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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Aryan Scholar » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:55 pm

Nessie wrote:So you say, but you post evidence which supports the claim the Nazis regarded the Slavs as beneath them and nothing to show they were at least regarded as equals. For example, how many Poles where there in the government of Poland under Nazi rule?
100 Documents on the origin of the war, Deutscher Verlag, pag. 9:

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Source: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/ ... gs-POL.pdf

In 1934 the German government regarded the Polish government as equal when it declared there was a "direct understanding between State and State".

Then Poland was occupied by the Germans - the National Socialists in 1939; the Polish government was then forced to work in exile in London.

Can you tell why the Germans did not trust the Poles after 5 years of peaceful negotiations?
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by been-there » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:57 pm

Aryan Scholar wrote:100 Documents on the origin of the war, Deutscher Verlag, pag. 9:

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Source: http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/ ... gs-POL.pdf
Interesting. Thanks for this...
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by been-there » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:24 pm

Nessie wrote:
Aryan Scholar wrote:Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944: His Private Conversations, pag. 615:

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Source: http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/HTableTalk.pdf
Read what he says about the Ukrainians. Mould the best, isolate others in their pig sties, and anyone who complains goes off to a concentration camp. That is not an attitude towards people regarded as equals.
Here is the original German from which the English version you have posted was 'translated':
Als die großen Lebensräume abgesteckt wurden, war Deutschland in Glaubenskämpfen befangen. Katastrophal für Europa war der Moment, in dem Peter der Große St. Petersburg gründete. Deshalb muß St. Petersburg vollständig vom Erdboden verschwinden. Moskau genauso. Erst dann werden sie sich nach Sibirien zurückziehen.
Nicht dadurch, daß wir in die alten russischen Kaffs hereingehen, erschließen wir uns den Lebensraum, der Deutsche muß rein siedlungsmäßig auf einer höheren Stufe stehen. In einen leeren Raum sind wir nie gestoßen. Das deutsche Volk hat die südliche Ostmark absorbiert, und die nördliche Ostmark war auch bevölkert. Die Grundbevölkerung - die serbisch-wendische - ist jetzt noch da. Mit Slawentum hat das nichts zu tun. Das sind alles Grundrassen von Europa.

Lächerliche hundert Millionen Slawen werden wir absorbieren oder verdrängen. Wenn einer von Betreuen spricht hier, den muß man gleich ins KZ stecken. Zur Erntezeit wird man in jedem größeren Flecken einen Markt einrichten, wohin wir unsere Ramschware bringen. Auf dem gleichen Markt werden Getreide und Früchte verkauft. Hat einer etwas verkauft, so kann er gleich einkaufen. Für unser Produkt wird ein Gegenwert erzielt, der beträchtlich über unseren Gestehungskosten liegt. Die Differenz muß dem Reich zugute kommen, um auf diese Weise die Kriegskosten hereinzuholen. Die landwirtschaftliche Maschinenfabrik, andere Spezialindustrien, die Verkehrsindustrie, die Gebrauchsgüterindustrie erhalten einen gewaltigen Auftrieb. Der billigste und bunteste Kattun ist hier wunderbar. Warum soll ich ihrer Farbenfreude Abbruch tun? Ich habe große Angst, daß das Ostministerium die Ukrainerinnen zivilisieren will. Sie bringen uns einen gesunden Ausgleich, wenn sie in uns aufgehen. Da sind noch riesige germanische Volkssplitter. Woher sonst die blauäugigen und blonden Kinder? Was brauchbar ist, wird bei uns nach und nach umgezüchtet. Das andere bleibt hier.
There is nothing in the vernacular that speaks of moulding anyone, nor isolating anyone in pigsties. Nor does it say anyone will be sent to concentration camps for speaking of cherishing the people.
You have swallowed a calculated deception.
But... can you admit it? And can you acknowledge the deliberate deceit by the translators.
Lächerliche hundert Millionen Slawen werden wir absorbieren oder verdrängen. Wenn einer von Betreuen spricht hier, den muß man gleich ins KZ stecken.
Likewise, "alten russischen Kaffs” does NOT mean "miserable Russian hovels". It means “old Russian holes" or “nests".
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:32 pm

Aryan Scholar wrote:
Nessie wrote:Read what he says about the Ukrainians. Mould the best, isolate others in their pig sties, and anyone who complains goes off to a concentration camp. That is not an attitude towards people regarded as equals.
That is just Adolf Hitler showing his dislike for Slavs in a private conversation when Germany was at war with Russia.
Aryan Scholar wrote:Please, show direct evidence there was a policy in place which "Slavs were only just above the Jews in the Nazi racial pecking order".

