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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Fri May 17, 2019 4:27 am

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When is it the appropriate time — and why that particular day — for all good sheeple to be reminded to accept uncritically and unintelligently, and to be reindoctrinated again with the exaggerations, the demonisations, and the mythological narrative that has been created out of the genuine persecution of Jewry in Europe during WW2?

27th January in Canada, the EU, the UN and many European countries.
In 2004 many countries agreed that it should be memorialised on January 27 as that was the day the 322nd Rifle Division of the Soviet Red Army arrived at the abandoned Auschwitz Labour camp. These European countries include Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Greece, Czech Republic and Scandinavian countries.
In 2004 Israel designated this same date as anti- anti-semitism day.
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10th March in Bulgaria.
The day on which the Bulgarian government revoked the plan to expel the country's Jewish population, officially designated in 2003.

19th April in Poland
Chosen because its the day when Jews began to resist their evacuation from the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943, now known as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

2nd of May (this year) for Jews the world over and for Israel. (27th Nisan)
The date relates both to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising which began 13 days earlier, and to the Israeli Independence Day which is eight days later (???? :? ) So why neither of those dates but somehwere not even equally in between? Who knows. Its a mystery.

A week in May in the USA.
In America which is now controlled by Jews there is a whole 8-day period when everyone has to be reminded of the unique and extra-special suffering of poor Jews. It starts from the Sunday before Yom Hashoah to the Sunday after Yom Hashoah.

4th May in the Netherlands.
There is a separate Auschwitzherdenking (liberation of Auschwitz memorial) every last Sunday of January

5th May in Austria.
The day that the concentration camp Mauthausen was liberated in 1945.

16th July in France.
France has two 'holocaust' memorial days. This one marks the mass arrest of 13,152 Jews in Paris on this date in 1942 and their transportation to Auschwitz.

9th September in Slovakia.
On the 9th if September 1941, Slovakia had passed anti-Jewish laws based on the Nuremberg laws.

9th October in Romania.

As Jews the world over memorialise their 'Shoah' in the beginning of May, that might explain why the WW2 historian(?) author on Facebook that I mentioned previously put up the deceitful and emotionally manipulative photo of a scratched wall from a chamber in Auschwitz, dishonestly claimed to show finger-nail scratches from masses of dying gassed Jews. He put it up in the first week in May. I didn't notice which day exactly.
That would explain why he went ballistic when his own self-delusion and his attempt to emotionally manipulate others into deludedly emoting over poor suffering, dying Jews during WW2 was exposed as the spreading of an obviously calculated deception. It suggests that he self-identifies as Jewish and I exposed two of his erroneous core beliefs in public on a social media platform. That my fact-based correction couldn't be refuted presumably caused him enormous cognitive dissonance. Thus his denial and avoidance of reality by reverting to abusing me so dishonestly, so irrationally and so hatefully.
Which demonstrates that the holocaust narrative ironically does exactly what it is supposed to be combatting: it actually creates hatred, oppression and irrational prejudice.

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I genuinely feel sorry for such people. Through no fault of their own they have been conditioned for decades to believe a monstrous deception. The anger and identity-confusion they presumably feel when they are confronted with the reality, quite naturally causes them to look for something external to themselves upon which to direct that anger, as few can direct such feelings against their own stupidity and gullibility.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Sat May 18, 2019 3:43 am

Medical Author William C. Shiel Jr., MD, FACP, FACR wrote:
Medical definition of Prophylactic

Prophylactic:
A preventive measure. The word comes from the Greek for "an advance guard", an apt term for a measure taken to fend off a disease or another unwanted consequence.

A prophylactic is a medication or a treatment designed and used to prevent a disease from occurring
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A prophylactic is something taken before exposure to viruses and germs to prevent infection and contagion.

Beliefs are contagious. And just as with bacterial viruses, certain periods and seasons have heightened risk of contagion with specific 'beliefs'.
The beginning of May is the period that Jews and America memorialise the atrocity-propaganda that came to be branded in the public perception as 'THE Holocaust'. Concocted, emotionally-manipulative 'news' items and social-media memes increase at this time to spread this contagious and destructive belief-system.

Other dates when this diseased-distortion of accurate history are most contagious are listed here.

Tell a lie long enough and repeatedly and some of it will stick. Especially if it corroborates and buttresses other lies people have previously been told and believed.

