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Re: The 'Achilles heel' of 'THE holocaust' - witnesses!

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Nessie wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:39 pm
The absurdities and contradictions are explained. Those who saw gassings take place are consistent in what they say. Those who did not see and whose testimony is hearsay are far more inconsistent. Too often deniers conflate hearsay with eyewitness evidence, when they should be treated separately.
No one saw any gassings, they were not there; they only dragged out bodies which could be the dead from transports.
The Belzec witnesses describe electric metal floors which get submerged with water; the amps go up and the bodies incinerate. The floor tilts and the ashes fall into carts below.
At Sobibor, the gaskammer was on wheels which moved over pits; the floor opened and the bodies fell in.

These absurdities have been spoken about before being as ridiculous as the shrunken head nonsense.

There were real steam chambers called autoclaves and gaskammers for clothes using steam and Insecticide. People saw people from transports showered on a cold Polish morning with steam coming out of the shower rooms. These people then moved through the tube after processing to a customs isolation area prior to be sent over the border.

The process was repeated on return as in the Bialystok to Lublin transports reported by the Railway man.


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Huntinger wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:23 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:39 pm
The absurdities and contradictions are explained. Those who saw gassings take place are consistent in what they say. Those who did not see and whose testimony is hearsay are far more inconsistent. Too often deniers conflate hearsay with eyewitness evidence, when they should be treated separately.
No one saw any gassings, they were not there; they only dragged out bodies which could be the dead from transports.
The Belzec witnesses describe electric metal floors which get submerged with water; the amps go up and the bodies incinerate. The floor tilts and the ashes fall into carts below.
At Sobibor, the gaskammer was on wheels which moved over pits; the floor opened and the bodies fell in.
Name and quote an EYE-witness, someone who worked at the chambers, Nazi or Jewish, who testifies to metal floors at Belzec or a gas chamber on wheels at Sobibor.
These absurdities have been spoken about before being as ridiculous as the shrunken head nonsense.

There were real steam chambers called autoclaves and gaskammers for clothes using steam and Insecticide. People saw people from transports showered on a cold Polish morning with steam coming out of the shower rooms. These people then moved through the tube after processing to a customs isolation area prior to be sent over the border.

The process was repeated on return as in the Bialystok to Lublin transports reported by the Railway man.
Name and quote an EYE-witness who arrived at Belzec or Sobibor, showered and was then transported and resettled.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Re: The 'Achilles heel' of 'THE holocaust' - witnesses!

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Nessie wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:29 pm
  1. Name and quote an EYE-witness, someone who worked at the chambers, Nazi or Jewish, who testifies to metal floors at Belzec or a gas chamber on wheels at Sobibor.
  2. Name and quote an EYE-witness who arrived at Belzec or Sobibor, showered and was then transported and resettled.
  1. bulletin of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in an article entitled
    “250,000 Warsaw Jews Led to Mass Execution: Electrocuting Introduced As New Method of Mass Killing of Jews.”

    Pole Eugeniusz G. declared:
    “They [the Ukrainians on duty in the camp] told me that several hundred
    Jews at a time were crammed into the barrack, where they were killed
    by an electric current; their corpses were then taken to the trench by
    means of a narrow-gauge railway.”


    All hearsay of course but believed. Of course there are no eyewitnesses, its all nonsense.
  2. Judith Eliazer in her testimony at Rotterdam on 5 February 1946, mentions it was a Transit camp.

    Shelvis says:
    I was ordered to take the Jews at my disposal from Sobibor to Trawniki, where half of
    them, in fact, remained. The others I took back to Lublin into a camp
    that was located next to a [railway?] stop (Old Airport).”


    I don't particulay care when they showered.


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Huntinger wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:45 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:29 pm
  1. Name and quote an EYE-witness, someone who worked at the chambers, Nazi or Jewish, who testifies to metal floors at Belzec or a gas chamber on wheels at Sobibor.
  2. Name and quote an EYE-witness who arrived at Belzec or Sobibor, showered and was then transported and resettled.
  1. bulletin of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in an article entitled
    “250,000 Warsaw Jews Led to Mass Execution: Electrocuting Introduced As New Method of Mass Killing of Jews.”

    Pole Eugeniusz G. declared:
    “They [the Ukrainians on duty in the camp] told me that several hundred
    Jews at a time were crammed into the barrack, where they were killed
    by an electric current; their corpses were then taken to the trench by
    means of a narrow-gauge railway.”


