Yoram Haimi claims to have found Sobibor gas chambers

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Yoram Haimi claims to have found Sobibor gas chambers

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Yoram Haimi has again claimed to have found Sobibor "gas chambers". At least this time there is actually something to look at as opposed to the other times he's claimed this:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/71-years-l ... unearthed/

I liked the previous video of Haimi pacing over bare ground with strings declaring his last "gas chamber" find! :D Anyone know where that video is? It ranks right up there with Sturdy Colls' star-of-David tiles.

I suspect Nessie will reject this one ... no shark's tooth has been found yet.

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I just read this at Ha’aretz and was about to post, thanks for doing it blake 121666.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jew ... m-1.616331

What I would like to know is where this new find is located in relation to the “One, two, three” string “Gaskammer”, or to where witnesses said the bath house was located.

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It is interesting that Sobibor was given the same treatment as TII.

".... the Nazis leveled the camp. They later planted crops over the site to hide the evidence."

Only very specific camps were destroyed and covered over.
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I see most of the stories about this, and the archaeologist Haimi [see ITN video on link] are still claiming a minimum of 250,000 were killed at Sobibor.

As Thomas Kues previously pointed out [2013: 995; 1034-5], if someone still claims more than 170,000 were killed at Sobibor, it means they have to question the reliability of the Hoefle intercept and by extension the Korherr report.
We just wish to point out to the court that is not a signed sworn statement of Dr. Bender but merely a translation of an alleged or purported statement of Dr. Bender, the original of which, like many other things, is not to be found today.
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theblackrabbitofinlé wrote:I see most of the stories about this, and the archaeologist Haimi [see ITN video on link] are still claiming a minimum of 250,000 were killed at Sobibor.

As Thomas Kues previously pointed out [2013: 995; 1034-5], if someone still claims more than 170,000 were killed at Sobibor, it means they have to question the reliability of the Hoefle intercept and by extension the Korherr report.
The Hofle Telegram was sent on 11 Jan 1943 stating that to the week before there had been 101,370 arrivals at Sobibor. The camp opened in May 1942, so that is about 7 months to kill just over 100,000. It then closed over 9 months later in October 1943. Time to kill another 150,000 Jews. Total, about 250,000.
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Nessie wrote:The Hofle Telegram was sent on 11 Jan 1943 stating that to the week before there had been 101,370 arrivals at Sobibor. The camp opened in May 1942, so that is about 7 months to kill just over 100,000. It then closed over 9 months later in October 1943. Time to kill another 150,000 Jews. Total, about 250,000.
You really are an idiot Nessie.
We just wish to point out to the court that is not a signed sworn statement of Dr. Bender but merely a translation of an alleged or purported statement of Dr. Bender, the original of which, like many other things, is not to be found today.
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theblackrabbitofinlé wrote:
Nessie wrote:The Hofle Telegram was sent on 11 Jan 1943 stating that to the week before there had been 101,370 arrivals at Sobibor. The camp opened in May 1942, so that is about 7 months to kill just over 100,000. It then closed over 9 months later in October 1943. Time to kill another 150,000 Jews. Total, about 250,000.
You really are an idiot Nessie.
Are you being sarcastic?
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Nessie wrote:
theblackrabbitofinlé wrote:
Nessie wrote:The Hofle Telegram was sent on 11 Jan 1943 stating that to the week before there had been 101,370 arrivals at Sobibor. The camp opened in May 1942, so that is about 7 months to kill just over 100,000. It then closed over 9 months later in October 1943. Time to kill another 150,000 Jews. Total, about 250,000.
You really are an idiot Nessie.
Are you being sarcastic?
Nope.
We just wish to point out to the court that is not a signed sworn statement of Dr. Bender but merely a translation of an alleged or purported statement of Dr. Bender, the original of which, like many other things, is not to be found today.
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Table 2: Victim numbers claimed for Sobibór
2,000,000 Zelda Metz,. Stanisáaw Szmajzner
1,000,000 N.Blumental
800,000 Kurt Ticho, Ch. Engel and S. Engel-Wijnberg
600,000 Yuri Suhl
500,000 I.Ehrenburg, V.Grossman
*350,000 Erich Bauer, 1962
300,000 Léon Poliakov
250,000 Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Wolfgang Scheffler
200,000 Raul Hilberg
170,000 Jules Schelvis
*110,000 Karl Frenzel,1987
*50,000 to 70,000 Karl Frenzel,1966
30,000–35,000 Jean-Claude Pressac
*25,000–30,000 Hubert Gomerski,1950
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I don't get it. Can someone explain?
This is the claimed evidence of a recently discovered 'gas chamber':

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A line of bricks is evidence of a wall.
What is it about these bricks that proves they were a wall of a homicidal 'gas chamber'?

Is it that they are located in an area that was claimed to be the site of such a 'chamber'? If so who made that initial claim?

http://bethyeshoua.files.wordpress.com/ ... obibor.jpg

http://www.deathcamps.org/sobibor/maps.html
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