But however eloquently anybody can argue for the holocaust mythology, anybody who dares think it through for themselves will notice that it just does not add up:
- The roof where pellets were supposedly dropped at Birkenau has no holes.
- The pellets for administering the Zyklon B poison gas emitted it so slowly at low temperatures, that the testimony of ALL the alleged 'eye-witness' — including the alleged perpetrators — are thus proved to be false.
- The captured tank and submarine diesel engines allegedly used over two years for producing poisonous gas in allegedly planned and designed extermination facilities are an extremely impractical and bad methodology.
- The alleged hermetically-sealed doors on gas chambers allegedly having exhaust pumped into them would cause the buildings to collapse.
– The discolourisation of the hundreds of thousands of gassed jews allegedly witnessed daily over months by Jewish sonderkommandos defy human biology.
- The alleged sites of mass graves of the alleged many hundreds of thousands of victims have never ever yet been located, allthough the claimed eye-witnesses have stated precisely where they should be.
- The cremation of all the alleged victims at the sites claimed in the time period claimed is a physical impossibility.
- The numbers of victims claimed at each site changes downward every decade but yet the mythological total never changes.

Etc., etc., etc., etc.

Despite all this and more, the total mythology of the eternally suffering and nearly exterminated Jewish people remains a world-wide, fiercely defended belief.

As I'm sure everyone here is aware, point to any of the above-mentioned and the many other irrefutable facts and many people will be shocked and outraged:
- friends will be lost,
- employees will mistrust you and worry what negative effect employing you might have on their business,
- school teachers will get nervous and twitchy around you,
- political parties will suspend and expel you,
- social media accounts may be terminated,
- contracts may be lost,
- promotion will pass you by,
- foreign nations will not grant you visas,
- Germany will arrest you and imprison you, if you cross their borders.

All that may occur JUST for pointing to irrefutable but unwelcome facts.

Why? Because no-one likes getting their conditioning into societal beliefs exposed as ridiculous and stupid. Nobody likes being wrong. Nobody likes being shown to have been stupidly wrong for most of their lives. So people have a profound and subconscious drive to resist reality and truth, if it offends a long and deeply held erroneous 'belief'.

In the old days you'd get burnt alive at stakes or hung, drawn and quartered if you did that.
You would be regarded as a blasphemer, a wicked person, a bad influence, a witch, of the Devil.

The punishment has changed. The collective mind-set hasn't.
Because its basic, herd-like, human nature. Its basic human psychology.

In the past people believed many things which we now discount as naive, delusional and superstitious. Their delusions and superstitions weren't up for rational, reasoned debate, then either. In Europe it was the Christian Church which enforced belief and was all-powerful. To get on in society you had to toe their line.

It is the same today. Only now, since from the end of WW2 — its zionist-motivated world Jewry that holds the most power and influence. To get on in society you have to toe their line.

E.g. what is happening today to Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran is directly related to that power and influence and to the interests of their Jewish State in the Middle East.

If you do not understand this, then you will never understand:
- the prolonging of WW1 in 1916;
- the 1939 declaration of WW2 by Britain;
- the refusal of Churchill to agree any of Hitler's peace deal;
- the treasonous conspiring of Roosevelt to enter the war against Hitler;
- the intent of the post-war Nuremberg trials;
- the creation of Israel on Palestinian territory;
- the extent of the demonisation of Hitler and 'the Nazis';
and
- the gradual development and increasing proselytisation of what became called 'the holocaust'.

And if you do not understand this, you will never believe or understand the tight and incestuous relationship between the Mossad and the OSS. An extremely tight and incestuous relationship which continued after WW2 when the OSS transformed into the CIA.
And if you don't know about that, then you will never, ever correctly understand the Kennedy assassination, the LBJohnson coup-detat AND the succesful and 'secret' — or, more realistically, the ignored — development of nuclear weaponry against international agreements by the Jewish State of Israel.

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Only a relatively few intellectually-independent people are genuinely interested in the most accurate and factual understanding of world events today and the historical facts that have led to our current situation. The majority regretably are more interested in having confirmation of their pre-existing beliefs. Such people are unaware that these beliefs are rarely theirs, but are ones they have been programmed from childhood onwards to accept and adopt.

Whether its:
- WW2 history;
- or the LBJ coup-d'etat / Kennedy assassination;
- or the USS Liberty attempt at a false-flag attack;
- or the 911 attacks and resultant oxymoronic 'war on terror';
ALL these benefited world Jewry and their racist Jewish State on stolen Middle-Eastern land.

