Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Duke Umeroffen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:03 pm

Mmm hmmm. What are you afraid of, what are you trying to hide? Who is this, "us" Mr. Berg? Certainly not, if you want to exercise your fifth amendment right or whatever it was and fume about the Holocaust by demonstrating under your real name outside the NBC tv studio that is your right. It is well known that one or two posters here have in the past at rodoh 1. eg. gone on and on about Roberto's address and suggested visiting him and made veiled or open threats which RM laughs off or calls out. Likely as the individuals involved probably can't find the egress to their trailer doors, let alone find their way to the nearest aeropurto to ceilidh on him... I would disapprove however of any poster here trying to out another one, on which ever side that might occur. For us we have to consider the weird stalker-ish tendencies of some individuals who are involved in rodoh here.

Broadly however I do think though that the obvious signalling of a desire for privacy by using anon handles or nyms, such as, "dave catlicense" or "Die for Stalin" or "Preston North End," even ;-) should always be respected. But this is getting way off topic.
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Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:18 pm

Duke Umeroffen is another victim of "Holocaust Syndrome." No doubt, he has bravely decided it is more advantageous and safer spouting holocaust lies, albeit hiding under a pseudonym, than the truth. What a guy! Such a hero!

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Post by Duke Umeroffen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:22 pm

Ah are you going to explain your latest pet theory a little more, well go on then, the floor is all yours. Your path is not my path Mr. Berg and you know this. If I ever feel like telling you where I live and my name I will let you know.
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Post by Duke Umeroffen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:32 pm

Logically of course Mr. Berg's old sparring partner can't have this syndrome Mr Berg has retrieved from his aging fundament as his latest wheeze and yet RM too would surely be accused by this now aging Holocaust denier of "spouting lies," about the Holocaust.

Need I remind Mr. Berg about his breath taking stundy? We never know, if we hold tight the engineer Mr. Berg who knows as much about at psychiatry as doth a pig about Sunday may come up with another gem to rival his stundacious award. A nomination worthy post (if we get one) which Travis would be delighted to include in the latest/next round of noms at JREF.
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Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:45 pm

Bringing up that "Stundy Award" is so stupid. The fact is that I was right and my critics were wrong, as usual. I thought everyone knew that by now. Obviously, Umeroffen did not get the memo. Did someone drop Umeroffen from the mailing list?

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Post by Duke Umeroffen » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:53 pm

Really? It never seemed to make much sense to me Mr. Berg. Are your critics always wrong Mr. Berg? Correct or not, lets hear more about the Stockholm Syndrome theory of Holocaust affirmation that you have just hit upon. We never know, "stupid critics" at JREF might vote that one up next. But it is going to have to be good. Was it you who funded Eric Rhymes with journey to Treblinka recently? Speaking of awards for being daft as a brush it was actually touch and go as that chronic nonsense about Sachsenhausen being Sobibor in the Hofle telegram was a contender for a more specialised sort of Stundy. Did you get that particular memo? Your Revisionist chums at codoh deltree.exe seemed to drop that theory pretty sharpish.
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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:33 am

That's too much for one thread on this forum or any forum. Try forensic psychiatry and "holocaust syndrome."

BTW, the only thing consistent about my critics is that they are always wrong. They deserve the "Stundie Award."

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Bernard » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:17 am

Apart from the picture of Hitler's face cheek to cheek with a dead lady's bare ass, there is no real value to this thread. Berg doesn't know psychiatry from tooth decay, and is bantering about nothing, with Duke doing his best to keep the big red corpse of a thread from going under eternally. Like berg's other threads, why don't we wrap it up and ship it to Siberia where it may prove useful as a vehicle for uninhibited fun.

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by Friedrich Paul Berg » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:21 am

Bernard should lead the way to Siberia all by himself.

"Holocaust-belief" is a mental disorder like Judaism or Christianity. Don't be so easily terrorized, folks. Think critically!

