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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:20 am

been-there wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:48 am
Turnagain wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:19 pm
I have noticed that the attempts to indoctrinate (or re-indoctrinate) people with the hoax tale
rely almost exclusively on "tugging on heart strings" tales
, so-called eyewitness accounts and the orthodox interpretation of various euphemisms supposedly used as a subterfuge to hide the genocidal intentions of the eeeevul Narzis. I can't recall any of the hoaxers ever asking the simple question of, "Was that possible?". They may have done but it's a rarity.

I've taken a more "nuts 'n bolts" approach to the orthodox tale and have not received any satisfactory answers. Of course, in public education/indoctrination, the students are subjected solely to the hoaxers sad tales of suffering and woe with no thought given to any discussion of the practical aspects of the holyhoax. I'm sure that's by design rather than happenstance. How can the little kiddies be properly indoctrinated when somebody points out that the magic Jew barbeque of the AR camps were a physical impossibility?

Before the internet such questions were limited to a few books and "cranks" and could be safely ignored. Today, not so much.
Yes, I agree. Its constantly put before a mind-manipulated/brain-washed public in two emotionally manipulative ways:
1.) by repeatedly finding and presenting individual 'personal' tales of an alegedly 'unique' and 'special' suffering to inspire sympathy for a relatively small percentage of the victims of war as poor, persecuted, innocent, people whose only 'crime' was to be of the 'wrong' ethnicity.
2.) with racist generalisations portraying all German soldiers in uniform as shockingly sadistic psychopaths.

Both are clearly exagerations removed from the context of a world war where people of different races and nationalies targeted the civilian, non-combatant populations of their enemies.

The prophylactic to this constant mental barrage of emotional manipulation and deception is to be aware that the way to find the truth of any subject is not through belief, but by doubt. What is true and accurate is not arrived at through faith in traditions and authorities, but by honest inquiry.

And this is the distinction that people are becoming more aware of: that 'the holocaust' as reliable history relies on faith and unquestioning belief and it even outlaws doubt and inquiry. So the whole basis of our modern secular society based on empiricism and scientific investigation is contradicted in this one area of enforced 'belief'.

We are constantly reindoctrinated with the mindset that we must never, ever doubt or question or enquire into ANY of the sacred articles of faith that compromise this narrative. We must certainly never doubt or dare to question a so-called 'holocaust survivor'. Anyone who does that is smeared, persecuted and ostracised.

Increasing numbers of people are waking up to the logical inconsistency integral to the pepetuation of this eight-decades old victor war-propaganda.

If its true let it be questioned, investigated and proved. If that is not permitted, and we must merely 'believe', then why? Why can't it be proved empirically? Why does it rely on 1.) emotionally manipulative, unsubstantiated personal anecdote? and 2.) threat of punishment and ostracisation if you apply reason and science to the claims?

SUMMARY: the way to truth is not belief but doubt; not faith but inquiry.
An example of how true-believers and defenders-of-the-faith here at RODOH reacted with exaggerated shock, horror, disgust and hateful abuse to a report of simple, genuinely open and respectful questioning of a so-called 'holocaust survivor' can be read here:

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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Huntinger » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:16 am

been-there wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:20 am
An example of how true-believers and defenders-of-the-faith here at RODOH reacted with exaggerated shock, horror, disgust and hateful abuse to a report of simple, genuinely open and respectful questioning of a so-called 'holocaust survivor' can be read here:
The first true believer in your quote of course was the Snark, the mythical creature of legends invented. Every Jude that lived past the end of the War was deemed a (((survivor))), without one care in the world for the hardships the Russians fought against us Hun.
This constantly brings to mind how a few dead Jude are worth more than say Russians; 25 million Russian citizens perished as a result.
I realize there is a thread on this but it still sticks in the throat like a sour candy the stomach rejects.