After Kennedy was assassinated, the control over the USA by Jews having a primary loyalty to other Jews and their rogue Jewish state, has increased exponentially. I believe it was because Israel and the international clique of Jews supporting it owned LBJ. He owed them big time, after they had cooperated together on the conspiracy and execution of the modern equivalent of regicide.

Without understanding this control you cannot correctly understand world history at the time and since 1963.

In fact, without understanding the pre-war extent of Jewish influence in American affairs and thus world affairs, you cannot properly understand events since 1933!!

Which is precisely why referring to this unmentioned aspect of world history is forbidden and outlawed as a ‘hate crime’. The irony of that was once pointed out by Fritz. The majority of people cannot comprehend the significance of it. Their conditioning and indoctrination has been too thorough.

After Kennedy was murdered in a public place in broad daylight and the farce of an investigating commission duped gullible people, the Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency allowed the Jewish state to continue its nuclear weapons programme without ANY interference. US policy shifted to a whole-hearted, unquestioning support for Israel. The USS Liberty incident demonstrates to what extent that unquestioning support would go.
I.e. during the Six-Day War of 1967 that the Jewish state precipitated, the Johnson Administration was so sympathetic to Israel's desire for attacking its neighbour's that it permitted them to attack an American ship without coming to its aid. Johnson permitted the killing of 34 US servicemen and the wounding of 171.

US jet fighters from the Sixth Fleet could have been overhead in ten minutes. At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled. LBJ personally ordered the return of the last attempt at defence.
6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis stated that upon receipt of the ships SOS, aircraft were launched to come to their defence and Washington was notified but LBJ ordered them recalled.
USS Liberty's senior Naval Security Group officer, Lieutenant Commander David Lewis wrote:Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier, which was done. RADM Geis speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons. These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink. This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies. This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago."
Jews in America and Israel share a loyalty to each other that justifies killing US serviceman, Americans in towers and in jet passenger planes. That loyalty even justifies killing a popular American President and his brother who was about to become a President.

Jews in America with a loyalty to Israel produce films implanting the holocaust as reliable history in the minds of successive gullible generations who are programmed to believe that only wicked people dare apply logic, reason and honest investigation to the topic.

Well-meaning, moral people believe that pointing out irrefutable flaws in the holocaust narrative is immoral and somehow defending Hitler and the Nazis and anyone doing that should be ostracised as a 'Holocaust denier'.

Well-meaning, moral people believe that pointing out irrefutable flaws in the JFK assassination and the 911 narrative is immoral and deluded and anyone doing that should be ostracised as a 'conspiracy theorist'.

Thanks to the proliferation of English as the predominant universal language, Jews in America through their predominance in book publishing, advertising, mass-media and the film industry have been able to manipulate and form the perceptions of people the world over for decades.

But the internet broke that monopoly.
Which is precisely why some Jews internationally are trying to control it with control of social media, wikipedia, etc, and why they are promoting legislation worldwide outlawing the exposing of any of this as 'anti-semitic'.

When pursuit of accurate history and accurate news is demonised as 'denial' and ‘hate-speech', then the world described and warned against by George Orwell has been achieved.

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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Nessie » Mon May 20, 2019 4:32 am

been-there wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 3:43 am
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Beliefs are contagious. And just as with bacterial viruses, certain periods and seasons have heightened risk of contagion with specific 'beliefs'.
The beginning of May is the period that Jews and America memorialise the atrocity-propaganda that came to be branded in the public perception as 'THE Holocaust'. Concocted, emotionally-manipulative 'news' items and social-media memes increase at this time to spread this contagious and destructive belief-system.
Rather than suggest belief in the Holocaust is like a bacterial contagion that has been concocted as propaganda, you should provide evidence to support your claims.

The reason why you resort to use of an analogy is because you cannot support your beliefs with evidence.
Other dates when this diseased-distortion of accurate history are most contagious are listed here.

Tell a lie long enough and repeatedly and some of it will stick. Especially if it corroborates and buttresses other lies people have previously been told and believed.
The Holocaust has been the subject of study and investigation since the end of the war. In 74 years, if millions had not been gassed and instead left the AR camps, evidence of that would have been found.

