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Bernard wrote:Jeez, Balsamo. I never thought of the 1936 boycott as being a mistake. It seems as though you are taking on the denier persona, or even worse, a Nazi mask. Are you suggesting that the Boycott, like Judea declaring war, represented the indiscretion of so-called International Jewry? You have got to be kidding. Only neo-Nazi wannabes would see the boycott as anything other than a pretext to initiate the brutality toward the Jews that was hardwired into the Nazi system from day one.

Stat Mack has it right. Not sure that I followed you in your analysis of the contemporary French episode with the comic. You mentioned that he was beaten up and lost everything. I should imagine that this has nothing to do with any peculiarities about the French political system, nor about the mysterious power of Jews. In America there are many comics who are "edgy" about race, but there are very subtle requirements to execute such a performance and I am guessing that Dieudonne failed to negogiate that subtlety. American limitations around racism are far more strict than those of Europe. I understand that European football fans often hurl racist abuse at African players. Stateside, such an indiscretion will get a fan killed before the words have fully exited his throat.

When a sportswriter responded to a mediocre performance from Asian basketballer, Jeremy Lin, with a headline in the NY Post reading, "Knicks have a chink in their armor," he was jobless within one day.

We live in a time when prejudice can get you into deep shit. I wouldn't whine on behalf of Dieudonne.
The quenelle just means * wink wink * "fuck you." http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... r-quenelle Just anti-establishment, you know * wink wink * the establishment being, you know, the Jew and his synagogues. http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/1 ... ref=europe

Where is this guy posing? Here:

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And here:

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What a coincidence.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/28 ... hate-mail/
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been-there wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote: My being American is beside the point.
The French guy was just one of many so-called 'news' stories.
I could have found more.
What was the point of your posting this link, as Bernard asked? You haven't explained. However many you could have chosen, you chose one that had nothing to do with media fixation on the Holocaust but with a French right-wing activist himself "exploiting" the Holocaust.
been-there wrote:We are contsantly bombarded with Holocaust 'news'.
Which your link to the material on Dieudonne has nothing to do with.
been-there wrote:The French guy is just one example of what happens when you poke fun at that.
The "French guy" is not just poking fun.
been-there wrote:Your being American might be extremely pertinent to the point.
It could explain why you appear NOT to be able to understand what the point of this thread actually is.
What Balsamo wrote was that
You are american, as i understood, so i suspect you don't know how things is done in France.
Neither he nor you know my connection to things French. Back to your concern with hemorrhoid ads and strawmen, which we hear of perpetually, my being American doesn't speak to what I know about France, Dieudonne, or anything else, actually. What is apparent is that you, wherever you're from, think that "the French guy" is just poking fun, when his followers are mocking Jews who were slain in Toulouse, for example. Up yours, indeed.
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been-there wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote: My being American is beside the point.
The French guy was just one of many so-called 'news' stories.
I could have found more.
We are contsantly bombarded with Holocaust 'news'.
The French guy is just one example of what happens when you poke fun at that.
Your being American might be extremely pertinent to the point.
It could explain why you appear NOT to be able to understand what the point of this thread actually is.
been-there, everyone understands your so-called point. When Stat Mack and myself accuse you of meaningless trolling it doesn't mean that we don't understand that you are engaging in typical denier cliches about Jew control of the media or some such paranoid notion about media. The sad truth is that your gambit of posting a series of news stories merely because the word "Holocaust" appears in them is so pointless and trivial that one can only conclude that you are trolling.

If you have some hard evidence that each of these stories was orchestrated by a centralized collection of conspirators, post your evidence. My guess is that you have no more such evidence than you had regarding Pfannenstiel's recantation.

In any case, the tiny handful of stories posted in such obscure rags as the Montgomery College News isn't even impressive on your own terms. Like I already noted, 1,020,000 papers ran stories about Kevin Durants 48 pt outburst vs the T-wolves last week. Now that is news.

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The point of this thread is . . . I want to hear this in been-there's own words.

What is the point that brings together news items on Dieudonne, antisemite from the sewers; the vandalization of a Holocaust memorial in Ukraine; drunks pissing on a Holocaust monument in Berlin; and other small news items on the Holocaust with the "Media NEVER lets us forget it"?

Is the point that 5+ million murders of Jews carried out under the authority of the German state not a big deal? That Dieudonne and the antics of other antisemitic thugs isn't newsworthy?

Spell it out, been-there. Like Bernard, I am fairly sure I know what you're up to, but, well, you know, I don't want to post a hemorrhoid ad strawman misstatement. So you spell it out.
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Those bastards who control the media:
Google hits for Holocaust: "About 12,700,000 results (0.20 seconds)"

Hollywood: "About 208,000,000 results (0.36 seconds)"
Justin Bieber: "About 92,400,000 results (0.40 seconds) "
Justin Timberlake: "About 37,400,000 results (0.40 seconds)"
Marilyn Monroe: "About 15,100,000 results (0.44 seconds)"
the German, Michael Schumacher: "About 23,500,000 results (0.44 seconds)"
Bowling: "About 64,200,000 results (0.28 seconds)"

More to the point, "war in Vietnam": "About 21,200,000 results (0.39 seconds)"
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Justin Beiber trumps the big H???????????????
He's a Jew, right?