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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

Post by been-there » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:48 am

Nessie wrote:Then there is the study of why some people are susceptible to CTs.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/brai ... cret-plots
"It's important to not just dismiss conspiracy theorists as "cranks", "nutters" or any other term that allows you to laughingly dismiss them. Admittedly, an extreme conspiracy theorist may have some disorder driving their actions, such as anxiety disorder, paranoia, psychosis or others."
Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:The Holocaust HOAX is the ultimate conspiracy theory--without a shred of forensic medical evidence to show that even one person was ever "gassed" or poisoned by the Nazis.
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Its a shame this aspect of it doesn't get more analysis.
I agree with Fritz here, the Holocaust narrative in its current form has to be one of the most extreme and accepted 'conspiracytheories' known to mankind.

HH: You also address a number of metahistorical and epistemological issues that are tangential to revisionism. To me, one of the most interesting areas concerns the relevance of "conspiracy theory" to revisionism. Holocaust revisionism is often identified as a kind of conspiracy theory,... You have a different view. Is revisionism a conspiracy theory?

SC:The entire notion that a few hundred Germans would gas millions of people and conceal the evidence of this is obviously a conspiracy claim; and since neither the documentary, material, or forensic evidence exists, I argue that at that point the argument moves from a conspiracy claim to a conspiracy theory, that is, a non-existent conspiracy.

I also try to tie this into psychological dualism and hoax accusations as well. In other words, the entire argument for the mass gassing claim involves a narrative with little or no empirical support. The disjunction between the narrative and the evidence is profound.
So how do we account for this?
The hoax concept is one way, and that argues that a small group of people knowingly created a false story and then presented it as the truth.
Another way is to accept the argument that a small group of Nazis were able to pull off these mass gas exterminations and managed to hide or destroy virtually all of the evidence.
I really cannot accept either of these explanations because they both have the typical conspiracy theory elements of unseen and hidden agency and the lack of empirical evidence. I should add two points: the first is that to a conspiracy theorist, the absence of evidence is actually a plus, because it points to the extraordinary cunning of the alleged conspirators. Second, I should further add the Arthur Butz' discussion of the "hoax" concept is much more subtle than the normal usage, or the usage outlined above.

So then it’s back to the original disparity between claim and evidence. My argument is that the human mind is hardwired to impose order on an oftentimes challengingly complex external world, and that, particularly when there is a need to explain terrible events, the mind falls back on explanatory models that become in effect the precursors of an explanatory model for what we would call nowadays a "conspiracy theory."

HH: If there is one critic who tends to receive special attention in “Retrospect,” I suppose it would be Michael Shermer, who is probably best known as the editor of Skeptic magazine. In his book, Denying History, Shermer – along with his co-author Alex Grobman – argues that revisionist critiques tend to collapse once we zoom out to consider the “convergence of evidence” that supports the mass gassing and extermination claims. More rhetorically, he compares the ostensible failure of revisionists to discern this gestalt to the intellectual obtuseness of Creationists who focus on anomalous details in the fossil record while ignoring the overwhelming weight of evidence for evolution. I think that’s a reasonably fair summary of his position, and it certainly sounds like a deep and compelling indictment of the whole revisionist project. What is Michael Shermer missing?

SC: The main thing Shermer is missing is that he, like many others, tends to look at the Holocaust as a large organic unity, as though it were a dog, whereby the muzzle is proof of the tail. But here he is falling victim to the idea that the Holocaust is a thing, rather than a collective noun, that pertains to many separate things.

Hence in his writings, Shermer tends to conflate all of the known, and fairly obvious, facts of the Nazi persecution and massacre of the Jews with the mass gassing claim, which is what 80% of Holocaust revisionism is about (most of the rest has to do with whether there was an extermination plan or not). Yes, the Germans shot hundreds of thousands of Jews in the East: that is what the documents say, and there is much corroborative detail. But that does not mean that they were also gassing millions of others in other locations while leaving little or no trace of their activities. It is especially hard to maintain that position when the current historiography is just now turning its attention to the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were engaged in important war related work, along with the concessions by Browning and Gruner that there never was a global “extermination through work” imperative operating in these work camps. I discuss some of this in “Retrospect” and have discussed it before, when reviewing research on the fate of Hungarian Jews. The argument could certainly go further, if we take into account the numerous cases of Jews incapable of work who were not killed at various subcamps of Belsen or at the Kaufering subcamps of Dachau.

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