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Huntinger wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:33 pm
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What atrocities (excluding Soviets, cough, cough, Katyn)?
  • Dresden, Hamburg..murder of non combatants by air raids.
  • Prussian mass rape
  • Nuclear weapons on Japanese cities
  • Murder of POW. Operation overlord
  • Rheinwiesenlager..death by neglect of POW
  • Murder of civilians by Chinese.
  • Dachau massacre..POW
  • Kocevski Rog Massacre..murder of POW and non combatants.
  • London cage murders
  • Operation tear drop tortures
This is good enough to instigation another Nuremberg style prosecution and hangings. The instigators are long gone but they can be executed Posthumously.


Dresden was a legitimate military target, which only killed around 25 000 people, same with Hamburg.

That was Soviets.

The only one on this list which actually could reasonably paint the Allies as evil war-criminals, but in the end, I think it was justified. These people killed in the Blast would have been sent to die by the Japanese if the U.S. decided to naval invade. What's 500 000 lives sacrificed in exchange of 5 000 000 of them? In the end, seeing as this was more of a military target, and not the deliberate slaughter of civilians, I wouldn't count it as a war-crime, but I'd understand dissent here.

D-Day was pretty big, specific examples here?

The Americans actually had of the lowest mortality rate of all POWs: 0,15%. Compare that to Soviet POWs held by the Germans: 57,5%(!). Until you can prove that there was systematic mistreatment there, it's just an unproven allegation.


Specific examples, please.


Some court martials were planned for this but never given out. Eventually, a top secret report concluded that the men would have been found guilty if court-martialed. You see, the Americans actually prosecute their war-criminals.


Soviet/Communist doing.


Evidence?


Legitimate military target as the Allies couldn't know whether the U-boats were actually carrying V-1 Rockets and were relying on German propaganda.




All in all, nothing compared to German war-crimes...
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DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
It's also not only irrational but also anti-semitic to dismiss hundreds, nay, thousands of eye witness testimonies based solely on the unproven allegation that they ALL 'lied.'
Why is it irrational for Jews to lie for political and financial gain, Dabbing? Besides, not all Jews lie about the holyhoax. There are Jewish revisionists.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:43 pm
DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
It's also not only irrational but also anti-semitic to dismiss hundreds, nay, thousands of eye witness testimonies based solely on the unproven allegation that they ALL 'lied.'
Why is it irrational for Jews to lie for political and financial gain, Dabbing? Besides, not all Jews lie about the holyhoax. There are Jewish revisionists.

Because they have no reason to; the Nazis hated the Jews and wanted them gone from the Earth. The survivors report their experiences and then you call them liars.


So what happened? We can easily say 'no Holocaust!,' but you must also have an alternate explanation as to what happened. For example, what happened to the 700 000 men who went to Treblinka?


Sure, David Cole exists, that doesn't change the fact that by an large, Holocaust Denial is anti-semitic and only pretends to revise history, when in fact, it seeks to obfuscate it.
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DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:40 pm
The Nazis hated the Jews and wanted them gone from the Earth. The survivors report their experiences and then you call them liars.
The National Socialist regime were simply a reflection of what the people wanted. Everyone wanted them out of Europe and elsewhere. They still do. The Americans were antisemitic. For decades, restrictive covenants in home deeds forbade Jews from buying homes in certain neighborhoods. Some country clubs excluded Jews from membership or even playing their courses as guests. Some Ivy League universities set quotas limiting the number of Jewish students they would admit.
So what happened? We can easily say 'no Holocaust!,' but you must also have an alternate explanation as to what happened. For example, what happened to the 700 000 men who went to Treblinka?
This form of Nessyism is not worthy of discussion. There are two threads dedicated to this.




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DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Because they have no reason to...
Hunh? Are you actually trying to sell the notion that political and financial gain aren't motives to a Jew?

