been-there wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:26 pm
Regarding Finkekstein's 'denier
' status. This is yet another example of how internationally, many people who self-identify as being ‘Jews’ feel a duty to work collectively to smear and discredit anyone who undermines the perceived interests of their abstract tribal identification.
Consequently certain Jews HAVE
worked in concert to smear Finkelstein as a 'Holocaust denier
'. Maybe you didn't know that.
Oh, I know. I consider it a disgrace. After all, why smear a man as a denier when he isn’t one?
He has spoken of how after he was deprived of his tenure at DePaul University (which came about due to the pressure upon the Uni by the Jewish Lobby in America) he couldn't get any other position. No-one dared employ him. Which is yet another sign of the power of 'international Jewry'. He related how he couldn't even get work as a postman. Potential employers would look up his resumé and see the words 'holocaust denier' connected to his name, and pass him over.
Yeah, that’s not really fair. After all, he isn’t a denier. I actually agree with him as far as Goldhagen goes, I read “Hitler’s Willing Executioners” and found it extremely flawed. Browning’s work, “Ordinary Men,” is a much better treatment of the men who served in the reserve police.
Germans aren’t more or less likely to commit genocide, that’s a human problem.
Then there is this from Breitbart:
You can save yourself the trouble, Breitbart makes me want to vomit.
...It only goes to show the psychotic and or deceitfully vengeful nature of their 'Jewish' mindset.
All of them? That’s painting with a pretty wide brush, been-there. What should we do with them, this ethnic group so prone to having a psychotic and/or vengeful nature? Should we complete the Third Reich’s work?
So you claim he isn't a denier. Other 'Jews' claim he is. Which only goes to show what a vague, meaningless and unhelpful pejorative this term is.
Well, denier fits you, it doesn’t fit Finkelstein.
It demonstrates that it has become a term used to discredit anyone who exposes any flawed aspect of this deceitful pseudo-history.
Now, been-there, I only use the term to describe actual deniers. You can’t blame me for other people’s issues.
Finally, on a personal note, I increasingly understand why Fritz Berg has so little patience for people who come new to this subject and then proceed to try and teach old veterans such as him things that he probably knew about in detail, while they were still playing in the sandpit.
New to this subject?????
I’ll grant you that I don’t know as much as Statistical Mechanic, Dr. Terry and the others at Holocaust Controversies, Denying-History, etc. But I’m hardly a babe in the woods. I’ve got more than a passing knowledge about the time period in general and WW II in particular. I’ve simply focused on the Holocaust more in the last five years or so. I’ve even read some of the so-called “Holocaust Handbooks.” I’ve spent my time on Inconvenient History and CODOH, I’m a member of the CODOH forum. I’ve read denier blogs and websites, watched some of the videos on YouTube, etc.
BTW, I could care less what ol’Berg thinks.
It requires the double sins of arrogance and ignorance. Jeffk, you strike me as such a person. There was a time when I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to engage you in civil conversation.
No, been-there. When I immediately didn’t fall all over myself amazed at your brilliance you became insulting. I tried to keep it civil, you chose to drop the conversation to this level. I no longer see the point in trying to engage you in a polite conversation. I’m quite capable of that, you chose to stop being polite.
But you are clearly a rather arrogantly stupid and ill-informed person
Well, at least I don’t review books I’ve never bothered to read.
whose mission here is to disrupt serious discussion.
Been-there, I hardly comment here anymore.
This topic thread is about 'international Jewry'.
The relevance of Finkelstein's talk to this topic an intelligent person would have understood. So... either you didn't watch it and felt you could and should inform us all of his parents' wartime experience, which demonstrates arrogance. Or you watched it and have less intelligence than you think you have.
I understand the context, been-there. Finkelstein wrote a book some Jews didn’t like so they ostracized him. I don’t think that’s fair but no Jew will care what my feelings are on the subject.
I do find it amusing that deniers like Finkelstein so much, even though he’s not a denier and never claimed to be.
BTW, in the interest of full disclosure, I’ve never read Finkelstein’s book. I have a pdf copy I’ve just never gotten around to it.