    All hearsay of course but believed. Of course there are no eyewitnesses, its all nonsense.
IOW, you have no eye witness evidence to metal floors or a gas chamber on wheels, so that can be dismissed as hearsay.
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Judith Eliazer in her testimony at Rotterdam on 5 February 1946, mentions it was a Transit camp.

Shelvis says:
I was ordered to take the Jews at my disposal from Sobibor to Trawniki, where half of
them, in fact, remained. The others I took back to Lublin into a camp
that was located next to a [railway?] stop (Old Airport).”


I don't particulay care when they showered.

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https://www.sobiborinterviews.nl/en/ned ... rtha-ensel

"On 10 March 1943, 28-year-old hairdresser Judith Eliazar from Rotterdam, and Bertha Ensel from Amsterdam, 18 years old and a needlewoman by profession, were put on a transport from transit camp Westerbork to Sobibor in East Poland. They were there for only a brief period. ‘We were selected; 30 girls and 44 men were removed from the transport,’ both women stated in 1946."

No one was showered and then resettled from Sobibor.

The Achilles Heel of denial is its lack of witness evidence for its claim that millions were processed through the AR camps and resettled elsewhere.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Re: The 'Achilles heel' of 'THE holocaust' - witnesses!

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Nessie wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:55 pm
No one was showered and then resettled from Sobibor.
Sobibor was a forestry camp originally and remains that now; the Kommandantur is still standing from the days of it being seconded by the Reich. The building is about 8km from Wlodawa the customs point, similar in distance of TII to the Malkinia customs facility.

Making a crass statement like above simply means no thought has been given, a knee jerk reaction. It is clear that people left Sobibor to go to the nearby camps such as Trawniki. It is quite possible people are mixing up the name Sobi bor with Svoni bor (Czerwony bor) which was an actual execution facility.

Sobibor was a transit camp as evidenced by Himmlers statement:
“The Sobibór transit camp, located in the Lublin district, is to be
converted into a concentration camp. A dismantling unit for captured
enemy munitions is to be set up in the concentration camp.”


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Here is a recent account of a Jewish person inventing self-contradictory, racist nonsense and it being not just accepted but celebrated.

To begin with we are expected to believe that this person never ever mentioned any of her war-time experiences to anyone, not ever. Not until now! Forty years later! :?

She not only never related any of it but “refused” to do so. :roll:

What obviously nonsensical bollox this emotionally manipulative hyperbole starts off with.

It’s psychotic, I’m tellin’ ya!
Image

The greatest story never told: 40 years later, Eva Erben shares her Holocaust survival story

By Ryan Frantz | 27th Jan 2021

For over 40 years, Holocaust survivor Eva Erben has refused to tell her story. But today, with the rise of antisemitism [fact sharing] and Holocaust denial[skepticism], she shares her story to help the fight against antisemitism and for human rights.
That’s just the intro.

Then it offers it’s readers this exaggerated, ahistorical nonsense:
During the Second World War, the government of Nazi Germany killed approximately 17 million people across Europe in half a dozen camps specifically designated for killings.
So now it’s 17 million people mass-murdered in just six “specifically designated” extermination camps!
The story gets more exaggerated and nonsensical every decade! :roll:
“It was an unbelievable shock when our train pulled into Auschwitz. It was hard to imagine that such a place existed on earth. The smell, the shouting, and the barking were all very overwhelming. We saw the smoke from a building chimney and thought it was a factory and not the gas chamber that it really was. Then they took everything we had on us, and even shaved our heads.” said Eva, talking about how they were counted and segregated for Dr Mengele, or the Angel of Death.
Mengele is mainly remembered for his actions at the Auschwitz concentration camp, where he performed deadly experiments on prisoners.
He was also a member of the team of doctors, who selected victims to be killed in the gas chambers, and was one of the doctors who administered the gas.
So on top of everything they “even shaved” their heads! :o Wow! And this is supposed to be an account of inhuman treatment?
And notice how omnipresent Mengele was there to greet her arrival. Here he is supposed to have been selecting people upon arrival, AND conducting human experiments AND ALSO administering the gas in the physically impossible gassings claimed in the Birkenau leichenkeller. What an amazingly busy guy.
“One of the German commandants noticed that I was barefoot in the extreme cold, and gave me a pair of shoes to wear. So, not every German was a murderer,” she adds.
What disgustingly racist bullshit this “greatest story never told” is. A sign of the sickness of our society that we celebrate it. So, not every German was a murderer!!!?? Really??! :roll: And this statement of obvious fact is supposed to be noteworthy?? :o
It is yet another example of Jewish hypocritical hate-speech and racism.


