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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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Bunim Abend wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:44 pm
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He, like many other Nazis, were ashamed of what the regime they endorsed carried out during the Holocaust.

Instead of burying your head in the sand or trying to regard everything as propaganda, you can easily read many quotes from former Nazis who were appalled at what had been done in the name of the Third Reich.
If by Nazi you mean National Socialist there is not much to be ashamed of. Nearly every thing is propaganda, so you hit that nail on the head. Nothing in the third Reich was appalling only this imaginary horror story Soviets and Jude have conjured up in your game of Wolfenstein.


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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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Bunim Abend wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:44 pm
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5) At his trial Hans Frank was asked by Alfred Seidal if he had "participated in the annihilation of the Jews?" (18th April, 1946)

I say "yes;" and the reason why I say "yes" is because, having lived through the 5 months of this trial, and particularly after having heard the testimony of, the witness Höss, my conscience does not allow me to throw the responsibility solely on these minor people. I myself have never installed an extermination camp for Jews, or promoted the existence of such camps; but if Adolf Hitler personally has laid that dreadful responsibility on his people, then it is mine too, for we have fought against Jewry for years; and we have indulged in the most horrible utterances. My own diary bears witness against me. Therefore, it is no more than my duty to answer your question in this connection with "yes." A thousand years will pass and still this guilt of Germany will not have been erased.
He, like many other Nazis, were ashamed of what the regime they endorsed carried out during the Holocaust.
You idiot. Frank said he was ashamed of what the kangaroo-court made him and others believe had happened. His answer above explicitly says that, you moron. He believed the false and coerced testimony that Höss signed after undergoing physical and mental torture.
He made this reply “particularly after having heard the testimony of, the witness Höss”.
He himself DID NOT confess to knowing about an extermination policy, nor being involved in it.

But this has been explained before, with quotes and verifiable references.
You have again only demonstrated that YOU are the real 'denier' plus are a liar and a deceiver who is not interested in truth or factual accuracy.
I hope any RODOH visitors will see what despicable liars ALL the H-defenders posting here are. You people have absolutely no evidence for your belief nor any shame in covering that up with obvious lies.

So back onto ignore you go.
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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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been-there wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:30 pm

I hope any RODOH visitors will see what despicable liars ALL the H-defenders posting here are. You people have absolutely no evidence for your belief nor any shame in covering that up with obvious lies.

So back onto ignore you go.
Due to the very similar if not identical writing styles and claims it does appear this one is a doppelganger of a kelp eating plesiosaur
swimming around the Great Glen fault. The others are different, with the fat mama not posting any more due to taking up conga line dancing, listening to the mambo whilst slapping its butt with rhubarb leaves; just as well as it never left the taiga due to its abuse.
The Bobsey twins have gone off the radar for a while but suddenly Das Prussian has appeared with all of its vitriol with no coherent argument spitting out the same venom but in a more dignified manner. Those at the clones forum pontificate their superiority without realizing they are all goldfish in a barrel and some people love barrel fishing.

To the point of the thread, how could defendants ensure anything would prevail, especially in a world where truth was some abstraction. Truth it would seem was what the allies declared was truth, which has very little to do with the reality of the situation.

Why should this concern us. The fact is, if they, the allies, those who govern us deceived the world back then, they will continue to deceive the world. This is what they have done not only to the Reich, but also with the fake weapons of mass destruction, the fake Douma chemical attack, the fake Scripal Novichock affair including the latest one, the false flag attack on Japanese ships as a potential pretext to war with Iran. Do these allied governments represent the people of the world? we think not.


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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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been-there wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:30 pm
You idiot. Frank said he was ashamed of what the kangaroo-court made him and others believe had happened. His answer above explicitly says that, you moron. He believed the false and coerced testimony that Höss signed after undergoing physical and mental torture.
He made this reply “particularly after having heard the testimony of, the witness Höss”.
He himself DID NOT confess to knowing about an extermination policy, nor being involved in it.

