‘International Jewry’? What was that prior to 1939? And what is it now?

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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by been-there » Tue May 06, 2014 11:22 am

To correctly and impartially understand what was happening in Germany between the wars, one HAS to try and understand what was the contemporary perspective, regardless of whether that perceived perspective was based upon real or imaginary forces.
(I.e. Strawman 'Protocols of Zion' comparisons are an obfuscatory and therefore dishonest tactic.)

The issue facing anyone wanting a correct appraisal of this history is to understand CORRECTLY AND IMPARTIALLY the motives behind the actions. The problem is though that ANY criticism of Jews or Jewish groups is taboo and is treated as if it were the repeating anti-semitical "jew-hating tropes". Bollocks. No group, or race, or abstract conceptual 'people', are above criticism. None.

These examples I am showing WERE the perceptions of the times. So... Why are people avoiding it?
AND - surprise, surprise - these perceptions were NOT exclusive to Hitler nor to pre-war Germany.
Yet this is NOT HOW the history(?) (or 'dogma') of 'THE Holocaust' is presented to us, is it?

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The Chicago Daily Tribune, 19th June 1920.
'Trotzky leads radical crew to world rule' by John Clayton.
"For the last two years army intelligence officers, members of the various secret service organizations of the entente, have been bringing in reports of a world revolutionary movement other than Bolshevism. At first these reports confused the two, but latterly the lines they have taken have begun to be more and more clear. Bolshevism aims for the overthrow of existing society and the establishment of an international brotherhood of men who work with their hands as rulers of the world. The second movement aims for the establishment of a new racial domination of the world. So far as the British, French and our own department's inquiry have been able to trace, the moving spirits in the second scheme are Jewish radicals. ... Within the ranks of communism is a group of this party, but it does not stop there. ... The organization of the world Jewish-radical movement has been perfected in almost every land. ... The aims of the Jewish-radical party have nothing of altruism behind them beyond liberation of their own race."
Douglas Launcelot Reed (1895 – 1976) was a British journalist, playwright, novelist and author of a number of books of political analysis. His book Insanity Fair (1938) was one of the most influential in publicising the state of Europe and the megalomania of Adolf Hitler before the Second World War. According to Reed, he resigned his job as sub-editor at The Times British newspaper in protest against the appeasement of Hitler after the Munich Agreement of 1938. Yet by the time of his death, Reed had been largely forgotten except for various remarks about Jews. The Times obituary condemned Reed as a "virulent anti-Semite" although Reed himself claimed that he drew a distinction between opposition to Zionism and anti-Semitism. Reed believed in a long-term Zionist conspiracy to impose a world government on an enslaved humanity.
'The Controversy of Zion' by Douglas Reed. Chapter ninteen: 'The World Revolution Again':
"The simultaneous triumphs of Bolshevism in Moscow and Zionism in London in the same week of 1917 were only in appearance distinct events. The identity of their original source has been shown in an earlier chapter, and the hidden men who promoted Zionism through the Western governments also supported the world-revolution. The two forces fulfilled correlative tenets of the ancient Law: “Pull down and destroy … rule over all nations”; the one destroyed in the East and the other secretly ruled in the West....The fact of Jewish leadership was a supremely important piece of knowledge and the later suppression of it, where public debate would have been sanative, produced immense effects in weakening the West. The formulation of any rational State policy becomes impossible when such major elements of knowledge are excluded from public discussion; it is like playing billiards with twisted cues and elliptical balls. The strength of the conspiracy is shown by its success in this matter (as in the earlier period, of Messrs. Robison, Barruel and Morse) more than by any other thing.
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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 06, 2014 11:23 am

LOL http://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 779#p40224

Bernard, news flash, been-there has just discovered internationalism in the Communist movement and reactions to it . . .
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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by been-there » Tue May 06, 2014 11:29 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:LOL
Great reply as always St. Meck. Fantastic insight. Thanks for your contribution to the debate. You, Bernard and Duke add so much to our group understanding.

