DasPrussian wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:52 pm
Been There's whole post is a complete joke and a severe cause of embarrassment for any revisionist trying to recruit new members to their cult. It doesn't make any sense and consists of this bizarre imaginary conversation he has created where person 'A' is supposed to represent the 'highly intelligent and renowned rational thinker' Been There (aka 'the voice of reason'
), while person 'Z' is some straw man average Joe who has watched Schindlers List.
It starts off with Been There trying to describe the Final Solution in 4 general points before introducing the photo of a non Jewish inmate whom BT claims has been called a 'holocaust victim' but he doesn't tell us who actually called her this :
been-there wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:34 am
1. 'The final solution
' aka 'the shoah'
aka 'THE Holocaust
' was a top-secret policy of genocide of ALL Jews.
2. Only those Jews considered able and suitable for work survived. All others were immediately gassed upon arrival at camps, or survived by miraculous good luck.
3. Those Jews deemed unuseful or unfit for work were not registered, tatooed or given prison clothes. Well, obviously not! The Nazties didn't want any record they existed, let alone had been in an extermination camp. They were just holocausted.
4. Those who were considered too young, too weak, or too old were immediately 'selected' upon arrival at camps like Auschwitz and taken away and 'gassed'.
5. Here is an official camp photo from Auschwitz of Czesława Kwoka
, a 14 yr old 'Holocaust victim' (?)
Then he unleashes his imaginary 'conversation' onto us between 'A' and 'Z' ( and a one-off mystery participant he calls 'X' ) and as I will prove by dissecting this embarrassing mess , he should have hit the edit button long before he inflicted this crap onto us all. I have crossed out his imaginary answers and inserted a more realistic answer underneath.
A: Ermmm... But... but, hang on ...clearly she has
been registered, and
given prison clothing.
Z: How dare you! She is still a 'holocaust victim'
Z : Yes , she was most probably worked to death like thousands of other holocaust victims. So why are you acting surprised that she was registered and given prison clothing ? Were you not aware that Jews and non Jews were used as slave labour ? If you was aware then why ask your stupid question in the first place ? If you wasn't aware then you need to improve your basic knowledge as it appears appallingly bad at the moment.
Z: Because she didn't survive 'THE Holocaust'™.
X: Was she murdered then?
Z: There is no official record of her death. So her cause of death isn't known.
Z: The death certificate which you quote in your next post says she died of Cachexia during Gastroenteritis. However the Nazis were notorious liars and have been caught out falsifying causes of death , as per this article on HC blog http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... on-of.html
. So she could well have been murdered, or died of mistreatment , ie worked to death. Whatever the cause , the Nazis would be either directly or indirectly responsible for her death for it was they who imprisoned her against her will.
A: How do we know she died during the war then? Or even in this camp?
Why have you asked this question if you aware of the existence of her death certificate from Auschwitz , and the other evidence in the form of the list you mention ?
A: And isn't she too young to have been selected as useful and as a worker? What work could she do?
Z: Look, she was put in a concentration camp. So that makes her a 'holocaust victim'. OK.
Z: This 14 year old non-Jew has hands, arms and legs yes ? She can use these hands, arms and legs yes ? Well, she can work can't she ? End of conversation.
Z: Are you questioning the holocaust narrative? OMG! We have a 'denier'! Anti-semite! Neo-Nazi, Hitler-loving, racist, denier!
Z: No 'buts', I have already answered your irrelevant question.
A: No, no, I'm not denying anything. I just don't see how this story hangs together. For example, America and Britain also put hundreds of thousands of their own citizens in camps for having the 'wrong' ethnic background. They are not regarded as holocaust victims
. So just because this girl was put in a camp against her will doesn't alone maker her a...
Z: Holocaust denier! Scum-of-the-earth! Despicable filth! How DARE you apply intelligence and critical thinking to this narrative? You must only accept that this was the worst act in the history of humanity and repeat 'never forget, never again' (well, actually we mean 'never again to Jews' but we can't say that.
Z: The holocaust was the attempted genocide of the Jewish race by Nazis, so why would non jewish prisoners of America and Britain be classed as 'holocaust' victims ? It's one thing claiming a non-jew who died in Nazi hands shouldn't be classed as a holocaust victim but to try and claim prisoners of the allies should therefore also be classed the same is nothing short of lunacy !
A: But be reasonable. Isn't photographing her and 40 to 50,000 others going to make it hard to keep this 'holocaust' genocide-of-ALL-Jews-policy a secret?
