slavs.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:52 pm

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... ensch.html

"As long as there have been men on the earth, the struggle between man and the subhuman will be the historic rule; the Jewish-led struggle against the mankind, as far back as we can look, is part of the natural course of life on our planet."

So who else is involved in the Jewish lead struggle?

"So they have tried to destroy what they hate, and from out of the vast deserts and endless steppes they have gathered hordes of their Huns...."

So the the Slavs work for the Jews.

"On the infinite a steppes of Russian territory lay Eastern Europe. A sharp contrast is noticed when comparing central Europe with this enormous space. On both sides of the border is the same earth but not the same man.
It is the man who makes his mark on the landscape, while on the German side is planned orderly fields yielding abundant harvests; the other side is only impenetrable forests, vast and unkempt, miles of uninhabited steppes where even the rivers wind endlessly through the nothingness.
This poorly kept land which hides fertile soil could be a paradise for man, a potential "California of Europe" alive with fields and fruit, but instead it lies neglected and wasted, lost to the abyss of cultural nihilism.
This land cries out against the subhuman and his wasteful ways! This fertile black earth watered by burning tears, is only barely separated from the rest of Europe. However its Eastern European masters have not risen above their primitive ways."

The Slavs do not look after the land like the Germans do, they are subhuman wasters. It is not just Slavs who are lead by the Jews;

"Mulattos and Finn-Asian barbarians, Gipsy’s and black skin savages all make up this modern underworld of subhuman’s that is always headed by the appearance of the eternal Jew."

Now it is not every single Slav who is subhuman and like the Jew. "Der Untermensch" holds the Jews as responsible for what has happened in Bolshevik Russia, but Slavs still rank below the Aryan and the Nazi treatment of many Slavs evidences that.

Is anyone going to produce evidence to the contrary?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Ilol'd » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:48 pm

Nessie wrote:"So they have tried to destroy what they hate, and from out of the vast deserts and endless steppes they have gathered hordes of their Huns...."
The eternal hatred of the subhuman for mankind exists; they envy the clean and noble character of man. So they have tried to destroy what they hate, and from out of the vast deserts and endless steppes they have gathered hordes of their Huns whose leaders Attila, and Genghis Khan descended on western civilization bringing with them violence, fire and death, to every part of Europe they came.
This Untermensch pamphlet is aimed at Jews and Soviets, not Slavs per se. Dirty, stinking, communists.

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by k0nsl » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:00 pm

This bit of text doesn't even make any sense. Who wrote it? Please indicate clearly who the author is the next time you litter this forum with more of the same manure.
-k0nsl

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I don't click your link. If you can take the time to press "CTRL+A" and "CTRL+C" then you should have time to at least do the same when it comes to attributing the author. This short little booklet is not exactly a good propaganda tool for you to use in order to defame the Germans (or the "Nazis") because it does not even lend any credence to your claims that the Germans thought Slavs were subhumans. Another fail.
Nessie wrote: [...]
Now it is not every single Slav who is subhuman and like the Jew. "Der Untermensch" holds the Jews as responsible for what has happened in Bolshevik Russia, but Slavs still rank below the Aryan and the Nazi treatment of many Slavs evidences that.
The Jew is a falsifier and a cheat! The Jew is congenitally corrupt! Shun the Jew! — Telemachus Timayenis, The American Jew: An Expose of His Career‎ (1888)

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Aryan Scholar » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:02 pm

Nessie wrote:http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... ensch.html

So who else is involved in the Jewish lead struggle?

So the the Slavs work for the Jews.

The Slavs do not look after the land like the Germans do, they are subhuman wasters. It is not just Slavs who are lead by the Jews;

Now it is not every single Slav who is subhuman and like the Jew. "Der Untermensch" holds the Jews as responsible for what has happened in Bolshevik Russia, but Slavs still rank below the Aryan and the Nazi treatment of many Slavs evidences that.

Is anyone going to produce evidence to the contrary?
Contrary to your lie about the National Socialists? The original book you are misquoting is the very evidence you are lying.

Why do you hate the German people? Who would insist on perpetuate such lie if not someone which hate the German people?

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:30 pm

Please evidence Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Aryan Scholar » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:41 pm

Nessie wrote:Please evidence Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.
Charles Traynor wrote:
Aryan Scholar wrote: Nowhere in the SS book are the Slavic people denigrated, and in fact many of the traditional Slavic nations are mentioned in text and photograph as being part of the greater European family. European nations specifically mentioned in this book include Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Italy, Switzerland, Slovakia, Croatia, Greece, Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania.

The suffering of ordinary Russian people under the Soviet system forms a large focus in this work, and at all times great sympathy is evoked for these victims of Communism: men, women and children alike. Special mention is made of their awful living conditions, inflicted by the Soviet economic collectivization system, and always condemned only as the result of Communism.
I happen to have an English translation of Der Untermensch in my modest library. I can confirm the Slavic people are not denigrated in anyway within its covers. This booklet deals solely with the Jewish problem.

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:48 pm

I have shown you that is evidence the Nazis saw Jews as leaders other sub-humans who were Slavs. There were also Slavs whom the Nazis believed could be Germanised, the absorption which has been referred to.

Do you agree that the Nazis had a pecking order with Aryans at the top, Jews at the bottom and Slavs and others such as gypsies in-between?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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