‘International Jewry’? What was that prior to 1939? And what is it now?

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He means the "6 million" meme; six million Jews being mentioned by organizations before 1939. Trouble is that there are more quotes naming five million or four million that he omits because he can only cherrypick from sources that were already cherrypicked by another denier.

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Heinrich Hovis wrote:He means the "6 million" meme; six million Jews being mentioned by organizations before 1939. Trouble is that there are more quotes naming five million or four million that he omits because he can only cherrypick from sources that were already cherrypicked by another denier.
He's jumping all over the place as Bernard said. This thread is more useless than his Untermyer effort, which mercifully may have run its course with this new angle he's taken here, branching off so to speak.
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been-there wrote:A fantasy that was acknowledged and written about by Winston Churchill in 1920?

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And which was promised in 1940 a role in a "new world order" after an Allied victory?

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Ok let’s start with those two – often used in denier’s argument – as they are quite revealing.

Funny to notice one member – Heinrich Hovis – quickly assimilating Churchill with Ford as both being anti-Semite, without being corrected... :(

Wonder if any of them – whether Been There or mister Hovis – took the time to read Churchill article, anyway…let’s see.

First, it is the expression of a personal opinion, published in a News Paper in 1920. Churchill is a British aristocrat, far on the right politically. As many across Europe, especially among his social class, he was still shocked by the Russian revolution which wiped out one of the major player on the European international scene. As many of his contemporaries, he was concerned that the Socialist revolution would spread, and that Great Britain could itself be in danger if nothing was done to destroy the just born beast.

He noticed the proportionally high representation of Jews among the revolutionaries…Indeed he assimilated those Jews in an international conspiracy to overthrown “civilization” – that is his conception of it, the British Empire, democracies, free trade and progress – but by international conspiracy he meant the “Comintern” and the “International Socialist” in which “international Jews” were participating – again international because of their actions and political views.
Up to that, there is nothing to deny.

He started his article in praise of the “good Jews” among them Prime Minister Disraeli, calling the Jews “the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.” He stated that Jews (the good ones) are an essential contribution of one country’s prosperity…basically he makes the clear distinction between eastern Jews tempted by Communism, eastern Jews victims of the first ones and western Jews where Hitler would tried his best to assimilate them in a vast international conspiracy.

He names the bad Jews – the Communist and anarchist ones – from soviet Trotsky to Emma Goldman – not because they are Jews, but because they represent in his view the “evil”, who are part of a Global international Communist conspiracy, not a Jewish international conspiracy promoting Communism.

The rest of his thoughts about the Jewish participation in the Bolshevik revolution was shared by the vast majority of his contemporaries and was not considered as Anti-Semitic at all, and even today, it should not be.
Indeed, even if their absolute number was not so out of the norm, or not that much, they held the more visible positions, were associated with the brutal murder of the Tsar and his family (which by that time was the most capital crime, especially in a monarchy).
But Churchill calls for the world NOT to assimilate those Jews with the ones living in the western world. It sounds more as a powerful response to the effect of the publication of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
As many, he sees in Zionism, a valuable alternative to respond the “Jewish question”, so that the Jews would not be tempted to join the “Evil”, aka Communism.

The second article helps fueling fantasies because it uses the expression of “New world order”, which sounds conspiracy’s inspired. Basically, it concerns what should be done to resolve the “Jewish question” once and for all, so that what just had happened would never happen again. To sum it up, the big conspiracy here seeks to make sure that “ in new Europe, the Jewish people , in whatever country they may live, will have freedom and full equality before the law with every other citizen”…
Sounds very dangerous to me...

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Heinrich Hovis wrote: He means the "6 million" meme; six million Jews being mentioned by organizations before 1939. Trouble is that there are more quotes naming five million or four million that he omits because he can only cherrypick from sources that were already cherrypicked by another denier.
He's jumping all over the place as Bernard said. This thread is more useless than his Untermyer effort, which mercifully may have run its course with this new angle he's taken here, branching off so to speak.
Nevertheless, there are always "millions" massacred in some pending apocalypse somehow, or in some vital existential or eschatological context.