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Huntinger wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:48 pm
DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:40 pm
The Nazis hated the Jews and wanted them gone from the Earth. The survivors report their experiences and then you call them liars.
The National Socialist regime were simply a reflection of what the people wanted. Everyone wanted them out of Europe and elsewhere. They still do. The Americans were antisemitic. For decades, restrictive covenants in home deeds forbade Jews from buying homes in certain neighborhoods. Some country clubs excluded Jews from membership or even playing their courses as guests. Some Ivy League universities set quotas limiting the number of Jewish students they would admit.
So what happened? We can easily say 'no Holocaust!,' but you must also have an alternate explanation as to what happened. For example, what happened to the 700 000 men who went to Treblinka?
This form of Nessyism is not worthy of discussion. There are two threads dedicated to this.




The people of Europe didn't want extermination of the Jews, and if they were so popular, why did they enforce their regime instead of allowing fair elections? What were they so afraid of? It's no secret that the Americans were anti-semitic, but the difference is one exterminated, the other didn't.


Oh, but it is.
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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:52 pm
DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Because they have no reason to...
Hunh? Are you actually trying to sell the notion that political and financial gain aren't motives to a Jew?


Stop cutting out my post.


What political gain? I thought Israel was promised in the Balfour declaration? What financial gain? Reparations? You mean like every other victim of National Socialism?
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DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Stop cutting out my post.
What political gain? I thought Israel was promised in the Balfour declaration? What financial gain? Reparations? You mean like every other victim of National Socialism?
Try writing a post with normal spacing instead of scattering it out across several pages. Do you mean as far as the political gain from the victimhood of the holyhoax to the industrial reparations to Israel from Germany along with all of the personal reparations? Sell it down the street, Dabbing. That ain't gonna' fly.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:53 pm
DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Stop cutting out my post.
What political gain? I thought Israel was promised in the Balfour declaration? What financial gain? Reparations? You mean like every other victim of National Socialism?
Try writing a post with normal spacing instead of scattering it out across several pages. Do you mean as far as the political gain from the victimhood of the holyhoax to the industrial reparations to Israel from Germany along with all of the personal reparations? Sell it down the street, Dabbing. That ain't gonna' fly.

Reparations from Germany to Israel actually aren't that heavy. Victimhood? They were prosecuted like crazy during WW2, that's their victimhood. Personal reparations apply to every victim of National Socialist brutality, not just Jewish ones.


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DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Reparations from Germany to Israel actually aren't that heavy.
Here are some excerpts from Goldmann's autobiography as printed in an article from the "Institute for Historical Review".

The agreement meant economic security for the new Zionist state, as Goldmann explained in his autobiography:

What the Luxembourg Agreement meant to Israel is for the historians of the young state to determine. That the goods Israel received from Germany were a decisive economic factor in its development is beyond doubt. I do not know what economic dangers might have threatened Israel at critical moments if it had not been for German supplies. Railways and telephones, dock installations and irrigation plants, whole areas of industry and agriculture, would not be where they are today without the reparations from Germany. And hundreds of thousands of Jewish victims of Nazism have received considerable sums under the law of restitution. /11

Goldman said in 1976:

Without the German reparations, the State of Israel would not have the half of its present infrastructure: every train in Israel is German, the ships are German, as well as the electricity, a large part of the industry ... without mentioning the individual pensions paid to the survivors ... In certain years, the amount of money received by Israel from Germany exceeds the total amount of money collected from international Jewry-two or three times as much. /12

As a result of the West German reparations program, wrote Jewish historian Walter Laqueur:

The ships laden with German capital goods began to call at Haifa regularly and unfailingly, becoming an important -- ultimately a decisive -- factor in the building up of the country. Today [1965] the Israeli fleet is almost entirely "made in Germany," as are its modern railway equipment, the big steel foundry near Acre, and many other enterprises. During the 50's and early 60's about one-third of investment goods imported into Israel came from Germany ... In addition to all this, many individual Israelis received restitution privately. /13

It is difficult to exaggerate the impact of the program: the five power plants built and installed by Germany between 1953 and 1956 quadrupled Israel's electric-power-generating capacity. Germans laid 280 kilometers of giant pipelines (2.25 and 2.5 meters in diameter) for the irrigation of the Negev (which certainly helped to "make the desert bloom"). The Zionist state acquired 65 German- built ships, including four passenger vessels.
Right, but us ignorant goyim are supposed to believe your Jew swill without exception. Sell it down the street, Dabbing. Us goyim ain't buying today.

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