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been-there wrote:. . . Douglas Launcelot Reed (1895 – 1976) was a British journalist, playwright, novelist and author of a number of books of political analysis. His book Insanity Fair (1938) was one of the most influential in publicising the state of Europe and the megalomania of Adolf Hitler before the Second World War. According to Reed, he resigned his job as sub-editor at The Times British newspaper in protest against the appeasement of Hitler after the Munich Agreement of 1938. Yet by the time of his death, Reed had been largely forgotten except for various remarks about Jews. The Times obituary condemned Reed as a "virulent anti-Semite" although Reed himself claimed that he drew a distinction between opposition to Zionism and anti-Semitism. Reed believed in a long-term Zionist conspiracy to impose a world government on an enslaved humanity.
Clown forgot to mention this part:
. . . Reed believed in a long-term Zionist conspiracy to impose a world government on an enslaved humanity.[3] He was also staunchly anti-Communist, and once wrote that National Socialism was a "stooge or stalking horse" meant to further the aims of the "Communist Empire."[4]. . . . Reed spent the duration of the Second World War in England; in 1948, he moved to Durban, South Africa.

Richard Thurlow noted that Reed was one of the first antisemitic writers to deny Hitler's extermination of the Jews.[5] In a review of Reed's Lest We Regret written in 1943, George Orwell compared Reed, with his unheeded early warnings about the Nazis, to the Greek mythological figure Cassandra. Orwell noted Reed dismissed the Nazis' persecution of German Jews, and even the pogroms, as just "propaganda." Reed cited a story in the Daily Herald about Germans in football clothes playing football with 500 Jewish babies in a football stadium near Kieff "bouncing and kicking them around the arena." This story had also been dismissed in the New Statesman as "complete fabrication" and "nonsense."[6] Orwell summed-up Reed's book as: "the dominant notes being back to the land, more emigration, down with the Reds and—above all—down with the Jews." Orwell warned that Reed had an "easy journalistic style", stating he was a "persuasive writer" through which he was "capable of doing a lot of harm among the large public for which he caters." Orwell compared Reed's outlook to that of the anti-Hitlerian Nazi dissident Otto Strasser and the British fascist leader Oswald Mosley.[7]

In the 1960s Reed was outspoken in his opposition to the decolonization of Africa. In his The Battle for Rhodesia (1966) he explicitly compared decolonization to the above-mentioned appeasement of Hitler; he strongly supported Ian Smith's unilateral declaration of independence from the United Kingdom, arguing that Smith's Rhodesia had to be defended as "the last bulwark against the Third World War", just as Czechoslovakia should have been defended against Hitler in 1938.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_ReedI do wish that this poster would show a bit of respect for members of this forum and give citations for material he cribs.
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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 06, 2014 11:33 am

been-there wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:LOL
You're posting clownish CT materials . . . oh, you "forgot" to comment on my other posts, you know, like the one today showing how your "just askin'" and "just now investigatin'" pose is a blatant falsehood . . . this thread is a hoot: deal with the laughter you'll keep getting, because Bernard's post, which I linked to, is the tip o' the iceberg. This is truly catastrophically inane and another own goal: your antisemitism is becoming more and more out front.
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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

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been-there wrote:THe issue facing anyone wanting a correct apparisal of this history is to understand CORRECTLY AND IMPARTIALLY the motives behind the actions. The proble is that ANY criticism of Jews or Jewsih groups is taboo and is treated as if uity were repeating anti-semitical "jew-hating tropes". Bollocks. No group or race or abstract conceptual 'people' are above criticism. None.
Which is a death-defying leap to unnamed persons and unknown details of an international Jewish clique fomenting world war, working against the interests of the Germans' "county" [sic].
been-there wrote:These were the perceptions of the times. AND surprise, surprise they were NOT exclusive to Hitler nor to germany.
No one doubts the perceptions of the Nazis and other antisemites. Their views were deeply held and, in the case of the Nazis, a fundamental element of their world view.

But to leave matters with what is nothing more than a truism is like saying of racists in the southern part of the USA who practiced lynch law or participated in frame-ups of African Americans in the early 20th century - "You have to understand, there's an alternative view, some people believed the Blacks were had a criminal nature and propensity to rape, Americans had ample justifiable cause to oppose a minority that worked AGAINST the interests of their county [sic], these were perceptions of the times AND surprise, surprise, they were NOT exclusive to southern whites. Why aren't these viewpoints and perspectives in the history books?" (Just ask Scott Smith for his honest viewpoints and perspectives . . . )

You are a self-outed bigot who is now simply spamming classic antisemitic arguments and swill. You are reduced to that.
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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by Bernard » Tue May 06, 2014 12:31 pm

Stat Mack, in skimming through half of been-there's insipid slobber, I absolutely can't figure out what the fuck his point his.

