Vesoz wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:42 am
I should imagine you [Frankie ?] are on ignore, but there are links above somewhere I noticed. Germar claims 3000 ppm should do it but that is 10 times the amount needed it would seem. This is like executing someone by putting 10 bullets in the head instead of just one. Hanging a person 10 times. Cutting of their head 10 times. Indeed shooting them first then hanging them. Seems Germar was using the US gassing model of concentration and not the potential one which is significantly less in the amount of product used.
Rudolf's argument here is essentially that in order to realize the accounts according to the lie-witness testimony, i.e., getting a mass-gassing to work in record time merely by pouring Zyklon-B insecticide into cold or room-temperature subterranean morgues, you would have to dump ten times more product than you needed for whatever dose you wanted because Zyklon-B releases HCN, its active ingredient, S-L-O-W-L-Y.
This was a feature of the Zyklon-B product's design to aid in the safety and practicality of the vermin fumigation process. It also takes some time for the HCN gas once liberated to propagate throughout the chamber to quickly kill everybody, so in theory that would require overdosing as well to get sufficient coverage in short order.
This is of course ABSURD
--nobody would waste this much valuable product that is otherwise desperately needed for legitimate pest fumigation--so we know that the lie-witness testimony is bunk at best. We will call this massive overdosing the "Rube Goldberg method" of gassing the Jews. However, massive overdosing would be the only way to make this narrative work as the lie-witnesses claimed.
With respect to the U.S. execution gaschambers, their design criteria was to meet an objective to execute a death sentence "humanely" by generating a massive overdose (ca. 2500-3000 ppm) very rapidly using the "HCN and acid crockpot method" so that the prisoner is overcome and euthanized as rapidly as possible. It still might take 18 minutes for the condemned person's heart to stop beating, but these dosages do give us some baseline data. However, since most Liberals consider capital punishment to be inhumane under any circumstances, legal or not, some of the claims made regarding execution by lethal gas are moralistically value-laden and therefore questionable at best.
Under actual and practical fumigation circumstances, Zyklon-B is NOT EXPLOSIVE
, according to the manufacturer handbooks and expert fumigators--nor is there any explosion danger in gaschamber executions as used in United States prisons. And this for the same reason that it is generally safe to cook with combustible gas in your home kitchen. Any explosion risk here is massively overblown by those who have marketed themselves as experts on "humane" and "safe" executions with lethal gas. Fred Leuchter also called himself an "Engineer," but this belied many technical flubs that simply should not have been made by any competent expert.
With the "KREISLAUF"
method of hot air-gas circulation--the method used S-A-F-E-L-Y
in wartime Germany to fumigate the clothing and goods of 25 million people during the last year of the war--a minimal dosage of Zyklon-B fumigation product is needed. Simply put, the dosage of HCN is driven from its inert carrier material by warm-air blown through the Zyklon-B granules, and the air and gas mixture is then circulated inside the gaschamber and flows freely for a minimal period of time for good measure of dosage and exposure at well below the lower explosion threshold of concentration--before the HCN gas and air mixture is finally exhausted harmlessly out to the atmosphere
This Kreislauf (circulation) method was the state-of-the-art in fumigation technology used before and during the war, and strikingly, it was used in many concentration camps. So the "Rube Goldberg" scenarios do not add up in any sense whatsoever.
But the Kreislauf (circulation) method has NEVER BEEN CLAIMED
to have actually been used procedurally to gas people, legally or otherwise. This is a huge gaff on the part of the lie-witnesses and those who wished to push the narrative that Nazi Germany gassed the Jews in the first place.
If the homicidal gassing story were true, certainly the Germans would have used established modern procedures--like they were already using for fumigations elsewhere, including in their concentration camps--and certainly not resorting to bizarre and wasteful "Rube Goldberg" methods for no clear reason.
You start by assuming that the WHEEL
will be made ROUND
, according to well-developed technological practices. You don't claim that the wheel was made SQUARE
just to custom-fit crazy lie-witness testimony about how technology is IMAGINED
and not APPLIED
Hoaxsterism is indeed a desperate and deluded business.
Hoaxster reasoning always resorts to trying to pound square pegs into round holes. The atrocity-propaganda narrative that we know today as the HolocaustTM
, has become internalized into Liberal and Jewish MYTHOLOGY
of Virtue-by-Victimization--and many dumb and crazy people honestly try to argue that this atrocity-rich mythology follows from facts instead of the reverse. This is nothing but a huge circular evidence problem of the worst sort.
And that, folks, is why we calls it Hoax.
No conspiracy-theory is needed here--not any more than Urban Legends need a conspiracy-theory for people to believe and even to promote them.