What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Goody67 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:52 pm

Trolljegeren wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:44 pm
To be honest no one cares about your beliefs.
Yet you expect people to view your beliefs as facts. :lol:
There is a long history of Jewish conversion to Christianity, both voluntarily and forced conversion. Jewish conversion to Christianity occurred under a multitude of circumstances. The majority of which though were either forced conversions by the Church, which would often span the entire local Jewish community, or the voluntary conversion of Jews trying to receive all the benefits Christian citizens received that Jews did not.
Do you have any evidence to support your theory that the Soviets hid millions of Jews that allegedly converted to Christianity?
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Trolljegeren » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:56 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:52 pm


Do you have any evidence to support your theory that the Soviets hid millions of Jews that allegedly converted to Christianity?
Yes

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Goody67 » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:59 pm

Trolljegeren wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:56 pm
Yes
Post your evidence.
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:19 pm

The American Jewish Yearbook informs us that, in the first half of 1940,
these refugees were given the choice of either taking on Soviet citizenship
or going back into the German zone. According to the Yearbook
“many” of the refugees opted for the latter alternative, but Germany refused
categorically to let these Jews return. Towards the end of June
1940 the Soviet government ordered them to be deported into the inner
regions of the Soviet Union, where the conditions are reported to have
been extremely harsh
Mattogno and Graf
(American Jewish Yearbook, No. 49 (1947-1948), p. 381.)


“During the summer of 1949, the Jewish press outside the Soviet
Union carried a number of reports about the mass deportation of
Jews from the Western border region of the Soviet Union, especially
from White Russia, the Ukraine, Eastern Galicia, Bukovina, and
Bessarabia.....The reports described, often in great detail,
how the secret police rounded up the Jews, put them on deportation
trains, and sent them off to unknown destinations, presumably Siberia
or the Arctic regions of European Russia
(American Jewish Yearbook, No. 51 (1950), p. 340.)
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Nessie » Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:59 am

Huntinger wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:19 pm
The American Jewish Yearbook informs us that, in the first half of 1940,
these refugees were given the choice of either taking on Soviet citizenship
or going back into the German zone. According to the Yearbook
“many” of the refugees opted for the latter alternative, but Germany refused
categorically to let these Jews return. Towards the end of June
1940 the Soviet government ordered them to be deported into the inner
regions of the Soviet Union, where the conditions are reported to have
been extremely harsh
Mattogno and Graf
(American Jewish Yearbook, No. 49 (1947-1948), p. 381.)


“During the summer of 1949, the Jewish press outside the Soviet
Union carried a number of reports about the mass deportation of
Jews from the Western border region of the Soviet Union, especially
from White Russia, the Ukraine, Eastern Galicia, Bukovina, and
Bessarabia.....The reports described, often in great detail,
how the secret police rounded up the Jews, put them on deportation
trains, and sent them off to unknown destinations, presumably Siberia
or the Arctic regions of European Russia
(American Jewish Yearbook, No. 51 (1950), p. 340.)
That refers to the Jews who ended up under Soviet control as they had invaded west and post war deportations. There is no evidence that millions of Jews who had been under Nazi control ended up under Soviet control.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Goody67 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:21 am

Nessie wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:59 am
That refers to the Jews who ended up under Soviet control as they had invaded west and post war deportations. There is no evidence that millions of Jews who had been under Nazi control ended up under Soviet control.
Give the wannabe Nazi a little bit of time, maybe he will eventually comprehend that.
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by VFX » Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:29 pm

Nessie wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:59 am

That refers to the Jews who ended up under Soviet control as they had invaded west and post war deportations. There is no evidence that millions of Jews who had been under Nazi control ended up under Soviet control.
They were in National Socialist controlled territory which was taken over by the Soviets. It is very much doubted if any person could outrun an advancing army as they had no where to go, most were on foot and probably hiding if they could. Of the estimated 70 million deaths attributed to World War II, over 30 million,the majority of them civilian, occurred on the Eastern Front. Eastern Front
The Soviet Union finally entered Warsaw on 17 January 1945, after the city was abandoned by the Germans. Over three days, on a broad front incorporating four army fronts, the Red Army launched the Vistula–Oder Offensive across the Narew River and from Warsaw. The territories overtaken by the Red Army became satellite states of the Soviet Union and the postwar division of Europe into capitalist and communist halves would lead to increased tensions with the West, led by the United States of America.
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This gave rise to 150 million people now assimilated into the Soviet system (300 million). In that 150 million people there were 4.5 million Jews. 1.5 Million of these were still in Poland. Since the end of WWII permission was given to allow Soviet Jews to emigrate which many did: these were the Jews which had not changed their religion and could not assimilate into the state. It does not take into account those who no longer considered themselves to be Jude. There are about 1 million Jews in Russia. Their numbers have been shrinking in recent decades. More than 1 million Jews emigrated from the former Soviet Union to Israel since the late 1980s. Jewish leaders say many more Jews renounced or hid their identity to avoid persecution in the Soviet era and before then. Some are beginning to reclaim their identity. Between World War II and the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia's Jewish population declined steadily, thanks to emigration, a low birth rate, intermarriage, and concealment of identity by choice or by state decree. Jews in Russia
There are two main issues in getting corrrect statistical data:
  1. The Iron Curtain prevented this pertaining to national security of the CCCP.
  2. Organizations who have interests in the "Jewish question" assume that the holocaust was real and automatically factor out the alleged deaths. This is so the magic 6 million figure must always appear.
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Nessie » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 am