It is because no such evidence has been found that deniers use the tactic of attacking the evidence for gassings;
But however eloquently anybody can argue for the holocaust mythology, anybody who dares think it through for themselves will notice that it just does not add up:
- The roof where pellets were supposedly dropped at Birkenau has no holes.
- The pellets for administering the Zyklon B poison gas emitted it so slowly at low temperatures, that the testimony of ALL the alleged 'eye-witness' — including the alleged perpetrators — are thus proved to be false.
- The captured tank and submarine diesel engines allegedly used over two years for producing poisonous gas in allegedly planned and designed extermination facilities are an extremely impractical and bad methodology.
- The alleged hermetically-sealed doors on gas chambers allegedly having exhaust pumped into them would cause the buildings to collapse.
– The discolourisation of the hundreds of thousands of gassed jews allegedly witnessed daily over months by Jewish sonderkommandos defy human biology.
- The alleged sites of mass graves of the alleged many hundreds of thousands of victims have never ever yet been located, allthough the claimed eye-witnesses have stated precisely where they should be.
- The cremation of all the alleged victims at the sites claimed in the time period claimed is a physical impossibility.
- The numbers of victims claimed at each site changes downward every decade but yet the mythological total never changes.

Etc., etc., etc., etc.
The denier argument is that the gassing narrative as told is flawed, therefore no one was gassed. That is a fallacious argument. Fallacies do not cut it with intelligent people. Intelligent people want evidence.
Despite all this and more, the total mythology of the eternally suffering and nearly exterminated Jewish people remains a world-wide, fiercely defended belief.

As I'm sure everyone here is aware, point to any of the above-mentioned and the many other irrefutable facts and many people will be shocked and outraged:
- friends will be lost,
- employees will mistrust you and worry what negative effect employing you might have on their business,
- school teachers will get nervous and twitchy around you,
- political parties will suspend and expel you,
- social media accounts may be terminated,
- contracts may be lost,
- promotion will pass you by,
- foreign nations will not grant you visas,
- Germany will arrest you and imprison you, if you cross their borders.

All that may occur JUST for pointing to irrefutable but unwelcome facts.
Just because some of the evidence is flawed, does not mean therefore it was impossible to have gassed. It is a fallacy to claim no gassing purely on an argument. Evidence is required.
Why? Because no-one likes getting their conditioning into societal beliefs exposed as ridiculous and stupid. Nobody likes being wrong. Nobody likes being shown to have been stupidly wrong for most of their lives. So people have a profound and subconscious drive to resist reality and truth, if it offends a long and deeply held erroneous 'belief'.

In the old days you'd get burnt alive at stakes or hung, drawn and quartered if you did that.
You would be regarded as a blasphemer, a wicked person, a bad influence, a witch, of the Devil.

The punishment has changed. The collective mind-set hasn't.
Because its basic, herd-like, human nature. Its basic human psychology.

In the past people believed many things which we now discount as naive, delusional and superstitious. Their delusions and superstitions weren't up for rational, reasoned debate, then either. In Europe it was the Christian Church which enforced belief and was all-powerful. To get on in society you had to toe their line.

It is the same today. Only now, since from the end of WW2 — its zionist-motivated world Jewry that holds the most power and influence. To get on in society you have to toe their line.

E.g. what is happening today to Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran is directly related to that power and influence and to the interests of their Jewish State in the Middle East.

If you do not understand this, then you will never understand:
- the prolonging of WW1 in 1916;
- the 1939 declaration of WW2 by Britain;
- the refusal of Churchill to agree any of Hitler's peace deal;
- the treasonous conspiring of Roosevelt to enter the war against Hitler;
- the intent of the post-war Nuremberg trials;
- the creation of Israel on Palestinian territory;
- the extent of the demonisation of Hitler and 'the Nazis';
and
- the gradual development and increasing proselytisation of what became called 'the holocaust'.

And if you do not understand this, you will never believe or understand the tight and incestuous relationship between the Mossad and the OSS. An extremely tight and incestuous relationship which continued after WW2 when the OSS transformed into the CIA.
And if you don't know about that, then you will never, ever correctly understand the Kennedy assassination, the LBJohnson coup-detat AND the succesful and 'secret' — or, more realistically, the ignored — development of nuclear weaponry against international agreements by the Jewish State of Israel.