The word (((survivor))) is a deliberate psychological construct to make people think Jude suffered horrendously when in fact the suffering was only due to allied bombing, not by the Reich. They did not merely survive, these people, Jude surfed the war by merely riding on the integrity, the waves of the real people who perished. For most of the war they were protected due to being SCHUTZHAFT or in protective custody. They did not fight, but they want to be heroes by inventing tragedies. Gassing is one such tragedy to make them feel part of the war. Without that they are as effectual as tits on a bull.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:35 am

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People who were honestly mistaken are increasingly waking up to that ‘mistake’ and are learning and accepting the truth.
Here is a snippet of a recent conversation.
a questioner wrote:I'm just wondering how you would characterize your views. I assume it would not be fair to call your views "holocaust revisionism" (in the pejorative sense of that label)

I ask these questions only for clarity and understanding.
in reply I wrote:Regarding your question on how I would refer to myself and the terminology 'H-revisionism', I think ALL history should be open to revision. All of it. No sacred cows. Otherwise if some part of 'history' is off-limits for intelligent analysis or critical review, then its no longer history, its become instead a compulsory belief-system. So I would just call myself a seeker of truth in ALL areas of human knowledge. Which is what I tried to explain in that forum post which the moderator deleted. People who have fixed beliefs that they are not willing or able to question reasonably, invariably get upset with my approach.

So... I don't like the use of this H word for just one relatively small part of the horrific internecine WW2 carnage that was horrific for many tens of millions of people. I think its too imprecise, and too emotionally loaded.
the questioner then wrote:Yes, with all that I agree completely.
Yes, what about all the other "holocausts?"
Why, if I ask someone on the street, "How many PEOPLE died in concentration camps?"
will typically the immediate answer be "6 million"??
The reflex memory is to only count the Jews as people [who suffered].
We grew up in America with these "memes".
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Huntinger » Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:34 pm

This dude is somewhat funny but straight to the point.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Huntinger » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:06 am

Immoral at klowns wrote: debunked long ago... You can look that up. And if you’re offended by a chimp like this, deal with it... This ain’t a debunking service for every stupid {!#%@} with a keyboard...
They say everything is debunked. They come up with what they consider sophisticated arguments, which mere mortals fail to comprehend; it is all smoke and mirrors. Intellectual failures from a group of cyber criminals and smugglers.
All great truths come from the "meat and potatoes" not self proclaimed intellectual arrogance as Immoral at Klowns professes. Any real philosophy Professor at any credited University will tell you this. This is not debunked at all. The reality is there are no documents; there are only lie witnesses and they are all Jude.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:28 am

Huntinger wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:34 pm
This dude is somewhat funny but straight to the point.
He makes an interesting observation during the last two minutes, which I haven't thought about before. The bit where he talks about what the 'talking points' were.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Huntinger » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:10 pm

Some food for thought on this one. We shall never forget :roll: they make sure of it.
The last part is a little extreme perhaps but the message is there how people are feeling and will no longer tolerate this crap fostered upon us by Jude.
Jewish people "overplay" the Holocaust and that Jews and Israel are the "biggest players" in the worldwide "culture of violence."
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:35 am

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Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:46 pm
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One of the double-bluff-deceits that Jewish organisations use to further their pro-Israeli, pro-zionist Holocaust narrative is the new 'anti-semitism' definition that makes it a criminal offence to publically state certain self-evident truths.

Self-evident truth such as this: that ANY Jewish-orchestrated lies that are exposed as false is now regarded and criminalised as 'offensive hate-speech'.
E.g. If anyone says that Jewish organisations have elevated the WW2 experience of Jewry to a quasi-religious status, where no-one dare question it publically, that is obviously true and accurate. But new definitions have decided that now constitutes 'anti-semitism' and to point that fact out is holocaust denial and hate-speech.
But how can it be when its so self-evidently accurate? Which therefore logically makes the new definition a lie! Obviously. But their lying definition has been passed into law. So now you can't expose the lie. Catch 22.

Even if it wasn't self-evidently true, how is believing the holocaust to be exaggerated history, hateful? Its either a factually accurate or inaccurate belief. How is it always 'hate' motivated? That defies reality and logic also.