Check out this contradiction:
Eva Erben was born in Czechoslovakia, was first taken to Terezin, and then survived Auschwitz-Birkenau, Gross Rosen, and the Death March at the end of the war. During the march, she collapsed along the way and was left for dead, until a local farmer found her and took care of her
So she collapsed and was left for dead?
How does that square with this claim:
Those who lagged behind, too tired to go further or fell down, were shot immediately.
Some women attempted to run away, but the dogs always found them, and they were killed as well.” says Eva.
Get your lies consistent, Eva.


In this passage from the article Eva also claims the 500-kilometre march “moved through the woods and not through the streets because the Germans didn’t want the civilians to see us”.
Wow! It must have taken ages.
Eva, along with her fellow prisoners, was hurriedly evacuated by the SS and taken on a 500-kilometre march, walking 30 to 40 kilometres a day through Poland in the snow and cold. Her mother died on the way, leaving Eva alone in the world, but miraculously, Eva managed to escape her captors and was found and then hidden by a Czech family until the war ended.
We were moved through the woods and not through the streets because the Germans didn’t want the civilians to see us. Those who lagged behind, too tired to go further or fell down, were shot immediately.
Some women attempted to run away, but the dogs always found them, and they were killed as well.” says Eva.
It ends with this account of her escape and “rebirth”. She was born in 1932 so would have been 13 years old and yet her ’rescuers’ breastfed her!? :o :?

Plus here her story changes and she no longer “collapsed along the way and was left for dead”.
After her mother’s death, there were not many of them left in the group, and they were locked inside a barn to sleep. Looking for warmth, Eva huddled beside a cow in the corner and fell asleep. “When I woke up, nobody was there; I was alone in the barn and free,” she adds. She continued walking for four days, and was found again by a German officer who put a gun to her head, but let her go because she looked like she would die soon anyway. Stumbling towards the Postřekov village, she was found by a local family who nursed her back to life with the help of breast milk procured through a midwife, and Eva likened it to a literal rebirth.
What despicable, racist, anti-German, unbelievable nonsense.

And on eyewitness/lie-witness testimony such as this, is the perpetuation of the current ‘holocaust’ pseudo-historical narrative predicated.

No wonder more people are realising what ahistorical, emotional, exaggerated nonsense much of it is.

Read more at: https://yourstory.com/2020/07/holocaust ... nspiration
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they either cease being mistaken
or they cease being honest"
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been-there wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:54 am
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Here is a recent account of a Jewish person inventing self-contradictory, racist nonsense and it being not just accepted but celebrated.

To begin with we are expected to believe that this person never ever mentioned any of her war-time experiences to anyone, not ever. Not until now! Forty years later! :?

She not only never related any of it but “refused” to do so. :roll:

What obviously nonsensical bollox this emotionally manipulative hyperbole starts off with.

It’s psychotic, I’m tellin’ ya!
Image

The greatest story never told: 40 years later, Eva Erben shares her Holocaust survival story

By Ryan Frantz | 27th Jan 2021

For over 40 years, Holocaust survivor Eva Erben has refused to tell her story. But today, with the rise of antisemitism [fact sharing] and Holocaust denial[skepticism], she shares her story to help the fight against antisemitism and for human rights.
That’s just the intro.