But this has been explained before, with quotes and verifiable references.
You have again only demonstrated that YOU are the real 'denier' plus are a liar and a deceiver who is not interested in truth or factual accuracy.
I hope any RODOH visitors will see what despicable liars ALL the H-defenders posting here are. You people have absolutely no evidence for your belief nor any shame in covering that up with obvious lies.

So back onto ignore you go.
For someone who cries about people personally attacking you, you seem to do a lot of it yourself. The pot calling the kettle black. :D

Are you going to cry the usual that Höss' testimony is unreliable because he was tortured? Well, guess what? Do a little bit more research:
For obvious reasons, Holocaust deniers have been excoriating these memoirs for years, arguing that they are not worth the paper they are written on. The typical argument is that Höss was tortured into falsely confessing to crimes he did not commit. Höss wrote these memoirs while in Polish captivity. However, we know that he was tortured by his British captors before being turned over to the Poles. What deniers never reveal is that we know this because Höss stated this in his memoirs. If there was an attempt by his Polish captors to falsify these memoirs or to have Höss lie, this information would have never appeared. Höss explains (179):

During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... s-memoirs/

Also, he wrote two full memoirs and gave extensive testimony at Nuremberg. His testimony is corroborated by other Nazis.

You have nothing. You failed again. The end.

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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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Bunim Abend wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:17 pm
been-there wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:30 pm
You idiot. Frank said he was ashamed of what the kangaroo-court made him and others believe had happened. His answer above explicitly says that, you moron. He believed the false and coerced testimony that Höss signed after undergoing physical and mental torture.
He made this reply “particularly after having heard the testimony of, the witness Höss”.
He himself DID NOT confess to knowing about an extermination policy, nor being involved in it.

But this has been explained before, with quotes and verifiable references.
You have again only demonstrated that YOU are the real 'denier' plus are a liar and a deceiver who is not interested in truth or factual accuracy.
I hope any RODOH visitors will see what despicable liars ALL the H-defenders posting here are. You people have absolutely no evidence for your belief nor any shame in covering that up with obvious lies.

So back onto ignore you go.
For someone who cries about people personally attacking you, you seem to do a lot of it yourself. The pot calling the kettle black. :D

Are you going to cry the usual that Höss' testimony is unreliable because he was tortured? Well, guess what? Do a little bit more research:
For obvious reasons, Holocaust deniers have been excoriating these memoirs for years, arguing that they are not worth the paper they are written on. The typical argument is that Höss was tortured into falsely confessing to crimes he did not commit. Höss wrote these memoirs while in Polish captivity. However, we know that he was tortured by his British captors before being turned over to the Poles. What deniers never reveal is that we know this because Höss stated this in his memoirs. If there was an attempt by his Polish captors to falsify these memoirs or to have Höss lie, this information would have never appeared. Höss explains (179):

During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... s-memoirs/

Also, he wrote two full memoirs and gave extensive testimony at Nuremberg. His testimony is corroborated by other Nazis.

You have nothing. You failed again. The end.
So why are you afraid to give us your interpretation of Höss' statements regarding Treblinka?

Why and when did Höss go to Treblinka and what did he see when he went there? If Höss was mistaken, how so?

Why do you come on a discussion board and not even reply to direct questions about things you yourself bring up?

How is Höss' "testimony ... corroborated by other Nazis"? Which "testimony" and which "other Nazis"?

EDIT: And why on Earth are YOU asking people to "do a little bit more research" when it appears that you have done none - other than spout others' opinions?

Why don't YOU present YOUR case of what should be believed and what should not be believed in Höss' testimonies and why? Can you do that for us?