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Only a relatively few intellectually-independent people are genuinely interested in the most accurate and factual understanding of world events today and the historical facts that have led to our current situation. The majority regretably are more interested in having confirmation of their pre-existing beliefs. Such people are unaware that these beliefs are rarely theirs, but are ones they have been programmed from childhood onwards to accept and adopt.

Whether its:
- WW2 history;
- or the LBJ coup-d'etat / Kennedy assassination;
- or the USS Liberty attempt at a false-flag attack;
- or the 911 attacks and resultant oxymoronic 'war on terror';
ALL these benefited world Jewry and their racist Jewish State on stolen Middle-Eastern land.

After Kennedy was assassinated, the control over the USA by Jews having a primary loyalty to other Jews and their rogue Jewish state, has increased exponentially. I believe it was because Israel and the international clique of Jews supporting it owned LBJ. He owed them big time, after they had cooperated together on the conspiracy and execution of the modern equivalent of regicide.

Without understanding this control you cannot correctly understand world history at the time and since 1963.

In fact, without understanding the pre-war extent of Jewish influence in American affairs and thus world affairs, you cannot properly understand events since 1933!!

Which is precisely why referring to this unmentioned aspect of world history is forbidden and outlawed as a ‘hate crime’. The irony of that was once pointed out by Fritz. The majority of people cannot comprehend the significance of it. Their conditioning and indoctrination has been too thorough.

After Kennedy was murdered in a public place in broad daylight and the farce of an investigating commission duped gullible people, the Lyndon B. Johnson's presidency allowed the Jewish state to continue its nuclear weapons programme without ANY interference. US policy shifted to a whole-hearted, unquestioning support for Israel. The USS Liberty incident demonstrates to what extent that unquestioning support would go.
I.e. during the Six-Day War of 1967 that the Jewish state precipitated, the Johnson Administration was so sympathetic to Israel's desire for attacking its neighbour's that it permitted them to attack an American ship without coming to its aid. Johnson permitted the killing of 34 US servicemen and the wounding of 171.

US jet fighters from the Sixth Fleet could have been overhead in ten minutes. At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled. LBJ personally ordered the return of the last attempt at defence.
6th Fleet Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis stated that upon receipt of the ships SOS, aircraft were launched to come to their defence and Washington was notified but LBJ ordered them recalled.
USS Liberty's senior Naval Security Group officer, Lieutenant Commander David Lewis wrote:Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered that the aircraft be returned to the carrier, which was done. RADM Geis speculated that Washington may have suspected that the aircraft carried nuclear weapons so he put together another flight of conventional aircraft that had no capability of carrying nuclear weapons. These he launched to assist us and again notified Washington of his actions. Again McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. He requested confirmation of the order being unable to believe that Washington would let us sink. This time President Johnson ordered the recall with the comment that he did not care if every man drowned and the ship sank, but that he would not embarrass his allies. This is, to the best of my ability, what I recall transpiring 30 years ago."
Jews in America and Israel share a loyalty to each other that justifies killing US serviceman, Americans in towers and in jet passenger planes. That loyalty even justifies killing a popular American President and his brother who was about to become a President.

Jews in America with a loyalty to Israel produce films implanting the holocaust as reliable history in the minds of successive gullible generations who are programmed to believe that only wicked people dare apply logic, reason and honest investigation to the topic.

Well-meaning, moral people believe that pointing out irrefutable flaws in the holocaust narrative is immoral and somehow defending Hitler and the Nazis and anyone doing that should be ostracised as a 'Holocaust denier'.

Well-meaning, moral people believe that pointing out irrefutable flaws in the JFK assassination and the 911 narrative is immoral and deluded and anyone doing that should be ostracised as a 'conspiracy theorist'.

Thanks to the proliferation of English as the predominant universal language, Jews in America through their predominance in book publishing, advertising, mass-media and the film industry have been able to manipulate and form the perceptions of people the world over for decades.

But the internet broke that monopoly.
Which is precisely why some Jews internationally are trying to control it with control of social media, wikipedia, etc, and why they are promoting legislation worldwide outlawing the exposing of any of this as 'anti-semitic'.

When pursuit of accurate history and accurate news is demonised as 'denial' and ‘hate-speech', then the world described and warned against by George Orwell has been achieved.