VFX wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:29 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:59 am

That refers to the Jews who ended up under Soviet control as they had invaded west and post war deportations. There is no evidence that millions of Jews who had been under Nazi control ended up under Soviet control.
They were in National Socialist controlled territory which was taken over by the Soviets. It is very much doubted if any person could outrun an advancing army as they had no where to go, most were on foot and probably hiding if they could. Of the estimated 70 million deaths attributed to World War II, over 30 million,the majority of them civilian, occurred on the Eastern Front. Eastern Front
The Soviet Union finally entered Warsaw on 17 January 1945, after the city was abandoned by the Germans.
How many Jewish people had been left in the city on that date? The ghetto had been cleared and closed in May 1943.
Over three days, on a broad front incorporating four army fronts, the Red Army launched the Vistula–Oder Offensive across the Narew River and from Warsaw. The territories overtaken by the Red Army became satellite states of the Soviet Union and the postwar division of Europe into capitalist and communist halves would lead to increased tensions with the West, led by the United States of America.
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This gave rise to 150 million people now assimilated into the Soviet system (300 million). In that 150 million people there were 4.5 million Jews. 1.5 Million of these were still in Poland. Since the end of WWII permission was given to allow Soviet Jews to emigrate which many did: these were the Jews which had not changed their religion and could not assimilate into the state. It does not take into account those who no longer considered themselves to be Jude. There are about 1 million Jews in Russia. Their numbers have been shrinking in recent decades. More than 1 million Jews emigrated from the former Soviet Union to Israel since the late 1980s. Jewish leaders say many more Jews renounced or hid their identity to avoid persecution in the Soviet era and before then. Some are beginning to reclaim their identity. Between World War II and the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia's Jewish population declined steadily, thanks to emigration, a low birth rate, intermarriage, and concealment of identity by choice or by state decree. Jews in Russia
There are two main issues in getting corrrect statistical data:
  1. The Iron Curtain prevented this pertaining to national security of the CCCP.
  2. Organizations who have interests in the "Jewish question" assume that the holocaust was real and automatically factor out the alleged deaths. This is so the magic 6 million figure must always appear.
There is no evidence of that mass assimilation you allege. You need to explain why would the Nazis leave behind millions of people they regarded as the enemy, to work and fight for the Soviets?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:43 am

Nessie wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 am
How many Jewish people had been left in the city on that date? The ghetto had been cleared and closed in May 1943.
I do not think anyone cares. Your attempt is to try and waste effort and time by chronology as though it is important. The fact is the Jewish high priest asked for help due to 1.5 million Jews being in Poland. This is old news posted by Henry which you had no answer for. This Jew is the one who also declared the 6 million lost through fabrications and the mayhem of war.
There is no evidence of that mass assimilation you allege. You need to explain why would the Nazis leave behind millions of people they regarded as the enemy, to work and fight for the Soviets?
The evidence was given in another post so please do not ask again. The Nazis did not leave millions to work and fight, they were running for their own lives and like most in the world did not give a screw about the Jews. They didn't then and no one does now.
You were told again and again and now again that the Soviet advance was quick enough to overtake Europe. Jews were cannon fodder, no one cares only them.
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Nessie » Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:16 am

Huntinger wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:43 am
Nessie wrote:
Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:32 am
How many Jewish people had been left in the city on that date? The ghetto had been cleared and closed in May 1943.
I do not think anyone cares. Your attempt is to try and waste effort and time by chronology as though it is important.
Chronology is clearly important. After May 1943 there were no Jews left in Warsaw. So the Soviets did not find any there. So where did they find them?
The fact is the Jewish high priest asked for help due to 1.5 million Jews being in Poland. This is old news posted by Henry which you had no answer for. This Jew is the one who also declared the 6 million lost through fabrications and the mayhem of war.
There is no evidence of that mass assimilation you allege. You need to explain why would the Nazis leave behind millions of people they regarded as the enemy, to work and fight for the Soviets?
The evidence was given in another post so please do not ask again. The Nazis did not leave millions to work and fight, they were running for their own lives and like most in the world did not give a screw about the Jews. They didn't then and no one does now.
You were told again and again and now again that the Soviet advance was quick enough to overtake Europe. Jews were cannon fodder, no one cares only them.
All you do is repeat the same unevidenced assertions. I want you to evidence your claims.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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