What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Turnagain » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:22 pm

Nessie's attempts to derail threads and his claims of, "Gee, how do you know..." is tiresome. If he wants to show that the partisan and the drunk witnessed the trains leaving T-2 then let him quote them. Until then...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Nessie » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:32 pm

Turnagain wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:22 pm
Nessie's attempts to derail threads and his claims of, "Gee, how do you know..." is tiresome. If he wants to show that the partisan and the drunk witnessed the trains leaving T-2 then let him quote them. Until then...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
You are the one trying to derail the thread as you constantly try and switch the subject to your assertion about no cremains etc. You have stopped quoting my posts as you desperately avoid dealing with my questions and points.

In this thread you need to explain why you ignore that witnesses have been traced from the 12-15,000, but no witnesses have been traced from the c845,000 sent to the camp.

You ignore if that number of people left TII, it would have left evidence. It is not possible for c715,000 people to have left TII by the end of 1942 and leave no evidence of that happening.

You demand we believe what you cannot evidence. Why?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Norm » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:39 pm

Nessie:
In this thread you need to explain why you ignore that witnesses have been traced from the 12-15,000, but no witnesses have been traced from the c845,000 sent to the camp.
Off topic trolling and wrong question again Nessie.

In this thread, the following question has been asked:

How many of the alleged "at least 1,480,000 jews" that were allegedly transited to the Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps actually ended up being transited "to the east" of those three camps as well?

What is your answer Nessie?

BTW, in the OP, Cedric specifically said - and asked:
At least 800,000 Jews were sent to Treblinka, 430,000 to Belzec and 250000 to Sobibor… According to Revisionism, these Jews were on their way to the east i.e the occupied Soviet Union. What evidence is there that so many hundreds of thousands of Jews all ended up in the east?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Turnagain » Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:14 pm

Nessie wrote:
In this thread you need to explain why you ignore that witnesses have been traced from the 12-15,000, but no witnesses have been traced from the c845,000 sent to the camp.
No, I have shown that the hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers were nonfunctional, the giant mass graves an impossibility along with the dragline exhuming whole bodies and the magic Jew barbeque being absolute bullshit. The ~850,000 - ~950,000 Jews weren't gassed, buried, exhumed and cremated on the magic Jew barbeque so I don't give a fat rat's patootie about where they went. Where the Jews went isn't relevant to them NOT being murdered at T-2. Perhaps they went to defecate and the swine devoured them. Just remember...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:20 pm

Turnagain wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:14 pm
I don't give a fat rat's patootie about where they went. Where the Jews went isn't relevant to them NOT being murdered at T-2. Perhaps they went to defecate and the swine devoured them. Just remember...
4.5 million of them collected holocaust war reparations from the post war German Government. Not bad for a people that were supposed to have been systematically exterminated by felling, head banging, burning alive, lobstering, suffocating, atom bombs, ray guns, diesel fumes, petrol fumes and finally insecticide vapours. Oh forgot and bullets.
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Nessie » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:59 am

Turnagain wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:14 pm
Nessie wrote:
In this thread you need to explain why you ignore that witnesses have been traced from the 12-15,000, but no witnesses have been traced from the c845,000 sent to the camp.
No, I have shown that the hermetically sealed gas/vacuum chambers were nonfunctional, the giant mass graves an impossibility along with the dragline exhuming whole bodies and the magic Jew barbeque being absolute bullshit. The ~850,000 - ~950,000 Jews weren't gassed, buried, exhumed and cremated on the magic Jew barbeque so I don't give a fat rat's patootie about where they went. Where the Jews went isn't relevant to them NOT being murdered at T-2. Perhaps they went to defecate and the swine devoured them. Just remember...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
Stop trolling the thread. The topic is the impossibility of transporting, feeding, clothing and accommodating so many people, without leaving any evidence it happened.

If the people were not murdered at TII, they had to have left the camp in daily mass transports. Since there is no evidence that happened, logically the evidence they were killed is correct and your claim that the Nazis were unable to work gas chambers, find excavators to dig graves and build pyres are wrong.

Logic and evidence is on my side. You have neither logic, nor evidence to support your claims.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:30 am

Nessie wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:59 am
The topic is the impossibility of transporting, feeding, clothing and accommodating so many people, without leaving any evidence it happened.

If the people were not murdered at TII, they had to have left the camp in daily mass transports. Since there is no evidence that happened, logically the evidence they were killed is correct and your claim that the Nazis were unable to work gas chambers, find excavators to dig graves and build pyres are wrong.

Logic and evidence is on my side. You have neither logic, nor evidence to support your claims.
Nope the topic is what happened to them. It seems that they dispersed into their own diaspora only to return like mists to collect reparations. Not bad considering only 4.6 million of them were under Reich control; 4.5 million getting reparations. Some genocide huh.
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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Norm » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:30 am

Nessie:

If the people were not murdered at TII... dig graves... bla bla bla

Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Nessie,

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Re: What happened to the "resettled" Jews?