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Trying to re-write history without having any evidence to support the version being claimed is wrong and invites being attacked and ridiculed. The pursuit of accurate history is achieved by finding what can and cannot be evidenced. Arguments using fallacies is not going to result in accurate history.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Huntinger » Mon May 20, 2019 4:47 am

Nessie wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 4:32 am
Rather than suggest belief in the Holocaust is like a bacterial contagion that has been concocted as propaganda, you should provide evidence to support your claims.

The reason why you resort to use of an analogy is because you cannot support your beliefs with evidence.

The Holocaust has been the subject of study and investigation since the end of the war. In 74 years, if millions had not been gassed and instead left the AR camps, evidence of that would have been found.

It is because no such evidence has been found that deniers use the tactic of attacking the evidence for gassings;

The denier argument is that the gassing narrative as told is flawed, therefore no one was gassed. That is a fallacious argument. Fallacies do not cut it with intelligent people. Intelligent people want evidence.


Evidence is required.

Trying to re-write history without having any evidence to support the version being claimed is wrong and invites being attacked and ridiculed. The pursuit of accurate history is achieved by finding what can and cannot be evidenced. Arguments using fallacies is not going to result in accurate history.
It would appear this contributor has added nothing to the discussion but continuing to a derailment on the efficacy of evidencing as highlighted above. This poster simply discounts evidence and then continues with the mantra outlined above. It is clear the poster has nothing to add to the discussion except to change this thread to a philosophical discussion on empiricism. A request has been made for empirical evidence to support the hoaxer claim but nothing has been demonstrated. The wall of post by Nessie is not acceptable and an attempt to detract from the issue or argument put forward by BT. Could I suggest that instead of derailing threads by finding imaginary faults in arguments, be proactive and give proper discourse, real hard arguments which are of interest. At the moment it is hard to reply to this post without falling into the deliberate downwards spiral. The posters intent should be to convince people of any arguments they may have, not try and dissuade people from arguments of the other side. This is a continuing pattern from this poster which is why most people think it is not genuine but has an agenda of disruption. If there is hard evidence of anything then please present it. The best attack otherwise may perhaps be to say nothing and let other people decide on the validity of the arguments.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Thu May 23, 2019 3:08 pm

This topic thread is not about Treblinka, nor about contaminated water tables, nor Soviet explosions, nor onward transportations from transit camps, nor... etc., etc.
Please discuss discuss those kinds of details in the many, many other threads were they have been discussed previously. Take your pick.
Please don't feed the troll, nor let him turn every thread into disputing his illogical arguments, nor his demand for reversing the burden of proof of the unevidenced but widely believed 'holocaust' mass-gassing mythology.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by blake121666 » Thu May 23, 2019 8:38 pm

been-there wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:08 pm
This topic thread is not about Treblinka, nor about contaminated water tables, nor Soviet explosions, nor onward transportations from transit camps, nor... etc., etc.
Please discuss discuss those kinds of details in the many, many other threads were they have been discussed previously. Take your pick.
Please don't feed the troll, nor let him turn every thread into disputing his illogical arguments, nor his demand for reversing the burden of proof of the unevidenced but widely believed 'holocaust' mass-gassing mythology.
I think everyone should concur with this post. I honestly did not know that Nessie was back on the main board when I inadvertently derailed this thread - which actually wasn't intentional. I did not mean to discuss "where did the Jews go?" other than the replies to give to that question from someone in the general populace.

Take these arguments to another thread, people!

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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Depth Check » Mon May 27, 2019 8:14 am

Nessie has received a 24hr ban for repeated attempts to derail this topic.

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Gentlemen, in future if you see individuals attempting to derail topics please do not bait or engage in debate with them. If you feel strongly about a new subject which has been broached during discussion then please create a new thread to deal with it.

Thank you.



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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by been-there » Tue May 28, 2019 7:50 am

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The indoctrination — and relentless re-introduction — into belief in the holocaust is a perpetual undertaking.

As the son of so-called 'holocaust survivors' Prof Norman Finkelstein courageously admitted and publicised, the fact is that 'the holocaust' has become an industry run by Jewish organisations for lucre and political advantage.

And just as with any manufacturer selling a commodity or a service, this industry constantly has to keep their brand uppermost in the public consciousness.

The 'holocaust industry' does this very efficiently because it does not just have many so-called charitable organisations planning ever new PR campaigns and events in the same way that any Adverising campaign does — all devoted to constantly re-inventing and publicising campaigns to maximise top-of-mind 'brand' awareness. No, it has more than that. It has created a brand that people have bought into and help 'sell'.

