Did Fred Leuchter actually write this:--

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Below is a pretty horrible autobot translation into English, but Revisionist Carlo Mattogno agrees that Leuchter (or any other Revisionist for that matter) is NOT above criticism.

To paraphrase, the idea that "criticism" for Revisionists is the same as "denigration" is absurd.

For Revisionists this point is only exacerbated by the fact that the Holo-cult crowd insist that any criticism of their saints is denigration--or Denial, as they call it--which Revisionists object to since they claim the right to question the mythology.

That is, Revisionists by definition claim the right to question or criticize--at least any B.S. that is not their own, LOL.

Here is the last part of Mattogno's comments...

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Now you have to wonder: the documented critique of a revisionist writer against another writer revisionist itself constitute a denigration?

If so, revisionism would have worked for decades in vain, indeed, so nefarious, only for a sostuituire with a dogmatic dogmatic Holocaust revisionist.

To pretend that Fred Leuchter, by virtue of unjustified persecution he suffered, not be criticized but only denigrabile, is an aggravating factor, because exactly what the [H]olocultori say about their witnesses, any criticism which, as documented, is considered by them just a denigration.

You can not claim the freedom to criticize intolerance within and outside the practice, because it would be the suicide of revisionism.

Carlo Mattogno.
January 8, 2011


So Intolerance is a two-way street. Good stuff. As intellectual nonconformists themselves, Revisionists especially shouldn't need to be reminded of that.

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been-there wrote:
Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:Why can't we just discuss these things nicely and be friends? That seems to be been-there's point on RODOH. ...I did not realize it until the email exchanges of the last few days--but Leuchter really is out of his effen mind
...Leuchter's claims are far, far beyond ordinary stupidity. Saying Leuchter is "mindless" was a rather tame way to answer or describe such lunacy.

When Leuchter focused attention on the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz and Birkenau, he did something enormously valuable and stimulated further serious work. But when he generalises to claim that mass gassings are impossible under any circumstances, anywhere, ever -- he goes far beyond his own extremely specialised and limited grasp of technology and reality. Somehow, holocaust revisionism needs to grow-up.

Friedrich Paul Berg
I'm not suggesting "be friends". I'm questioning why be so disrespectful and insulting? Are these people now your enemies?

Clearly Fred Leuchter is not "insane" nor a "lunatic". And I'm sure you yourself don't belive that he is. PLUS he DID do -- as you acknowledged -- valuable, ground-breaking work in exposing aspects of the holocaust 'mass-gassing at Auschwitz' mythology and paid the personal price for that.
As you yourself write on your website, he deserves our eternal respect for that. Why exaggerate your disagreement with him on other issues by calling into question his sanity?

Similarly with Toben, Faurisson and Butz. As you yourself wrote, these people deserve respect for being some of the first trail-blazing whistle-blowers on the whole conspiracy-of-enforced-silence regarding this event in history.
As do you yourself also deserve our respect. You certainly have mine.

I'm just requesting and respectfully suggesting that you confine your answers to explaining how you see the differences of view. You thereby invite and enhance the chance of better mutual understanding. THat will help people like me who have no engineering knowledge.

Attack the arguments NOT the persons making them.

Unless it is someone who obstinately and dishonestly refuses to engage in geunuine debate, I see no need nor benefit to attack so personally and so consistently insultingly.
The main thing here is when does valid 'criticism' become worthless, ad hominem 'denigration'? At what stage? At what point? What is the limit of fair and valid 'criticism'?

I think BOTH sides of this have something to learn. NOT just Fred Leuchter.
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When a person says in effect that "this is the truth because I say it is and I am an expert without peer" they have made themselves and their "expertise" objects of reasonable examination. Aside from his supposed personal status and "expertise," he offered no evidence at all that mass gassings are impossible or that there are no big gas chambers. Without any evidence for his bold claims, Leuchter made himself a worthy target, however. Leuchter destroyed his own credibility as an "expert".

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Scott Smith wrote:Is the Devil’s own implement a pitchfork or was it a Magirus-Deutz delivery van?
Off topic I know, but I've been itching to use this quote for sometime:
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'Tell him that I am well―that the scabies have disappeared and that I don't believe I shall ever see him again. Where do you work?'

'In the parcel room. Look at that truck. That's for gassing people. I hate to get into it. We're using it for distributing parcels. It's constructed like a box with an opening in the roof. There are some strange contraptions underneath―twisted pipes and everything.'
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Well done to Mr. Berg and Mr. Smith for putting their heads above the parapet by daring to expose the decadence and hypocrisy which has slowly but surely been allowed to creep into certain aspects of holocaust revisionism.