Nobody is criminalising flat-earthers, or people who state their belief of fake moon-landings. That isn't regarded as 'hate speech'. Sure those aren't involving particular groups of people.
Well, the mass-media regularly unkindly ridicules Trump, Hilary Clinton and G 'dubya' Bush. Hmmm? Not hateful enough?
Well how about the fact that nobody calls it 'hate speech' if the mass-media and social media ridicule Nazis and a whole generation of Germans as sadists and complicit mass-murderers. Jews make films every year that do that. Why is that not 'hate speech'? Er... Why not, well, isn't it because people say they believe that is an accurate portrayal?
:ugeek: Does no H true-believer see the double standard there? :ugeek:

We have allowed a situation where if anyone points out that Jews control the US government to such an extent that it would allow it to execute an innocent American citizen — Mr. Demjanjuk for a crime IT WAS KNOWN AND WAS PROVEN he didn't commit — then THAT is anti-semitic.

See here for proof of that lie:


If a Jewish son of Jews — who had been in numerous concentration camps and survived — exposes the shamless racketeering and profiteering of Jewish organisations to make money fraudulently from the 'holcaust industry, then that is anti-semitism!!??? (I'm referring to Norman Finkelsteins book exposé called 'the Holocaust industry' and the support for that he received from none other than Raul Hilberg.)
Q: Why do our societies allow such an obvious travesty?
A: Jewish power. Power that it is a 'hate-speech' to mention.
:ugeek: Do any H true-believers see the irony yet? :ugeek:

Here are some more self-evident truths that are now regarded as 'hate-speech':
• no-one may dare to mention the obvious truth that a large majority of Jews around the world feel more loyalty to Israel than their home country and than they feel to fellow non-Jewish citizens.

• no-one is permitted to dare mention the obvious truth that a large majority of Jews and Jewish organisations have used the 'holocaust' narrative to enforce laws that infringe on peoples freedom of speech and freedom of thought and opinion.

• no-one may dare mention the obvious truth that the Jewish holocaust organisation's new 'anti-semitism' definition was created principally by Jews.

Q: How has saying any of these obvious facts become 'hate-speech'?
A: Because its the only way to protect the lie and stall the truth coming out.

The internet has allowed the H deceptions to be credibly exposed and that exposure of mass-deception widely publicised.
The deception being that in reality there is NO credible evidence for this pseudo-historical 'holocaust' mass-gassing/genocide narrative. The genuine suffering of Jews during WW2 has been allowed to be developed into a deceitful racket.

Idiot liars like Nessie are actually PROOF of the deceit.
He never, ever provides the credible evidence we are all reasonably asking for. He himself is proof of a hoax aspect to this 'history' as he so clearly is a liar protecting and stupidly/dishonestly defending a monstrous miscarriage of justice.

Jim Traficant bravely exposed one small part of that predominantly JEWISH miscarriage of justice, i.e. the Jewish orchestrated framing of John Demjanjuk an innocent man persecuted by Jews. Mr. Traficant exposed a Jewish crime of revenge against an innocent man with genuine EVIDENCE. IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE. For that Jim himself was persecuted. BY JEWS and organised Jewry.

Pointing this out is NOT hate speech. Its ironically the exact opposite: it is campaigning against institutionalised Jewish-led hatred of the truth and anyone who champions it regarding WW2.

Here below are some of things I mentioned above. Take a look at these examples of what the INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE ALLIANCE has successfully persuaded governments and organisations to accept as 'hate speech' and irrational prejudice directed at all Jews simply because they are of Jewish ethnicity.

Take a look at the first one. Haven't Jews in Hollywood and 'H-survivors' and their offspring been making careers out of “mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical” depictions of German men and women alive in Europe in the 1930's and 40's?
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In the spirit of the Stockholm Declaration that states: “With humanity still scarred by …antisemitism and xenophobia the international community shares a solemn responsibility to fight those evils” the committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial called the IHRA Plenary in Budapest 2015 to adopt the following working definition of antisemitism.

On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism: “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews”.

To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:
— Making mendacious, dehumanising, demonising, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective, such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth ...of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

— Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

— Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

— Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

— Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour.

— Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

— Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).
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