We of the more elder generation know that consumers have relatively recently in human history been conditioned into the strange behaviour of purchasing and wearing over-priced clothing adorned with prominent logos and advertising slogans in the shallow belief that this says something about how cool/affluent/radical/trendy/etc.,* they are. In this way they have been manipulated into becoming walking free advertising.

In a similar way politicians and do-gooders feel that by associating with and expressing solidarity with Jews — empathising with exagerrated abhorence the 'unique jewish suffering' motif, and expressing solidarity with the bogus and hypocritical 'never again' slogan — they tell themselves that they are good/compassionate/moral/ethical/ant-racist/anti-hate, etc., etc.*

'The holocaust' is a brand that sells sympathy for Jews.
The benefit or pay-off for the 'purchaser' is that they get to feel good about themselves; they get a boost to their self-esteem. E.g. I may not be perfect but at least I am not like those other evil, facist racist types.

This brand strategy works by selling a simple polarising 'us-versus-them' binary based on hate and mistrust. Its a profoundly negative and destructive brand strategy.

And ironically it doesn't — and hasn't —rooted out racism or genocide from society. On the contrary, it has instead elevated and protected one extremely racist and genocidal group activity (Palestine land-theft) and group identity.
It has instead become a brand with a strategy that ironically and hypocritically sells sympathy AND SUPPORT for the international-Jewish illegal and racist, übermensch land-theft for Jewish lebansraum.

For goyim/non-Jews to come out of this conditioning and see the mind-manipulation is difficult because it means you have to overcome the conditioning that ONLY anti-semites and neo-Nazi racists would even consider this mass mind-manipulation in this way. If you can get over that then you have to get used to the idea that saying anything about your better informed viewpoint means you risk being smeared as an anti-semite, neo-Nazi with all the ramifications of that for you AND your family and freinds.

So that's how it is for non-Jews.

Here is a 2016 blog-article by an ex-Jew and ex-Israeli that touches on how it is for Jews to come out of this mindset.
Gilad Atzmon wrote:
Can Jews ever leave their cult?
Baruch Spinoza left the Jews.
Heinrich Heine became a Christian.
A few others, such as Israel Shamir and myself, a decade ago, simply drifted away.
Recently, Israeli historian Shlomo Sand announced that he too was no longer a Jew.

I read Shlomo Sand's manuscript announcement in Hebrew with great interest but soon realised that while he indeed stopped identifying as a Jew, he still hadn’t removed himself from kosher binaries.

“I don’t write for anti-Semites, I regard them as totally ignorant or people who suffer from an incurable disease”, (How I Ceased To Be A Jew p’ 21).
Lines like these, echoing as they do the language of the ADL, made me feel very uncomfortable. And, when it came to the Holocaust, Sand, who is usually so astute and profound, somehow managed to lose it. The Nazis are “beasts”, and their rise to power metaphorically he described as a “beast awakening from its lair”. Despite my respect for Sand, I would expect a leading, inspirational historian and a former-Jew to have moved beyond such banal, Hasbara-recycled clichés.

This week, in the Jewish progressive magazine Mondoweiss, Avigail Abarbanel, an ex-Israeli and anti- Zionist informed us that she too has now ‘left the cult’. I agreed with most of Abarbanel’s arguments against Israel and Zionism but I was nonetheless alarmed at the intellectual dishonesty at the core of her argument.

“Rarely can people inside a cult see where they are. If they could, the cult wouldn’t be what it is” Abarbanel points out. “They think that they are members of a special group that has a special destiny, and is always under threat”.
Thus does Abarbanel describe the Israelis, yet she fails to mention that this is also an accurate description of the Jewish left in general and the Mondoweiss/JVP cults in particular, to which she herself belongs. As we now know, just as Israel claims for itself a special place amongst the states of the world, so do the anti-Zionist Jews who — when it comes to Anti-Israeli politics — operate within Jewish, racially exclusive political cells (JVP, IJAN etc.). So, if Abarbanel thinks that Israelis are at fault for being a ‘special group’ perhaps she should inform us what is the criterion that legitimates JVP and Mondoweiss being a special group within the solidarity movement?