Six-Million is one of the most commonly cited figures, as well. It's like the Trinity, the Quorum of the Seventy, the 10 Commandments, the 10 Tribes, the 12 Apostles, the 3 Kings, 40 Days and 40 Nights, 7 times (insert Scriptural comparative), 2 by 2, and so on.

It doesn't matter if we are talking about arks, furnaces, burning bushes, virgins, or clean and unclean animals.

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Balsamo wrote:Ok let’s start with those two – often used in denier’s argument – as they are quite revealing.

Funny to notice one member – Heinrich Hovis – quickly assimilating Churchill with Ford as both being anti-Semite, without being corrected... :(

Wonder if any of them – whether Been There or mister Hovis – took the time to read Churchill article, anyway…let’s see. . . .
been-there is not being serious. He's clowning around, finding things he's posted before and making a clutter of them. The Churchill thing we went through in the Barbarossa thread where been-there was told that Churchill was promoting Zionism against leftist alternatives - he pretended not to read the reply. (During that tete-a-tete by the way been-there coined the word "anti-semiticval.") What argument can be made against wallpaper, which is basically what been there's opened this thread for, wall-papering?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Heinrich Hovis wrote: He means the "6 million" meme; six million Jews being mentioned by organizations before 1939. Trouble is that there are more quotes naming five million or four million that he omits because he can only cherrypick from sources that were already cherrypicked by another denier.
He's jumping all over the place as Bernard said. This thread is more useless than his Untermyer effort, which mercifully may have run its course with this new angle he's taken here, branching off so to speak.
Nevertheless, there are always "millions" massacred in some pending apocalypse somehow, or in some vital existential or eschatological context.

Six-Million is one of the most commonly cited figures, as well. It's like the Trinity, the Quorum of the Seventy, the 10 Commandments, the 10 Tribes, the 12 Apostles, the 3 Kings, 40 Days and 40 Nights, 7 times (insert Scriptural comparative), 2 by 2, and so on.

It doesn't matter if we are talking about arks, furnaces, burning bushes, virgins, or clean and unclean animals.

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Excuse me? I believe you meant to address Heinrich H . . . ?
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A conclusion drawn by been-there early in the Untermyer thread, against his later protestations:
been-there wrote:. . . a clique of International Jewry sought to instigate war against Germany with all means at their disposal . . . .
From "Who Are the Elders?" which heads the Marsden edition of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
This is a secret which has not been revealed. They are the Hidden Hand. . . . In the year 1844, on the eve of the Jewish Revolution of 1848, Benjamin Disraeli, whose real name was Israel, and who was a "damped," or baptized Jew, published his novel, CONINGSBY, in which occurs this ominous passage:

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

And he went on to show that these personages were all Jews.

Now that Providence has brought to the light of day these secret Protocols all men may clearly see the hidden personages specified by Disraeli at work "behind the scenes" of all the Governments. . . .
The good ole Hidden Hand . . . the work of which been-there earlier described, in this thread, echoing the note from the Protocols when he discussed how the WJC joined the war against Germany 3 years before its founding:
been-there wrote:The WJC had precursor organisations and operated before its 1936 'founding' ceremony/meeting. Pay attention and open your mind. . . . That they were operating BEFORE THEY were publically 'founded' just as easily merely confirms the 'hidden hands' approach.
But we are now seeing something that been-there hasn't written about, which is the work of what was apparently the International Anti-Jews, with actual names and details that are known to people:

From THHP:
. . . The Protocols were first published in full by Sergei Nilus, another agent of the Russian secret police, in 1905. Nilus, who might have been one of the authors of the Protocols, became their main promoter; he circulated several editions of the Protocols in Russia as part of an campaign of anti-Semitism. While the early publications of the Protocols were in Russia, it was spread to the rest of Europe by Russian expatriates after the fall of the Tsars in 1917, where they claimed that it provided proof that the Jews were behind the Russian Revolution. Another expatriate Russian, Boris Brasol, brought it to the United States around 1920 where it became the core of Henry Ford's anti-Semitic program. By the time Nilus died in 1930, Europe had been saturated by millions of copies of the Protocols. It had also been exposed as a forgery.

