GPR at TII

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Re: GPR at TII

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Nessie:
Blake has posted evidence that there was enough space at TII for the mass graves and how a mass grave fills up. He has posted evidence for the mass graves.

Even if GPR showed numerous perfectly rectangular underground disturbances, you would find a reason to doubt the results, your denial of the Holocaust is so fanatical.

Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.


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Re: GPR at TII

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Nessie:
GPR proves large underground excavations, right where witnesses said the mass graves had been.

Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: GPR at TII

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Nessie:
It shows 5 underground disturbances, G50 to G54;

"Five pits were located with the GPR (G50-G54) on the eastern side of the Death Camp (Figures 4.29 and 4.34). Although the GPR survey was unable to achieve a large enough depth range to determine the full extent of these pits, it is possible to say that they were all deeper than four metres and that they were all of considerable size in plan (G50 was visible to an extent of 34m x 12m, G51-19m x 12m, G52 – 22m x c.15m, G53 – c.18m x 7m and G54 was visible to 20.8m x c. 14m). Given their location in the area thought to contain most of the mass graves and their proximity to the memorial, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent further disposals. Similarly, they appear too large to be a result of post-war looting activity."

G51 to G54 are next to the memorial, extend under the memorial and G51 to G54 are described as rectangular. G5O is described as curvilinear and with a sloping edge.

That is five pits where witnesses say the mass graves were located. That they are not exactly as described by witnesses is due to

1 - despite what you think, witnesses do make mistakes and they had to estimate the size of the graves, so their dimensions cannot be considered accurate.
2 - the GPR only goes so deep and they have not identified the actual depth of the pits.
3 - the memorial, which is over a hectare in size, prevents the full size of the pits from being established.
4 - the pits are not going to have perfect cut edges, since they were disturbed when the bodies were exhumed, disturbed again with grave robbing and disturbed again when the memorial was built.

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD ALL OF THIS BEFORE. STOP MUCKING ABOUT AND PRETENDING YOU HAVE NOT AND THAT THERE IS NO GPR SHOWING PITS WHERE THE MASS GRAVES HAD BEEN.

Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Nessie:
You are again trying to drag the thread off topic. I have previously answered your questions about fuel etc in other topics.

Fact is that GPR has identified 5 areas dug as pits in the part of the camp that witnesses state were where the main mass graves were located. Other pits have been found in the Lazarette area of the camp, where witnesses state smaller graves had been dug.

That we do not have prefect rectangular GPR in 3D that precisely match what the witnesses said is due to perfectly understandable reasons;

1 - the type of GPR used.
2 - the position of the memorial and trees around the site.
3 - other causes of ground disturbances from grave robbing and the construction of the memorial.
4 - the witnesses have only given estimated sizes and they disagree.

Despite all of that, GPR has shown that witnesses were not lying when they said that large pits had been dug at TII.

Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Nessie:
It is you who has not read, let alone understood the thesis. To get a 3D image, there has to be multiple surveys, the GPR itself does not create the 3D image. That image is created from multiple 2D images... You have to accept that we do not have precise dimensions for the graves. We also do not know whether or not all the graves were dug at the same time and then filled one by one. Or, it graves were dug as others had filled. We also do not know what they did with the earth dug out of the graves... CS-C shows the pits as irregularly shaped and almost touching each other... The pits are rectangular in overall shape, but the precise outline is more irregular. I do not know if that is because of the GPR and its resolution or the image it produces, or if it because the straight line edges of the original pits were disturbed as they were dug out... GPR shows that there are large excavations where the witnesses say the graves had been. The witnesses only gave their estimations as to grave sizes, they did not precisely measure them.

Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Nessie:
That the rectangular pits do not appear to have perfectly straight edges any more is consistent with the pits being dug into to remove the bodies. That is consistent with witness claims the graves were reopened and the bodies exhumed. A series of pits where witnesses said graves were located.
Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Just wondering Norm, how many times are you going to post this: :roll: :D :) ;) :lol:
Norm wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:55 pm
Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
It is clear its pectorals are not up to the challenge of answering. It cannot sleep at night as when its on its back it gets jabbed by the dorsal fin, on its stomach it gets jabbed by its ventral; the poor thing gets no rest. No wonder it is cranky.
That aside from its sleep patterns there is much to discuss about GPR and whether or not it was used professionally at the alleged placed called TII ( I still think Malkinia is the real TII).
It seems that they are claiming mass graves are in certain spots heading towards a monument. I wish to know the following:
  • how they can determine a mass grave from say a latrine ditch or a drinking well.
  • What happens to these electromagnetic reflections when they encounter the water table?
  • How far down is the water table in the area. ? Is the soil there loam, sandy loam, sandy gravel and how does this differ from the rocks at the quarry.
  • Why has this GPR not discovered the masses of excavated earth; surely it is not just holes they are looking for but the piles of confirming evidence that holes were dug.
  • Why has this gear not been used at nearby potential other sites? e.g Malkinia
As it stands the GPR findings are so inconclusive as to be worthless.


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Nessie:
The GPR shows large pits that extend under the memorial, just where witnesses claim the mass graves had originally been...

Fact is that GPR has identified 5 areas dug as pits in the part of the camp that witnesses state were where the main mass graves were located.

Nessie:
Fact is C S-C has found 10 pits including one that is 26m x 17m x least four metres deep, with a ramp at one end and a vertical edge at the other.

How many Nessie?
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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Huntinger:
Just wondering Norm, how many times are you going to post this: :roll: :D :) ;) :lol:
Norm wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:55 pm
Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?

As many times as it takes.
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Norm wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:19 pm
As many times as it takes.
Thanks that would be the median point between eternity and infinity. This is the same as determining the length of a piece of string; as everyone knows the length of the string is twice the distance to its midway point; the midway point being determined by the length. If you touch both ends to make a circle the length of the string is the same as the circumference which is 2 pi r. Glad that is out of the way.
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