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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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blake121666 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:07 pm
Bunim Abend wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:17 pm
been-there wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:30 pm
You idiot. Frank said he was ashamed of what the kangaroo-court made him and others believe had happened. His answer above explicitly says that, you moron. He believed the false and coerced testimony that Höss signed after undergoing physical and mental torture.
He made this reply “particularly after having heard the testimony of, the witness Höss”.
He himself DID NOT confess to knowing about an extermination policy, nor being involved in it.

But this has been explained before, with quotes and verifiable references.
You have again only demonstrated that YOU are the real 'denier' plus are a liar and a deceiver who is not interested in truth or factual accuracy.
I hope any RODOH visitors will see what despicable liars ALL the H-defenders posting here are. You people have absolutely no evidence for your belief nor any shame in covering that up with obvious lies.

So back onto ignore you go.
For someone who cries about people personally attacking you, you seem to do a lot of it yourself. The pot calling the kettle black. :D

Are you going to cry the usual that Höss' testimony is unreliable because he was tortured? Well, guess what? Do a little bit more research:
For obvious reasons, Holocaust deniers have been excoriating these memoirs for years, arguing that they are not worth the paper they are written on. The typical argument is that Höss was tortured into falsely confessing to crimes he did not commit. Höss wrote these memoirs while in Polish captivity. However, we know that he was tortured by his British captors before being turned over to the Poles. What deniers never reveal is that we know this because Höss stated this in his memoirs. If there was an attempt by his Polish captors to falsify these memoirs or to have Höss lie, this information would have never appeared. Höss explains (179):

During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... s-memoirs/

Also, he wrote two full memoirs and gave extensive testimony at Nuremberg. His testimony is corroborated by other Nazis.

You have nothing. You failed again. The end.
So why are you afraid to give us your interpretation of Höss' statements regarding Treblinka?

Why and when did Höss go to Treblinka and what did he see when he went there? If Höss was mistaken, how so?

Why do you come on a discussion board and not even reply to direct questions about things you yourself bring up?

How is Höss' "testimony ... corroborated by other Nazis"? Which "testimony" and which "other Nazis"?

EDIT: And why on Earth are YOU asking people to "do a little bit more research" when it appears that you have done none - other than spout others' opinions?

Why don't YOU present YOUR case of what should be believed and what should not be believed in Höss' testimonies and why? Can you do that for us?
The claim that Höss' testimony is unreliable because he was tortured has already been answered. What difference would it make if I were to post the same material again?

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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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Bunim Abend wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:26 pm
blake121666 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:07 pm
Bunim Abend wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:17 pm
been-there wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:30 pm
You idiot. Frank said he was ashamed of what the kangaroo-court made him and others believe had happened. His answer above explicitly says that, you moron. He believed the false and coerced testimony that Höss signed after undergoing physical and mental torture.
He made this reply “particularly after having heard the testimony of, the witness Höss”.
He himself DID NOT confess to knowing about an extermination policy, nor being involved in it.

But this has been explained before, with quotes and verifiable references.
You have again only demonstrated that YOU are the real 'denier' plus are a liar and a deceiver who is not interested in truth or factual accuracy.
I hope any RODOH visitors will see what despicable liars ALL the H-defenders posting here are. You people have absolutely no evidence for your belief nor any shame in covering that up with obvious lies.

So back onto ignore you go.
For someone who cries about people personally attacking you, you seem to do a lot of it yourself. The pot calling the kettle black. :D

Are you going to cry the usual that Höss' testimony is unreliable because he was tortured? Well, guess what? Do a little bit more research:
For obvious reasons, Holocaust deniers have been excoriating these memoirs for years, arguing that they are not worth the paper they are written on. The typical argument is that Höss was tortured into falsely confessing to crimes he did not commit. Höss wrote these memoirs while in Polish captivity. However, we know that he was tortured by his British captors before being turned over to the Poles. What deniers never reveal is that we know this because Höss stated this in his memoirs. If there was an attempt by his Polish captors to falsify these memoirs or to have Höss lie, this information would have never appeared. Höss explains (179):

During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... s-memoirs/

Also, he wrote two full memoirs and gave extensive testimony at Nuremberg. His testimony is corroborated by other Nazis.