Abarbanel continues: “cult members are taught from birth that the world outside is dangerous, that they have to huddle together for safety”. This is indeed a good description of Israeli collective psychosis, but it is also a prefect portrayal of Mondoweiss’ operational mode and it putsMondoweiss’ campaign against Alison Weir andGreta Berlin in perfect context. It also explains why Mondoweiss banned Jeffrey Blankfort and why the Jewish outlet changed its comment policy just to make sure that it can block any attempt to criticise the Jewish state in the light of Jewish culture and my own study of Jewish tribalism. Just like Israel, Mondoweiss is terrified of the ‘dangerous world out there’. As far as Abarbanel’s definition of cult is concerned, Mondoweiss, JVP and Israel are actually identical.

Abarbanel is obsessed with the holocaust and this is hardly surprising. The Holocaust is currently the most popular Jewish religion. The Israeli prominent philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz observed in the 1970s that Jews believe in many different things but all Jews believe in the Holocaust. “Have I forgotten the holocaust? No. Of course not,” Abarbanel writes. “Persecution of Jewish people throughout history was very real indeed.” And if you expect Abarbanel, a psychotherapist by profession, to question why is it that Jews have been ‘hated throughout history,’ you’re probably wasting your time. In Abarbanel’s universe, the persecution of the Jews is a metaphysical constant. It is beyond questioning. In her view, Jews are victims and the Goyim are oppressors. “Jews were a hated and despised group among many cultures in Europe, and Jews have always had an uneasy co-existence with non-Jews. Any marginalised or persecuted group has an uneasy relationship with the dominant culture. Once you have been discriminated against it’s hard to trust.”

So again, despite ‘leaving the cult,’ Abarbanel’s take on the holocaust is well within that same Hasbara cult she claims to have left.

Actually, one would expect a psychotherapist to advise the Jews to look in the mirror and actually identify what is it about them that invokes so much animosity in so many different times and in so many different places. This is something Bernard Lazare, an early Zionist did just over a century ago when he identified what it was in the Jews that has made Jewish history into such a disastrous continuum. Sadly, Abarbanel falls far short of this task. Unable or unwilling to examine what is it in the Jew or in Jewishness that invokes animosity, for her, this is one step too far because to look into that question may suggest that Israel is not the problem, it is but a symptom of the problem.

In Abarbanel’s universe, the Jews are always the victims and all they have to do is to separate their victimhood from their identity. This is strange since if victimhood is embedded in Jewish existence, then surely it must also be inherent in Jewish identity. My guess is that the day Jews manage to distinguish between their victimhood and their identity will be the day they simply stop being Jews.

The meaning of this is simple. Abarbanel may have left a cult, but she didn’t leave the cult. Operating well within the realm of Jewish ID politics, her task is simply to convey the image that not all Jews are bad. Abarbanel advises the Israelis to self reflect – perhaps once in a while she should do the same. Other than that I wish her luck in her cultural divorce project.

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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by Huntinger » Tue May 28, 2019 8:14 am

been-there wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:50 am
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The indoctrination — and relentless reintroduction — into belief in the holocaust is a perpetual undertaking.
As the son of so-called 'holocaust survivors' Prof Norman Finkelstein courageously admitted and publicized, the fact is that 'the holocaust' has become an industry run by Jewish organisations for lucre and political advantage.
The issue that appears is that this holocaust industry is acting as a self fulfilling prophesy in many ways. Jude are sucking people in on many levels due to their influence on wealth and the institutions that are the fabric of this without regard to humanity. This of course is a huge Ponzi scheme where only Jude benefit: the consequences for humanity are profound as this scheme constantly relies on "growth" the plundering of resources for the benefit of a few. Political as it is in its implication both Marx and der Führer rejected this capitalistic Jude system for one of working class propriety.
To be frank if Jude cling to power and wealth at the expense of humanity there is no Yawheh to save them. Their Holocaust is coming.
BT I would like you to somehow link your thoughts back to when this relentless re indoctrination first appeared. I suspect it was in place well before WWII.
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Re: 'Holocaust reindoctrination' prophylactic.

Post by rollo the ganger » Tue May 28, 2019 2:03 pm

Put it this way; FICTION is a profitable enterprise. The Disney franchise is all fiction and it generates, I'm sure, billions of dollars per year. The movie industry certainly generates billions of dollars and is all fiction for the most part. Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, etc., etc., etc., ALL fiction but profitable in the extreme. Not only that we have religion which certainly is of questionable truth. In light of this the hoaxsters would ask: "What is our sin?" Is the holocaust industry really any different than the ones mentioned previously?

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