Otherwise, stop to repeat lies about the National Socialists.
Hitler expressed his dislike of the Slavs and then Nazi actions speak louder than words;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensrau ... _polen.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensrau ... _Karte.jpg

Both show the Nazis were controlling the Poles and Poland was just to be another part of Germany. Those who could be Germanised would be fine, the rest would not. You are refusing to answer my question about how many Poles were in the Nazi run government of Poland. Why is that?
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:39 pm

been-there wrote:
Nessie wrote:
Aryan Scholar wrote:Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944: His Private Conversations, pag. 615:

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Source: http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/HTableTalk.pdf
Read what he says about the Ukrainians. Mould the best, isolate others in their pig sties, and anyone who complains goes off to a concentration camp. That is not an attitude towards people regarded as equals.
Here is the original German from which the English version you have posted was 'translated':
Als die großen Lebensräume abgesteckt wurden, war Deutschland in Glaubenskämpfen befangen. Katastrophal für Europa war der Moment, in dem Peter der Große St. Petersburg gründete. Deshalb muß St. Petersburg vollständig vom Erdboden verschwinden. Moskau genauso. Erst dann werden sie sich nach Sibirien zurückziehen.
Nicht dadurch, daß wir in die alten russischen Kaffs hereingehen, erschließen wir uns den Lebensraum, der Deutsche muß rein siedlungsmäßig auf einer höheren Stufe stehen. In einen leeren Raum sind wir nie gestoßen. Das deutsche Volk hat die südliche Ostmark absorbiert, und die nördliche Ostmark war auch bevölkert. Die Grundbevölkerung - die serbisch-wendische - ist jetzt noch da. Mit Slawentum hat das nichts zu tun. Das sind alles Grundrassen von Europa.

Lächerliche hundert Millionen Slawen werden wir absorbieren oder verdrängen. Wenn einer von Betreuen spricht hier, den muß man gleich ins KZ stecken. Zur Erntezeit wird man in jedem größeren Flecken einen Markt einrichten, wohin wir unsere Ramschware bringen. Auf dem gleichen Markt werden Getreide und Früchte verkauft. Hat einer etwas verkauft, so kann er gleich einkaufen. Für unser Produkt wird ein Gegenwert erzielt, der beträchtlich über unseren Gestehungskosten liegt. Die Differenz muß dem Reich zugute kommen, um auf diese Weise die Kriegskosten hereinzuholen. Die landwirtschaftliche Maschinenfabrik, andere Spezialindustrien, die Verkehrsindustrie, die Gebrauchsgüterindustrie erhalten einen gewaltigen Auftrieb. Der billigste und bunteste Kattun ist hier wunderbar. Warum soll ich ihrer Farbenfreude Abbruch tun? Ich habe große Angst, daß das Ostministerium die Ukrainerinnen zivilisieren will. Sie bringen uns einen gesunden Ausgleich, wenn sie in uns aufgehen. Da sind noch riesige germanische Volkssplitter. Woher sonst die blauäugigen und blonden Kinder? Was brauchbar ist, wird bei uns nach und nach umgezüchtet. Das andere bleibt hier.
There is nothing in the vernacular that speaks of moulding anyone, nor isolating anyone in pigsties. Nor does it say anyone will be sent to concentration camps for speaking of cherishing the people.
You have swallowed a calculated deception.
But... can you admit it? And can you acknowledge the deliberate deceit by the translators.
Lächerliche hundert Millionen Slawen werden wir absorbieren oder verdrängen. Wenn einer von Betreuen spricht hier, den muß man gleich ins KZ stecken.
Likewise, "alten russischen Kaffs” does NOT mean "miserable Russian hovels". It means “old Russian holes" or “nests".
I have put the German through a basic translation app and it does not say pig sties. It just speaks of absorption, displacement and concentration camps. Where did you get the translation from AS?

