David Cole's 1994 IHR Conference Speech

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Re: David Cole's 1994 IHR Conference Speech

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been-there, check the source on that quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASefton_Delmer
It was allegedly spoken in conversation with an antisemitic German professor named Friedrich Grimm and alluded in a later publication by him called Politische Justiz, published in 1953.

He himself however doesn't say this was said by Sefton Delmer, so chances are it is a false quote invented by Grimm.

Turnagain, if it wasn't obvious, I'm making an argument based on the documentary evidence - for my thoughts on scientific arguments see here
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Re: David Cole's 1994 IHR Conference Speech

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Admiral E. Rastus wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:18 pm
Loog wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:42 pm
To counter this, can you provide a single German document/testimony as evidence of mass migration after the summer of 42 that we might discuss?
Do you mean documents you'd claim are forgeries, or documents you'll have a hard time to?
If there is source information (as I can provide for all my examples) I don't think we'll have a problem.

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Re: David Cole's 1994 IHR Conference Speech

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Loog wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:20 pm
been-there, check the source on that quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASefton_Delmer

It was allegedly spoken in conversation with an antisemitic German professor named Friedrich Grimm and alluded in a later publication by him called Politische Justiz, published in 1953.

He himself however doesn't say this was said by Sefton Delmer, so chances are it is a false quote invented by Grimm.
Ha ha! :lol:
Oh c'mon, Loog.
Don't go into denial.

That is such a pathetically weak way to doubt the quote's reliability: that it was said by someone who was supposedly 'an anti-semite'. :roll:
If that is the criteria for judging reliability then ALL the testimony of so-called 'holocaust survivors' should be disregarded as they were all anti-nazi prejudiced.
Ok?

And anyway, this is just one quote. So even if you decide to choose to question its authenticity, what about the other quotes?
Or do you not know about them?
What exactly do you think Sefton was actually doing during the war???

And what about everything else I wrote. Have you any answer to that?

With this reply you start to lose all credibility.
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Loog wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:21 pm
If there is source information (as I can provide for all my examples) I don't think we'll have a problem.
Who is claiming there was mass migration post Barbarossa? Most of this happened prior and after the conflict.


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Loog wrote:
Turnagain, if it wasn't obvious, I'm making an argument based on the documentary evidence...
Oh, OK, documentary evidence versus reality. Can't let reality intrude on those documents.

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been-there wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:14 pm

With this reply you start to lose all credibility.
thanks, I am flattered you thought I had credibility before

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Re: David Cole's 1994 IHR Conference Speech

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Loog wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:35 am
been-there wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:14 pm

With this reply you start to lose all credibility.
thanks, I am flattered you thought I had credibility before
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Re: David Cole's 1994 IHR Conference Speech

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Loog wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:21 pm
Admiral E. Rastus wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:18 pm
Loog wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:42 pm
To counter this, can you provide a single German document/testimony as evidence of mass migration after the summer of 42 that we might discuss?
Do you mean documents you'd claim are forgeries, or documents you'll have a hard time to?
If there is source information (as I can provide for all my examples) I don't think we'll have a problem.
Sure. See Dimension des Völkermords, now available online freely: https://www.degruyter.com/view/title/308964 You can focus on the Österreich chapter and the table and corresponding footnotes on pages 78 and 79 respectively.

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Re: David Cole's 1994 IHR Conference Speech

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Admiral E. Rastus wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:07 pm

Sure. See Dimension des Völkermords, now available online freely: https://www.degruyter.com/view/title/308964 You can focus on the Österreich chapter and the table and corresponding footnotes on pages 78 and 79 respectively.
Admiral, do you know German? Can you quote some text from the chapter or a document referenced in the footnotes that evinces mass migration post-summer 42?

Or are you just assuming that such text exists?

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Loog wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:42 am
Admiral, do you know German? Can you quote some text from the chapter or a document referenced in the footnotes that evinces mass migration post-summer 42?

Or are you just assuming that such text exists?
As the Admiral mentioned, you were invited to peruse the table which is evidence of mass migration. One was provided to Riga and Minsk from Austria which I will reproduce below. 14, 654 juden departed to Ostland.
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