Post by Huntinger » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:35 pm

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I have repeatedly stated that millions of people (jude) were marched in columns across the Bug and Sans river, the demarcation point, into Soviet Territory. This was for crimes real or imagined. Alexander Solzhenitsyn mentioned in his works (as well as others) that Stalin ordered many of these people to be transported to Siberia; about 35% perished. This does imply that there were far less people than claimed remaining in Poland.
It appears that not only the Js were transported but the Poles were affected. An estimated 1.7 million Poles living in what was at that time the eastern region of Poland, the zone occupied by the Soviets which included all of those evicted by the Reich or those who wished to escape the National Socialist regime for ideological reasons. The Soviets in their retreat took the Polish population with them resulting in the deaths of about 60%. The article goes on to say:
The world has heard much about the Jewish Holocaust, but very few have heard of the Polish Holocaust. Why? Because this holocaust was perpetrated by an Ally of the United States and Great Britain, and it would have been embarrassing to these two great powers to have the world know that they had allied themselves with such an evil and inhuman regime. So, although the West knew about the hundreds of trains loaded with human cargo that were headed east, they did nothing to stop it. Furthermore, they went to great pains to make sure that this was not publicized, because they needed Stalin’s Russia in order to defeat the Germans. Stalin’s policy was to remove all trace of Poles from that section of Poland that he insisted the Allies give him at the close of the war.

Reading the following is how the Hollywood depicts the Nazi eviction of Js, but that drama is really just a projection of how the Russians treated the Poles.
With a spine-chilling banging on doors in the middle of the night of February 9th to 10th , in what was one of the coldest winters on record, entire families were hauled out of their beds, given only minutes to gather belongings, and were taken by sled or on foot to the nearest train station. There, long trainloads of cattle cars equipped with virtually no heat (other than one small iron stove in one corner of each boxcar) and no food or water, awaited the helpless families. People were loaded into these boxcars like cattle — eyewitness accounts put the numbers at 50 to 90 people per boxcar - and thus began their journey of 4 to 6 weeks into the depths of Russia in the dead of winter.

Many did not make it to their destination. They died of hunger or froze to death and their bodies were left in the snow alongside the railroad tracks, without burial or the most basic marks of human dignity. This was particularly the fate of the elderly and the very young.

Descriptions that have come down to us of the railway boxcars used for these transports include:
  • there were no windows — only slivers of light coming through the joints of the wooden walls, and through which they could squint to attempt to see where they were; the large wooden door was locked from the outside and was only opened when the train would stop at a station and a representative from each wagon would be allowed to disembark to fetch warm water or firewood;
  • there was a single hole cut into the floor which served as the toilet;
  • there was a row of wooden bunks along two of the walls of the wagon — these were piled 3 or 4 levels high, and each bunk had to accommodate entire families;
  • the stench of unwashed bodies, of death and decay, of human waste, became more and more unbearable as the trip progressed;
    the ever-increasing presence of lice and a variety of illnesses were the daily/hourly preoccupations of this wretched humanity.



The destinations of this human cargo was mainly Northern Kazakhstan and the vast reaches of Siberia — to a variety of camps (Gulags) that had been in existence in these parts since the time of the Czars. Here the deportees, men and women and teens alike, were forced to work at clearing forests, building roads, or mining coal, gold, and other minerals — all for a daily ration of 1 or 2 slices of bread and some watery soup per person. Days off were virtually non-existent, as was medical care or proper nutrition and clothing. It is estimated that almost half of the deportees died in these camps, or in transit to or from them. Anyone who died during winter months could not even be buried until spring, when the earth was sufficiently thawed to allow for digging.
There were three other mass deportations:
  1. The night of April 12-13, 1940: approximately 300,000 deported
  2. The night of June 28-29, 1940: approximately 400,000 deported
  3. The week of June 14-20, 1941: approximately 280,000 deported
  4. An additional 450,000 were POW’s or were deported as a result of being arrested for a variety of politically-motivated charges
In this group of people were vast numbers of Js who were treated with the same harshness as anyone else. One must also consider the Soviet deportations from the Baltic States prior to the Germans arriving.
Hungary
During the first wave of deportations of Hungarian civilians: after an occupation of a Hungarian town, civilians were rounded up for work regarding the removal of ruins. The largest single deportation during the first wave occurred in Budapest. Allegedly Marshal Rodion Malinovsky overestimated in his reports the number of Prisoners of War taken after the Battle of Budapest, and to make the numbers some 100,000 civilians were gathered in Budapest and its neighborhood. The first wave took place mainly in north-western Hungary, on the path of the advancing Soviet Army.

The second, more organized wave happened 1–2 months later, in January 1945, covering the whole of Hungary. According to the USSR State Defence Committee Order 7161, ethnic Germans were to be deported for forced labor from the occupied territories, including Hungary. Soviet authorities had deportation quotas for each region, and when the target was missed, it was filled up with ethnic Hungarians. In addition, Hungarian Prisoners of War were deported during this period.

POW and civilians were handled by the Main Department for the Affairs of POWs and Internees of the NKVD with its own system of labor camps, similar to Gulag.

The deported people were transported in cargo wagons to transit camps in Romania and Western Ukraine. Survivor testimony suggests a high death rate in the camps and in transit from various causes, including epidemic dysentery, bad weather, and malnutrition.
It really does seem that the Soviets deported millions of people in substandard transports resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions of civilians. Post war all of this was hidden behind the Iron Curtain, like Katyn just blame it all on the Germans.
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