It still shows that Nazis regarded Slavs as inferior and that they would have to become Germanised to have any chance of a future in their dictatorship.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by been-there » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:41 pm

Here for the second time are the two questions you have just deceitfully dodged:
Can you admit that you have swallowed a calculated deception?
And can you acknowledge the deliberate deceit by the translators?
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:43 pm

been-there wrote:can you admit that you have swallowed a calculated deception? And can you acknowledge the deliberate deceit by the translators?
Yes. So AS needs to find a better translation of the table talks. The better translation still shows Nazi attitudes to Slavs as inferiors who need to be Germanised or they would be locked up or displaced. Can you admit that?
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by been-there » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:26 pm

Fail.

That isn't acknowledgement.

Get real. A book has been circulated in English for decades that deliberately misrepresents the words of Adolf Hitler to make him and his words seem worse than they actually were. Why would anyone feel the need to do that?
Think about that for a bit longer than two seconds, for the sake of your own integrity.
Acknowledge that in just one small passage I found numerous examples of deliberate misrepresentation. Imagine therefore how many are in the whole book!
And extrapolate from that how that has gone on in all WW2 'history'.

This should be a wake-up call to any honest person.

But no, you just want to continue on with your defence of your erroneous indoctrination regardless. This deliberate deception is such a tiny thing to you, that you use just one word to deal with it, and then only after it being brought to your attention twice.

Wake up! This is just a few examples in one small page that represents the microcosm of the whole deceitful WW2 macrocosm.
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:41 pm

I acknowledge the translation adds in words that are not in the original German, which is deceitful and I was deceived. Thankyou to been-there for pointing out the deception.

That does not stop the sentence "Lächerliche hundert Millionen Slawen werden wir absorbieren oder verdrängen. Wenn einer von Betreuen spricht hier, den muß man gleich ins KZ stecken" making it clear Hitler wanted Slavs absorbed, displaced or in concentration camps. Here we see a map from 1941.

http://www.history-of-germany.com/index ... as&page=2&

Poland has been absorbed. The ethnic Poles have no say in the governing of their own country. They were displaced from their homes, sent to Germany to work and placed in camps such as Stutthof. Just as Hitler said would happen.
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Re: Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs.

Post by Nessie » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:53 pm

Nazi Forced Labor: History, Legal Framework, and Structures

http://www.wollheim-memorial.de/en/nszw ... strukturen

"Classification in one of these groups determined the working conditions, food rations, and wage payments. The wages of the “Eastern workers” (Ostarbeiter, or workers from Eastern Europe), Poles, Balts, Jews, Sinti, and Roma were considerably less than the wages of other foreigners or of the Germans. Besides, Poles, Eastern workers, and Jews had to pay a Social Equalization Tax (Sozialausgleichsabgabe) that further reduced their net wages. Issuance of individual employment contracts for Polish and Eastern workers was discontinued in 1940. They were required to keep a permanent employment record, and this made it even easier to keep tabs on them and discriminate against them. In early 1942, the Eastern workers were also included in the “unique employment category.” Furthermore, Polish and Eastern workers were subject to the regulations ensuing from the “special decrees for Poles” (after March 8, 1940) and “special decrees for Eastern workers” (after February 20, 1942). The clearest expression of these provisions was the regulations requiring the wearing of distinguishing patches or badges: on their clothing, Polish workers had to wear a purple “P” on a yellow ground, while Eastern workers wore the letters “OST” (EAST) on a blue ground. Women were subject to additional repressive measures: For example, they had to relinquish custody of their children or were forced to have an abortion if they became pregnant."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_de ... ussia).png

"Anti-Polish poster published by Volksbund für das Deutschtum im Ausland (Association for 'Germanness' abroad) Gauverband Danzig Westpreußen"
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