Birkenau: examining the currently accepted narrative

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Re: Birkenau: examining the currently accepted narrative

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Believe.
Don't think independently or critically. Just believe the horror.
Believe it, no matter how incredible, nonsensical, self-contradictory or physically impossible it may be.
To do otherwise is to be a 'bad' person.
You don't want to be regarded as a 'bad' person do you?
Then accept the horror of 'THE Holocaust' unquestioningly.

This photo will help you.

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See that? The railway line goes directly into the Birkenau camp. This should be enough evidence for you.

Here is another photo.

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Try and 'feel' the evil. Again, don't think about it too much. Use your emotions to engage with this photographic 'evidence'.

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To do this you might need to accept a complete reverse of reality, as in these clouds.
But what we vaguely and pseudo-hisorically (religiously) call 'THE Holocaust' must be regarded as so evil, that you musn't question this. Remember, any questioning IS ONLY done by evil people, who then must be hated, abused and branded as 'Holocaust deniers'.
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Re: Birkenau: examining the currently accepted narrative

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Believe in yourself
You really are the only one who can think independently and critically
Only you can find the truth and gain a real understanding of the so called Holocaust.
You are the good person who is made out to be the bad person.
Only you can resist the powers who control the narrative and question them.

Look at this proof of how nice Birkenau was, their happy faces!

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The lost and found department, full of happy workers, getting a good wage and free to go home at night to their families. One delighted lady has found a new washing up bowl. Another is packing her suitcase for a nice trip to see some relatives back in Warsaw.

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These women must be in heaven, look at all of those shoes. Women love shoes! Imagine spending the whole day trying on new shoes, wow! Thanks Nazis :lol:

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been-there wrote: .....

Try and 'feel' the evil. Again, don't think about it too much. Use your emotions to engage with this photographic 'evidence'.

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I am, I am, I am using my emotions. I found this picture, it is titled "Walking To The Gas Chambers At Auschwitz Birkenau Picture"

http://www.gopixpic.com/338/walking-to- ... z1111*jpg/

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How happy are they! So emotional.
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Nessie wrote:These women must be in heaven, look at all of those shoes. Women love shoes! Imagine spending the whole day trying on new shoes, wow! Thanks Nazis :lol:
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He he. Very good. Keep it up.

And above all remember that whatever a person who is described as being 'Jewish' says about the holocaust must never be contradicted. Especially if they were alive and where anywhere at all in Europe between 1924 and 1945. These people survived 'THE Holocaust'. They are 'holocaust survivors'. If they are inadvertently exposed as being fraudulent hoaxers and purveyors of racist, anti-German hate-lies, then they must be accorded sympathy, as 'THE Holocaust' was so horrific for them that they cannot be blamed for any bad behaviour.

Oh.. Er... unless they are self-hating Jews like Joseph Burg (Ginsburg) :roll:
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"Scrapbook pages" is a denialist site posing as a serious page for information about the Holocaust. I wouldn't quote it if you're looking for the "currently accepted narrative" among historians.

IIRC Birkenau was originally intended as a Soviet POW camp. The idea of using the site as an extermination area came about later.
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Useful listing of evidence about extermination in Auschwitz-Birkenau

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ce-on.html
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been-there wrote:......
He he. Very good. Keep it up.

And above all remember that whatever a person who is described as being 'Jewish' says about the holocaust must never be contradicted. Especially if they were alive and where anywhere at all in Europe between 1924 and 1945. These people survived 'THE Holocaust'. They are 'holocaust survivors'. If they are inadvertently exposed as being fraudulent hoaxers and purveyors of racist, anti-German hate-lies, then they must be accorded sympathy, as 'THE Holocaust' was so horrific for them that they cannot be blamed for any bad behaviour.

Oh.. Er... unless they are self-hating Jews like Joseph Burg (Ginsburg) :roll:
Ah, so there are exceptions, as you have previously accepted. Contradicting Jewish testimony is done by other Jews, historians and us on these debate forums. You are lying again.
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been-there wrote:This is the Jewish Virtual Library's article on the Birkenau Camp Kommandant who was allegedly in charge and responsible for the mass-murder of 100s of 1,000s of 'Jews' at Birkenau.
Friedrich “Fritz” Hartjenstein
(1905 - 1954)

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Friedrich "Fritz" Hartjenstein was an SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer (Lieutenant Colonel).

In 1942 he was appointed the commandant of Birkenau, the [alleged] death camp in Auschwitz.
He was [allegedly] responsible there for hundreds of thousands of gassings.

Hartjenstein's postwar fate consisted of many trials.
First, he was arrested by the British and sentenced to life imprisonment on June 1, 1946, at Wuppertal for executing four resistance members.
Then he was again tried by the British for hanging a POW who was a member of the Royal Air Force and sentenced to death by firing squad on June 5 of that year.
He was then extradited to France, where he was tried for his crimes at Natzweiler and sentenced to death.
He [allegedly] died of a heart attack while awaiting execution on October 20, 1954.
He was kommandant at Birkenau from 22 November 1943 to May 1944. (Though the above article claims it was from 1942).
And yet after the war he was tried and convicted for:
- executing four resistance members,
- hanging a POW who was a member of the Royal Air Force,
- other unspecified crimes at Natzweiler camp.

Hmmmm?
So nobody at the time thought his THREE trials for executions of FOUR SOE agents and ONE PoW, and other unsecified 'crimes' during his time in charge at the only camp on French soil were rather insignificant compared to the alleged GREATEST crime in known history that he was supposed to have been a key participant in, at the epicentre of the horror symbol of the genocide?! I.e. HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of executions at Birkenau?
:o
Curiouser and curiouser. (appropriate 'Alice in wonderland' reference)
No 'holocaust'-true-believer got an explanation for this then?
Both of the resident 'believers' who have replied, dodged it.
How very revealing.

OK. I understand. Just believe.
Sure. Just ignore anything that doesn't fit your cherished belief system.
Don't worry, no-one will mind. On the contrary. Other true-believers will be grateful. Certainly... Don't shake anyone else's faith by admitting any errors, flaws or complete aberrations of reality.
You are after-all the new ubermensch who must defend and justify an ethnic cleansing, racial purity laws, and decades long acquisition of lebensraum for an ubermensch people in the Middle East by reminding everyone of the necessity of unquestioning belief in what is unspecifically called 'THE Holocaust'.

So... er... best not to read this then
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