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‘International Jewry’? What was that prior to 1939? And what is it now?

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:01 am
by been-there
Here is a taboo topic.
(Get ready for the ad hominem backlash)

What was International Jewry?
Did such a body exist?
How did such a body EXIST?
Who were they? Does such an internationally connected group still exist?

And where did they get their figures from?

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Source: The Worker (Brisbane, Qld) Tuesday 4 January 1938
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71357095

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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 8:26 am
by Cerdic
Some groups claiming to represent Jews worldwide did exist during the 1930s.

Just because they claimed to represent Jews worldwide didn't mean they actually did. The anti-Semitic claim of some massive conspiracy worldwide of Jews working together to take over the world is an absolute fantasy.

(I'll have a look at the Untermyer thread later today.)

Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:06 am
by been-there
Don't misrepresent and distort this thread so soon into a 'strawman' argument.
The topic is about "International Jewry"
Is that a "fantasy"?
If so can you acknowledge that it was a "fantasy" that received UK governmental acknowledgement?

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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:13 am
by been-there
A fantasy that was acknowledged and written about by Winston Churchill in 1920?

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And which was promised in 1940 a role in a "new world order" after an Allied victory?

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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:23 am
by been-there
Sir Neville Henderson acknowledged to Herr Hitler on August the 29th 1939 that there were "Jews" who had been hostile to Germany in the lead up to WW2.
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Which lends some confirmation to the statement contained in Forrestal's diary about Chamberlain's comment on the role of "world Jews" in the declaration by Britain of war in 1939

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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:26 pm
by Heinrich Hovis
You're taking the views of antisemites like Ford and Churchill and projecting them on to Jews. Churchill's article was condemned by the Jewish Chronicle: "The Jewish Chronicle condemned Churchill's article, calling it “reckless and scandalous.” (Makovsky, Churchill's Promised Land, p.87).

You need to show that there was a consensus across the world's Jewish population that they were a movement primarily motivated by Jewishness. You clearly can't because many Jews at this time were either a) nationalists; b) Communists (political internationalists not ethnic ones).

Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 1:52 pm
by been-there
Heinrich Hovis wrote:You're taking the views of antisemites like Ford and Churchill and projecting them on to Jews. Churchill's article was condemned by the Jewish Chronicle: "The Jewish Chronicle condemned Churchill's article, calling it “reckless and scandalous.” (Makovsky, Churchill's Promised Land, p.87).

You need to show that there was a consensus across the world's Jewish population that they were a movement primarily motivated by Jewishness. You clearly can't because many Jews at this time were either a) nationalists; b) Communists (political internationalists not ethnic ones).
No I do not.
I am just sharing historical documents.
Documents that allude to and mention International Jewish interests and bodies that represent that.
You appear not to like this documentary proof.
Well dislike it then.
Some of us are more interested in honestly understanding a more impartial assessment of this period of history and will follow where the evidence leads without any preconceived notions or racial prejudices.
I find it a great irony that there definitely seem to be racial prejudices in operation here that seek to deny and minimise certain indisputable historical fact. The irony being that it is NOT coming from where one would expect, given the media hype about this topic. :?

Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 3:13 pm
by Bernard
been-there wrote:
Heinrich Hovis wrote:You're taking the views of antisemites like Ford and Churchill and projecting them on to Jews. Churchill's article was condemned by the Jewish Chronicle: "The Jewish Chronicle condemned Churchill's article, calling it “reckless and scandalous.” (Makovsky, Churchill's Promised Land, p.87).

You need to show that there was a consensus across the world's Jewish population that they were a movement primarily motivated by Jewishness. You clearly can't because many Jews at this time were either a) nationalists; b) Communists (political internationalists not ethnic ones).
No I do not.
I am just sharing historical documents.
Documents that allude to and mention International Jewish interests and bodies that represent that.
You appear not to like this documentary proof.
Well dislike it then.
Some of us are more interested in honestly understanding a more impartial assessment of this period of history and will follow where the evidence leads without any preconceived notions or racial prejudices.
I find it a great irony that there definitely seem to be racial prejudices in operation here that seek to deny and minimise certain indisputable historical fact. The irony being that it is NOT coming from where one would expect, given the media hype about this topic. :?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This is as stupid as C&Ping every photo and article about space aliens that one can find, and arguing that this is evidence of said aliens. been-there is a recycler of cliches, insipid, discredited memes and the central gambits in the anti-Semitic playbook. Here, he is combining virtually random statements by anyone who he can link to a Jewish organization, and he is hoping that the combined weight of random nonsense will tip the scales.

I am hoping that the obvious inconsequentiality of been-there's trivia will tip the scales for us to all ignore him. This material is worthless.

Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 4:40 pm
by Statistical Mechanic
there were international groups of Jews? Jews from various countries worked together?

OMG!?!?!??!

proof? documentary proof - he's got it, he says . . . but documentary proof of what? of articles having been written? about Jews? we can SEE the PROOF which is in been-there's pudding - actual articles about Jews cooperating, collaborating, advocating, opining, weighing in - having ideas, shitty ideas, grand ideas, non-starter ideas, and useful ideas - that is, DOCUMENTARY PROOF that these scurrilous Jews disguised themselves by more or less doing what actual people do, just as though Jews were actual people - you see, this should be in history books!

still no definition of what constitutes in been-there's view "international Jewry" or "international Jews"?

am I an international non-Jew for working with people around the world as I do?

btw - no one "dislikes" documentary proof or even documents; but we do object to spam and clinically interesting misinterpretations (if one finds antisemitism clinically interesting that is)

Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 5:15 pm
by Nessie
been-there wrote:.....
What was International Jewry?
It was various groups of Jews who lived in different countries who formed organisations.
Did such a body exist?
Yes, but not as one body, there were various groups.
How did such a body EXIST?
People got together and formed various groups and societies, as happens in many walks of life, like the International Boy Scout Movement.

Who were they?
Jews.

And where did they get their figures from?.......

Not sure what you mean by that.