The Protocols reached Germany sometime around 1918. One of those who brought them to Germany was Alfred Rosenberg, an Estonian of German heritage who first encountered the Protocols when a student in Moscow. According to Rosenberg a stranger entered his room, placed the book on the table and silently departed. Whether his tale was true or not, Rosenberg soon became an anti-Semite convinced of the authenticity of the Protocols. When he fled Raval (now Talinn) in the civil war that followed the Russian Revolution, he took the Protocols with him.

In Germany Rosenberg soon became involved with a mystical group that was a precursor to National Socialism known as the Thule Society where he frequently lectured about the Protocols. Rosenberg was there to explain the mysteries of the Protocols when Adolf Hitler appeared on the stage of right-wing politics in 1921. Rosenberg was at Hitler's side during the attempted putsch in Munich in 1923. By then the Protocols had become one of the central themes of Nazi thought. The Protocols were the basis for much of Mein Kampf, and Rosenberg's book The Myth of the 20th Century became the most important exposition of Nazi philosophy.

It was already known that the Protocols were a forgery when Hitler received his first copy. The exposure of the forgery began as soon as the Protocols began to appear in western Europe but the coup de grâce occurred in 1921, one year after the Protocols were first published in Great Britain. In August, 1921, the Times of London printed a devastating exposure of the forgery by printing extracts from the Protocols side-by-side with the passages from Joly's book that had been plagiarized. From that point, the Protocols were dismissed by thinking people everywhere. It did not, however, stop the wide circulation of the Protocols by Russian expatriates and later by Hitler. Even the decision by a Swiss court after consultation with three experts (one appointed by the publisher) in May, 1935 did not affect the distribution of the Protocols by the Third Reich.

The anti-Semitic agitation of the Nazis was international in scope. The Protocols was the chief weapons used in the propaganda campaign against the Jews. Under the direction of Joseph Goebbels, the Protocols were translated into many other languages and the world was flooded with cheap editions of the forged document. With Henry Ford's "The International Jew" (also based in large part on the Protocols), it became the staple text for the anti-Semitism exported by the Nazis around the world. In Mein Kampf, Hitler described the importance of the Protocols to his program of anti-Semitism:

"... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic. What many Jews may do unconsciously is here consciously exposed. And that is what matters. It is completely indifferent from what Jewish brain these disclosures originate; the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims. The best criticism applied to them, however, is reality. Anyone who examines the historical development of the last hundred years from the standpoint of this book will at once understand the screaming of the Jewish press. For once this book has become the common property of a people, the Jewish menace may be considered as broken."

Hitler, Adolf. Mein Kampf (München: Zentralverlag der N.S.D.A.P. Franz Eher Nachf., G.M.B.H., 1935). Volume 1; Chapter XI: Nation and Race (pp. 307-308; Mannheim translation).

Wie sehr das ganze Dasein dieses Volkes auf einer fortlaufenden Lüge beruht, wird in unvergleichlicher Art in den von den Juden so unendlich gehaßten "Protokollen der Weisen von Zion" gezeigt. Sie sollen auf einer Fälschung beruhen, stöhnt immer wieder die "Frankfurter Zeitung" in die Welt hinaus: der beste Beweis dafür, daß sie echt sind. Was viele Juden unbewußt tun mögen, ist hier bewußt klargelegt. Darauf aber kommt es an. Es ist ganz gleich, aus wessen Judenkopf diese Enthüllungen stammen, maßgebend aber ist, daß sie mit geradezu grauenerregender Sicherheit das Wesen und die Tätigkeit des Judenvolkes aufdecken und in ihren inneren Zusammenhängen sowie den letzten Schlußzielen darlegen. Die beste Kritik an ihnen jedoch bildet die Wirklichkeit. Wer die geschichtliche Entwicklung der letzten hundert Jahre von den Gesichtspunkten dieses Buches aus überprüft, dem wird auch das Geschrei der jüdischen Presse sofort verständlich werden. Denn wenn dieses Buch erst einmal Gemeingut eines Volkes geworden sein wird, darf die jüdische Gefahr auch schon als gebrochen gelten.

Aus Mein Kampf: Die Protokolle der Weisen von Zion. Aus 11. Kapitel: Volk und Rasse - Erster Band: Eine Abrechnung.

Even today the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is one of the principal propaganda weapons of anti-Semitism. . . .
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