Did Fred Leuchter actually write this:--

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Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:I just received the following emails from F. Toben and F. Leuchter. They confirm what I have already said about these hopeless fools in my earlier emails.

-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Fredrick Toben
Sent: Aug 31, 2014 4:09 PM
To: 'fred1' , 'Friedrich Paul Berg' , 'Robert Faurissdon'
Subject: The Arrogance and Mindlessnes of Fred Leuchter

Thanks for this Fred
....I personally never saw a reason to insult those with whom i disagreed because such primitive reaction never helps to solve the problems that confront us.
Best wishes.
Fredrick Toben
I understand that patience can wear out and tempers can fray.
Where there is wilful avoidance and/or deliberate misunderstanding or misrepresentation, then some sort of direct accusation can be warranted. But that does not seem to be the case here.

Speaking as a non-engineer, some of the details of this conversation passes over my head. What remains is merely the unpleasant-to-read impression of increasing personal animosity. Which helps nobody, nor clarifies the actual issues being discussed.
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Why can't we just discuss these things nicely and be friends? That seems to be been-there's point on RODOH. My point is that Fred Leuchter is extremely arrogant and insulting already when he insists that neither I, nor anyone else on the planet, may even "q-u-e-s-t-i-o-n" him--except possibly for chemists such as Germar Rudolf. That is bad enough--but there is still so much more.

When Leuchter insists that "Mass Gassings of people with anything are i-m-p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e," or that "there is no such thing as a 'B-i-g gas chamber!'" he makes a total fool of himself--and all who want to believe in him. Were the essays with pictures I have provided of gas chambers at the Texas-Mexico border and elsewhere NOT gas chambers--and BIG as well? I did not realize it until the email exchanges of the last few days--but Leuchter became a hired-killer for the state when hardly anyone on the planet was left with any "experience" or would touch such a job. I thought Faurisson was by himself with his foolhardy nine-word challenge and more--but Leuchter had apparently been the real driver behind Faurisson. Shame on me for having taken so long to catch on. Leuchter's claims are far, far beyond ordinary stupidity. Saying Leuchter is "mindless" was a rather tame way to answer or describe such lunacy.

When Leuchter focused attention on the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz and Birkenau, he did something enormously valuable and stimulated further serious work. But when he generalizes to claim that mass gassings are impossible under any circumstances, anywhere, ever--he goes far beyond his own extremely specialized and limited grasp of technology and reality. By insisting that almost no one on the planet may DEBATE him or even question him, Leuchter imitates Jews like Deborah Lipstadt and Elie Wiesel who do the same as far as challenges from "deniers." Somehow, holocaust revisionism needs to grow-up.

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Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:Why can't we just discuss these things nicely and be friends? That seems to be been-there's point on RODOH. ...I did not realize it until the email exchanges of the last few days--but Leuchter really is out of his effen mind
...Leuchter's claims are far, far beyond ordinary stupidity. Saying Leuchter is "mindless" was a rather tame way to answer or describe such lunacy.

When Leuchter focused attention on the alleged homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz and Birkenau, he did something enormously valuable and stimulated further serious work. But when he generalises to claim that mass gassings are impossible under any circumstances, anywhere, ever -- he goes far beyond his own extremely specialised and limited grasp of technology and reality. Somehow, holocaust revisionism needs to grow-up.

Friedrich Paul Berg
I'm not suggesting "be friends". I'm questioning why be so disrespectful and insulting? Are these people now your enemies?

Clearly Fred Leuchter is not "insane" nor a "lunatic". And I'm sure you yourself don't belive that he is. PLUS he DID do -- as you acknowledged -- valuable, ground-breaking work in exposing aspects of the holocaust 'mass-gassing at Auschwitz' mythology and paid the personal price for that.
As you yourself write on your website, he deserves our eternal respect for that. Why exaggerate your disagreement with him on other issues by calling into question his sanity?

Similarly with Toben, Faurisson and Butz. As you yourself wrote, these people deserve respect for being some of the first trail-blazing whistle-blowers on the whole conspiracy-of-enforced-silence regarding this event in history.
As do you yourself also deserve our respect. You certainly have mine.

I'm just requesting and respectfully suggesting that you confine your answers to explaining how you see the differences of view. You thereby invite and enhance the chance of better mutual understanding. THat will help people like me who have no engineering knowledge.

Attack the arguments NOT the persons making them.

Unless it is someone who obstinately and dishonestly refuses to engage in geunuine debate, I see no need nor benefit to attack so personally and so consistently insultingly.
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Been-there wrote: "Unless it is someone who obstinately and dishonestly refuses to engage in genuine debate,...." Well, Leuchter does obstinately and dishonestly refuse to engage in genuine
debate. Why can't you see that?

Since I am NOT a psychiatrist, how can I be sure that Leuchter is not insane. His ideas clearly are.

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Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

There were NO "limited gassings." There were NO homicidal Nazi Gassings at all!

Please send some generous support to: http://www.Gaschamberhoax.com
http://www.nazigassings.com/Railroad.html
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Let the example of Leuchter be a warning to you all....insanity waits
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been-there wrote:
As do you yourself also deserve our respect. You certainly have mine.
What part of Berg's mantra do you actually respect , BeenThere?

Is it when he says things like this ?

Judaism is Racism and Israel is a genocidal, racist state. Let there be no peace or truce or tolerance for Jews, or Judaism, or Israel–ever again! Jews have arrogantly sewn the worst lies and hate imaginable around the world; they deserve the whirlwind. They are NOT like others; they are NOT "nice" people. Jews are racist monsters–do not be fooled by their Hollywood smiles; they must be born again.
- from his 'No peace or tolerance for Jews' thread

So here we have Berg, actually state that 'Jews are not like others' ( he even capitalises the 'not') and that they are 'not nice people' ( again an emphasis on 'not', possibly to avoid any chance of his massive audience misinterpreting his true feelings). And then the coup de grace - "Jews are racist monsters".

So Beenthere, is that the sort of viewpoint you r-e-s-p-e-c-t ????
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And:
I am an admirer of Hitler. In my opinion, Hitler was the greatest man who ever lived
Berg, "Holocaust in Gaza" thread
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That might not trouble BT too much, Cerdic. I believe Hitler has earned as much r-e-s-p-e-c-t from BT as Berg has !
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Maybe BT respects Berg's melancholic reflections and compassionate afterthoughts regarding his regrets on the tragic outcome of WW2 :

"What a pity that Hitler did NOT have an atomic bomb to flatten London from end to end." (as spewed on 18/2/14 from the Allied War Crimes Thread)
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Slightly off topic.

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Here's a ventilation shaft in Hyde Park, London. It was built in the 1960's to remove fumes from a road tunnel below. I believe engineers on both sides of the Atlantic in the examples shown in this thread/topic have done an exceptional job of making these structures fit into their surroundings, which of course improves the lives of local residents.

It is obvious Nazi engineers did not lack the technology to efficiently murder Jews in large homicidal gas chambers.
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