Z: The Nazties couldn't help it, German efficiency and bureaucracy.
Z: The photographs were of the registered inmates, not the ones selected for the gas chambers. What would be the point of taking passport style photos of Jews about to be gassed ? So why are you asking such stupid questions ?
But even if they were taking photos of the Jews selected for gassing, are you aware that photos or any other 'top secret' document can be destroyed if need be ? Duh !!!
A: Oh c'mon. Isn't this photographic proof that actually refutes
the popular 'holocaust' narrative? She WAS put in a camp', sure. BUT she was
registered; and she WASN'T
gassed that we know of; she DOESN'T
fit the profile of selected 'worker'. And we don't know if she even died at the camp, or after liberation or ...maybe she survived, emigrated and changed her name, etc.
Z: You are an evil person. 'The Holocaust' was real. It was the worst event in human history. The Jews were the supreme victims of the 68 million people who died during WW2. Anyone who dares question any part of this narrative is wicked scum
Z: Another idiotic question. This girl was not Jewish so why are you using her as evidence that the 'holocaust narrative' has been refuted ? Also, why are you unsure of her fate if you are aware of the death certificate issued by the Nazis ? Are you mental ?
A: But, be reasonable. This girl wasn't even Jewish, Czesława Kwoka was registered as a Polish Roman Catholic!!
Z: There is no point in discussing with a 'denier'
Z: This just gets worse . So you know she wasn't Jewish but you used her to try and refute the 'holocaust narrative' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're a bright lad, aren't you ?
After her arrival at Auschwitz, Czesława Kwoka was photographed for the Reich's concentration camp records, and she has been identified as one of the approximately 40,000 to 50,000 subjects of such "identity pictures" taken under duress at Auschwitz-Birkenau by Wilhelm Brasse, a young Polish inmate in his twenties (known as Auschwitz prisoner number 3444). Trained as a portrait photographer at his aunt's studio prior to the 1939 German invasion of Poland beginning World War II, Brasse and others had been ordered to photograph inmates by their Nazi captors, under dreadful camp conditions and likely imminent death if the photographers refused to comply.
These photographs that he and others were ordered to take capture each inmate "in three poses: from the front and from each side." Though ordered to destroy all photographs and their negatives, Brasse became famous after the war for having helped to rescue some of them from oblivion.
Such acts of courage as Brasse's and his colleagues enabled many like Kwoka not to become forgotten as mere bureaucratic statistics, but to be remembered as individual human beings.
Out of 40,000 to 50,000 photographs, guess what, Brasse remembers photographing this young girl, Czesława Kwoka.
Guess what else, the kapo he amazingly remembers also and wierdly he could also remember her nationality... can you guess?
What is so weird about remembering an act of brutality or the nationality of the kapos (where a large % were German) ? Would you feel more confident in believing this individual if he claimed he did not remember one single inmate or one single beating or one single anything during his time in Auschwitz ?
Wilhelm Brasse told me his extraordinary story ...how the photograph came to be taken. His voice trembles as he recounts what happened.
She was so young and so terrified. The girl didn't understand why she was there and she couldn't understand what was being said to her.
So this woman Kapo (a prisoner overseer) took a stick and beat her about the face. This German woman was just taking out her anger on the girl. Such a beautiful young girl, so innocent. She cried but she could do nothing.
Before the photograph was taken, the girl dried her tears and the blood from the cut on her lip. To tell you the truth, I felt as if I was being hit myself but I couldn't interfere. It would have been fatal for me. You could never say anything.
How can intelligent people accept uncritically and 'believe' all these contradictions and this emotionally manipulative drivel? Its a collective psychosis, I'm telling ya.
So, we have either a 'female German Kapo' or a 'female SS' , and more importantly we have a photo of the girl with a cut lip. BT determines this as serious 'contradictions' (plural ???) but in reality it isn't . A German woman beats an innocent child, that is what he is telling us , whether she was a kapo or SS is immaterial in this instance. Plus I doubt whether BT has checked the correctness of the translations, like he always demands we do when we present translations of German. How ironic that the forums very own 'psychotic' decides to accuse others of displaying the very same condition !!
Edit - oh yeah and after all this, all that BT wanted to know was 'why were Polish Catholics sent to Auschwitz' (!!!!!). But don't repeat this confirmation of what his nonsense post was trying to achieve, as according to BT it will make you sound 'idiotic' , even though he confirmed it himself !!!!