You have nothing. You failed again. The end.
So why are you afraid to give us your interpretation of Höss' statements regarding Treblinka?

Why and when did Höss go to Treblinka and what did he see when he went there? If Höss was mistaken, how so?

Why do you come on a discussion board and not even reply to direct questions about things you yourself bring up?

How is Höss' "testimony ... corroborated by other Nazis"? Which "testimony" and which "other Nazis"?

EDIT: And why on Earth are YOU asking people to "do a little bit more research" when it appears that you have done none - other than spout others' opinions?

Why don't YOU present YOUR case of what should be believed and what should not be believed in Höss' testimonies and why? Can you do that for us?
The claim that Höss' testimony is unreliable because he was tortured has already been answered. What difference would it make if I were to post the same material again?
Höss says the same thing about Treblinka in his memoirs. I was under the impression that you thought the memoirs to be more reliable. Are you saying that what Höss wrote in his memoirs is unreliable as well due to his torture?

You have yet to be specific in any of your posts here. Hopefully you will finally actually research one of these topics you bring up and give a more intelligent presentation.

Please answer my questions to show us that you are capable of rational thought.

EDIT: Here is Thomas Kues 3/22/08 article:

On Rudolf Höss's alleged visit to Treblinka

You can read Hoess' testimonies on various sites (the Avalon project site for one) and you can acquire Hoess' memoirs from Amazon for a small price.

EDIT 2: Here are the questions you are avoiding:

Why and when did Höss go to Treblinka and what did he see when he went there? If Höss was mistaken, how so?

How is Höss' "testimony ... corroborated by other Nazis"? Which "testimony" and which "other Nazis"?

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Pery Broad, an SS man stationed at Auschwitz while Höss was the commandant and the diary kept by SS physician at Auschwitz Johann Kremer, as well as the testimony of hundreds of camp guards and victims.

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... s-memoirs/

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Bunim Abend wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:54 pm
Pery Broad, an SS man stationed at Auschwitz while Höss was the commandant and the diary kept by SS physician at Auschwitz Johann Kremer, as well as the testimony of hundreds of camp guards and victims.

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... s-memoirs/
I'm afraid that you need to be specific - and use your own words. What you've posted here is not even a complete sentence. What are you saying?

Please answer the questions. Read the Kues article. Read Hoess' testimonies. And read Hoess' memoirs. Or give us, in your words, complete sentences containing some definite statement of something more particular than what you have said so far on this forum.

"Bunim Abend" has avoided any and all discussion of specifics. An ignorant 5 year old could have made each of his postings.

EDIT: Nowhere in that link is this question addressed:

Why and when did Höss go to Treblinka and what did he see when he went there? If Höss was mistaken, how so?

Höss' date cannot be correlated with anything we know about Treblinka - or Höss' alleged activities at Auschwitz - nor can ANY date. Do you see how THAT is a problem?
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Re: Why didn't accused Nazis ensure the truth would be heard?

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blake121666 wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:10 pm
Bunim Abend wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:54 pm
Pery Broad, an SS man stationed at Auschwitz while Höss was the commandant and the diary kept by SS physician at Auschwitz Johann Kremer, as well as the testimony of hundreds of camp guards and victims.

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... s-memoirs/
I'm afraid that you need to be specific - and use your own words. What you've posted here is not even a complete sentence. What are you saying?

Please answer the questions. Read the Kues article. Read Hoess' testimonies. And read Hoess' memoirs. Or give us, in your words, complete sentences containing some definite statement of something more particular than what you have said so far on this forum.

"Bunim Abend" has avoided any and all discussion of specifics. An ignorant 5 year old could have made each of his postings.
You clearly didn't bother to even click on the link I sent you.

Welcome to ignore.

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