I am gobsmacked that Scott's open letter was considered too dissenting to remain on public view at CODOH. What are the so-called revisionists there so afraid of? Sadly because of the Ministry of Truth style tactics currently being used at CODOH I am lumping the forum into the same detestable category as JREF and SSF from now on. Only cowards and dogmatists feel the need to be protected by censorship.

As far as I am concerned no one, no matter who they are (or think they are), is above scholarly criticism by their peers. I'm still hoping Fred Leuchter will come to his senses and be man enough to admit he was wrong to state his word was beyond question by mere mortals.

Forget California; Phoenix, Arizona is now the new powerhouse of real holohoax revisionism in North America!
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At CODOH, the entire thread entitled "The 'Sanity Test,'" has ALSO been deleted by the Ministry of Truth. No doubt, many more threads that I started at CODOH will also be deleted by the Mad Moderator there, whoever he is.

They have learned a lot from Deborah Lipstadt and Elie Wiesel--but little, if anything, from me. The main reason why I engage in debates is because I learn from them--nearly all of them. The debates I had here on RODOH with Roberto Muehlenkamp were the most productive ever--but even far less dramatic debates teach me a lot about how people think, or fail to think. Breker taught me a lot also. I had him cornered and so he had to pull the plug.

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PS: The "Sanity Test" thread is back up on CODOH apparently in response to a request from Werd. I doubt, however, that my continuing answers to Breker, one of which is here on RODOH, will be allowed. We shall see. FPB
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Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:At CODOH, the entire thread entitled "The 'Sanity Test,'" has ALSO been deleted by the Ministry of Truth. No doubt, many more threads that I started at CODOH will also be deleted by the Mad Moderator there, whoever he is.

They have learned a lot from Deborah Lipstadt and Elie Wiesel--but little, if anything, from me. The main reason why I engage in debates is because I learn from them--nearly all of them. The debates I had here on RODOH with Roberto Muehlenkamp were the most productive ever--but even far less dramatic debates teach me a lot about how people think, or fail to think. Breker taught me a lot also. I had him cornered and so he had to pull the plug.
Thanks for the heads up, Fritz!

In true Ministry of Truth style a Moderator has created a self-congratulatory thread boasting about how many posts CODOH has accumulated over the years.

I wonder what the true number would be if we factored in the hundreds, or more than likely thousands of posts, which have been made to disappear over the years by the heavy handed Moderators at that forum?

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I have had to rethink my entire relationship to "holocaust revisionists" since my debate of sorts with many revisionists prior to September of this year. How could so many "revisionists" have turned out to be such utter morons? The "arguments" they used to defend Faurisson and Leuchter and Tobin are beyond stupid--but I am banned from CODOH, not them. Such "revisionists" make Jews like Nessie seem like geniuses by comparison. Were they drunk or taking pills? Or, did their stupidity come naturally? Who knows or cares?

Their arguments reduced themselves to insisting there was some insurmountable problem about the disposal of thousands upon thousands of corpses--that I had failed to address. Therefore, I was wrong and Faurisson and Leuchter were vindicated--new lies to support their unforgiveable stupidity. Even Germar Rudolph chose to defend Faurisson rather than admit I was right. Others chose to remain very silent. Shame on them all!

Walter Leuftl had claimed many years ago that the bodies could have been disposed of rather efficiently in lime or brick kilns rather than in crematory ovens. He was right, of course--but the Faurisson propaganda machine suppressed him as well.

We are in big trouble folks--and, not just as "revisionists," but as a species. My future involvements on these subjects will be restrained accordingly. Even I have other things to do.

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I had no idea that revisionist movement was in such trouble until this year Fritz when I uncovered all this stuff with your help and when I saw threads disappear at codoh before my eyes. Especially that one from 2007 which had no mention of Leuchter or Faurisson and just had straight textbook references about the flammability limits of cyanide. That one that I luckily copied and pasted before they deleted it forever.
https://www.rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic. ... 911#p51911
I bet they're still pissed that I managed to grab it. The truth is, rodoh is not the only place it is preserved. :P

I'm glad I emailed you and spoke with you at length on this. You showed me what was really going on.

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Thank you for your comment above, Werd--but even you have never told me where you stand on the question of whether "railroad fumigation tunnels could have been e-a-s-i-l-y used for mass murder?" That is the issue in the Sanity Test question.

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Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!!

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http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
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