Then it offers it’s readers this exaggerated, ahistorical nonsense:
During the Second World War, the government of Nazi Germany killed approximately 17 million people across Europe in half a dozen camps specifically designated for killings.
So now it’s 17 million people mass-murdered in just six “specifically designated” extermination camps!
The story gets more exaggerated and nonsensical every decade! :roll:
“It was an unbelievable shock when our train pulled into Auschwitz. It was hard to imagine that such a place existed on earth. The smell, the shouting, and the barking were all very overwhelming. We saw the smoke from a building chimney and thought it was a factory and not the gas chamber that it really was. Then they took everything we had on us, and even shaved our heads.” said Eva, talking about how they were counted and segregated for Dr Mengele, or the Angel of Death.
Mengele is mainly remembered for his actions at the Auschwitz concentration camp, where he performed deadly experiments on prisoners.
He was also a member of the team of doctors, who selected victims to be killed in the gas chambers, and was one of the doctors who administered the gas.
So on top of everything they “even shaved” their heads! :o Wow! And this is supposed to be an account of inhuman treatment?
And notice how omnipresent Mengele was there to greet her arrival. Here he is supposed to have been selecting people upon arrival, AND conducting human experiments AND ALSO administering the gas in the physically impossible gassings claimed in the Birkenau leichenkeller. What an amazingly busy guy.
“One of the German commandants noticed that I was barefoot in the extreme cold, and gave me a pair of shoes to wear. So, not every German was a murderer,” she adds.
What disgustingly racist bullshit this “greatest story never told” is. A sign of the sickness of our society that we celebrate it. So, not every German was a murderer!!!?? Really??! :roll: And this statement of obvious fact is supposed to be noteworthy?? :o
It is yet another example of Jewish hypocritical hate-speech and racism.


Check out this contradiction:
Eva Erben was born in Czechoslovakia, was first taken to Terezin, and then survived Auschwitz-Birkenau, Gross Rosen, and the Death March at the end of the war. During the march, she collapsed along the way and was left for dead, until a local farmer found her and took care of her
So she collapsed and was left for dead?
How does that square with this claim:
Those who lagged behind, too tired to go further or fell down, were shot immediately.
Some women attempted to run away, but the dogs always found them, and they were killed as well.” says Eva.
Get your lies consistent, Eva.


In this passage from the article Eva also claims the 500-kilometre march “moved through the woods and not through the streets because the Germans didn’t want the civilians to see us”.
Wow! It must have taken ages.
Eva, along with her fellow prisoners, was hurriedly evacuated by the SS and taken on a 500-kilometre march, walking 30 to 40 kilometres a day through Poland in the snow and cold. Her mother died on the way, leaving Eva alone in the world, but miraculously, Eva managed to escape her captors and was found and then hidden by a Czech family until the war ended.
We were moved through the woods and not through the streets because the Germans didn’t want the civilians to see us. Those who lagged behind, too tired to go further or fell down, were shot immediately.
Some women attempted to run away, but the dogs always found them, and they were killed as well.” says Eva.
It ends with this account of her escape and “rebirth”. She was born in 1932 so would have been 13 years old and yet her ’rescuers’ breastfed her!? :o :?

Plus here her story changes and she no longer “collapsed along the way and was left for dead”.
After her mother’s death, there were not many of them left in the group, and they were locked inside a barn to sleep. Looking for warmth, Eva huddled beside a cow in the corner and fell asleep. “When I woke up, nobody was there; I was alone in the barn and free,” she adds. She continued walking for four days, and was found again by a German officer who put a gun to her head, but let her go because she looked like she would die soon anyway. Stumbling towards the Postřekov village, she was found by a local family who nursed her back to life with the help of breast milk procured through a midwife, and Eva likened it to a literal rebirth.
What despicable, racist, anti-German, unbelievable nonsense.

And on eyewitness/lie-witness testimony such as this, is the perpetuation of the current ‘holocaust’ pseudo-historical narrative predicated.

No wonder more people are realising what ahistorical, emotional, exaggerated nonsense much of it is.

Read more at: https://yourstory.com/2020/07/holocaust ... nspiration
Why do you expect someone who has been exposed to prolonged trauma to give unemotional testimony?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Nessie wrote:
Why do you expect someone who has been exposed to prolonged trauma to give unemotional testimony?
Gee, do ya' think she may have "exaggerated" a little bit, too? That's worth at least a couple of :lol: :lol:

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:20 pm
Nessie wrote:
Why do you expect someone who has been exposed to prolonged trauma to give unemotional testimony?
Gee, do ya' think she may have "exaggerated" a little bit, too? That's worth at least a couple of :lol: :lol:
Yes, she likely exaggerated. Why is that so odd to you?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Nessie wrote:
Yes, she likely exaggerated.
Gee, did she engage in "hyperbole", too? Did she maybe make a itty bitty "mistake"? How about we try, "The bitch was lying her arse off".

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