Is it that other psycho-paranoid nutters, besides merely the Nazis, had brain damaged delusions about Jew conspiracy plots? Or is it that been-there actually believes that secret Kike societies meet in outer space to eat Geffilte Fish and plot the destruction of Western civilization?

Or is been-there saying that Jews are pretty hideous sub-humans who did terrible things, and we should therefore get all touchy-feely about the poor Nazis for taking the grim reality of Kike pestilence to a paranoid level.

Would been-there, if he was as smart and articulate as an artichoke, say:"Himmler & Goebbels may have gone a hair too far in their assessment of Jew evil, but only a hair - cut them some slack!"

I really don't know what the fuck been-there is vomiting on about, but I am convinced that he can't or won't tell us. Stat Mack, do you know?

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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by Bernard » Tue May 06, 2014 12:36 pm

Or is it the blood libel that has inspired been-there? The Jew/matzoh/blood thing is true, you know. Look on the Manneschevitz box. Homoginized plasma from Christian children, USDA inspected and blessed by Hebrew Rebbes

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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by been-there » Tue May 06, 2014 12:43 pm

Reducing EVERY contemporary criticism of what was perceived at the time as the work of 'Jews' or 'World Jewry' is the usual scare tactic: "Don't go there. Don't go there. Don't you DARE go there. Or else..."
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, blah. Basically what is being argued then, is that EVERYBODY is an anti-semite who dares to try to correctly understand this period of history?! :roll:
What a simplistic and idiotic reduction.

So Bertrand Russel? How about him? Was he also an anti-semite?
This is just ad homenim taken to the nth degree. AND that really is all people here have as a refutation. Post after post of such fallacious reasoning. Which is quite sad really, when it is not just pathetic.

Anyway, back to the actual history, here is Bertrand Russel writing in private, back in 1920.
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Bertrand Russel (1872 – 1970) was a British philosopher, logician, mathematician, historian, social critic and political activist. He was born into one of the most prominent aristocratic families in Britain.
He is considered one of the founders of analytic philosophy along with his predecessor Gottlob Frege, colleague G. E. Moore, and his protégé Ludwig Wittgenstein and to be one of the 20th century's premier logicians. With A. N. Whitehead he wrote Principia Mathematica, an attempt to create a logical basis for mathematics. His philosophical essay "On Denoting" has been considered a "paradigm of philosophy". His work has had a considerable influence on logic, mathematics, set theory, linguistics, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, computer science and philosophy, especially philosophy of language, epistemology, and metaphysics.
Russell was a prominent anti-war activist; he championed anti-imperialism and went to prison for his pacifism during World War I. Later, he campaigned against Adolf Hitler, then criticised Stalinist totalitarianism, attacked the involvement of the United States in the Vietnam War, and was an outspoken proponent of nuclear disarmament. In 1950 Russell was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature "in recognition of his varied and significant writings in which he champions humanitarian ideals and freedom of thought.
Yet from where the thought-patrol lackeys are sitting, Russel would be classified as an anti-semite. :o
Which shows how bogus the reasoning is.

I recommend anyone who wants to get a broader and more impartial understanding should ignore this type of slur in the previous five posts to this one.
Such pretence at 'knowledge' as is being displayed by the Rodoh-troll-trio I consider as worse than no knowledge at all. The constant hectoring and ridicule is merely an attempt at a form of intellectual bullying.
It doesn't work on me.
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Re: International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 19

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Tue May 06, 2014 1:19 pm

Bernard wrote:Stat Mack, in skimming through half of been-there's insipid slobber, I absolutely can't figure out what the fuck his point his.

Is it that other psycho-paranoid nutters, besides merely the Nazis, had brain damaged delusions about Jew conspiracy plots? Or is it that been-there actually believes that secret Kike societies meet in outer space to eat Geffilte Fish and plot the destruction of Western civilization?

Or is been-there saying that Jews are pretty hideous sub-humans who did terrible things, and we should therefore get all touchy-feely about the poor Nazis for taking the grim reality of Kike pestilence to a paranoid level.

Would been-there, if he was as smart and articulate as an artichoke, say:"Himmler & Goebbels may have gone a hair too far in their assessment of Jew evil, but only a hair - cut them some slack!"

I really don't know what the fuck been-there is vomiting on about, but I am convinced that he can't or won't tell us. Stat Mack, do you know?
Yes, this is his way of saying "Context is bunk."
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