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Allied war crimes - About 14,700,000 results
Israel Apartheid - About 15,400,000 results
Soviet crimes - 13,300,000 results
„(...) Wenn wir irgendetwas beim Nationalsozialismus anerkennen, dann ist es die Anerkennung, daß ihm zum ersten Mal in der deutschen Politik die restlose Mobilisierung der menschlichen Dummheit gelungen ist.“ Kurt Schumacher 23. Februar 1932

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The Aryan Marilyn Fucking Monroe trumps the Big H.

I think Bieber's half German or something. But the Jew is behind him. And the war in Vietnam as well. I think.
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Call Gekrat to deal with this thread. Been-there's done it again: the thread needs special assistance and the Gekrat boys will know what to do with it.
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Nope, if the boycott would have been decided in 1936, it would have been fine. And by the way I don't criticize the decision to boycott per se, I just say that the strategy was a mistake in 1933...It allowed the Nazis to point out that they were right saying that the Jews were Germany's enemies, it fueled the dirty propaganda, at a time where no real anti-Semitic measures had been taken yet...Does not mean that the Nazi were not anti-Semites. But surely, the mobilization in the USA, the big demonstrations in NY, the show at Madison SG did not help the German Jew.

As for Dieudonne, the debate should not concentrate on his personality or his convictions, but on how the powers reacted and are still reacting. And it is getting crazy.
The quenelle is 9 years old, and some "experts" decided that it was a Nazi salute a couple of weeks ago. Beside the gesture, there is a hymn, kind of, saying "Francois la sens-tu qui se glisse dans ton cul, la quenelle..." on the music of the famous song of the Partisans. kind of hard to translate, but it would be like "Francois (the president) can you feel it sweeping in your ass, la quenelle"...It targets the president and lots of french personalities, some of them Jews. The meaning was settled by a decision of Justice a couple of years ago…That the gesture was used against Jews and Jewish symbol does not change its original meaning. If one says “Fuck you” to a Jew, it still means “fuck you”, and does not become a Nazi expression.

The question is why anti-Semitism is gaining force in France, and why France is a specific case.

StatMec, sorry if I offended you when I say that maybe you don't know the specificities of France regarding this case...you told me that you did not speak the language...so...
Anyway, France is a very special case indeed.

First, until 1995, only the "Free France", the one of de Gaulle, was recognized as the French State...The Vichy regime was as a consequence delegitimized. It is Free France that signed the treaties of San Francisco, that took part at the IMT, etc.
Vichy France was to be forgotten as unrepublican and unconstitutional...That was the position of Charles de Gaulle and of every French president up to socialist Francois Mitterand. The last one when asked if France had to apologize for any responsibilities in the Shoah, he clearly stated "NO" adding that this question was an “appeal to hatred”.

One has to keep in mind that this position is the base of the Republic (which is a political regime). Unlike the USA, the Republic is supposed to only recognize citizens which are equal. It is a laic state that, since 1905, does only accept religion as a private matter. It is the contrary of the “communitarism” in vogue in the USA…You are not supposed to be Jew, Muslim, catholic,etc. You have to be a citizen, equal to others.
When in 1995, president Chirac recognized the State of France responsibility in the Shoah – and I don’t want to argue with the validity of that claims (basically I agree) – it was a revolution full of unexpected consequences:

- The first one was the more dramatic, it gave a legitimacy to the Vichy regime, given the status of State of France. In consequence, Free France was not the only France…the other one was also! Suddenly, the following French presidents were not only the successor of de Gaulle, but also of Petain.
- Once the responsibility recognized, it was time for reparation. It gave a new Status to the Jews in France. They became official victims of France. France is in debt to them.
But France has a long past, a long colonial ones…many other victims could then ask for the same treatment…
It was a breach in the Republican pact, to the social contract so to speak. The Jews were given rights and money that had always had been denied to other.

It opened a new dynamic though. As I said the annual dinner party of the CRIF (the main Jewish organization in France) became a MUST GO for every member of the political class, for every President of the Republic who has to declare his friendship to the Jew, but also to Israel.
This is where things go wrong. Only 0.7% of the French population is Jews, 20% comes from their former colonies, African and Arabs. No one goes to their organization's annual dinner party.
The important thing here is that it is not republican.
At one of the Criff dinner party, president Sarkozy proposed that each little French child from CM2 (11-12 years old) to adopt one child victim of the Shoah. Public money were made available to produce very bad movies like “la raffle” or “Elle s’appelait Sarah”…
Since 1995, every president of the French republic has to ask for forgiveness at the commemoration of the “raffle du Val d’hiv”, but none ever asked to forgive France for its “guerre du riff”, for its colonial past or for its “Police operation in Algeria”…
This attitude just don’t fit with the Republican regime which is in crisis. Far from seeing it, the new elite are continuing.
In France today there is an official ceremony for the deportation of 300 Jews from Bordeaux.

This is the context in which Dieudonne evolves. You mentioned the visit of faurisson on his Stage…but that was in 2008, five years after his problem started…the show was called “j’ai fait le con” (“ I fucked up”), and the so-to speak sketch was about Faurisson being the only one that was superior to him in the un-respectability chart. It was not funny, it was even aggressive and stupid. But it was not against the law.
But it is important to stress out that his problems started when he did a bad sketch of an extremist Israeli colonist…The media went wild, one tried to forbid his show that had nothing anti-Semitic in it…on the contrary it targeted religious fanatics which inspired the 9/11 (“la fine equipe du 11 septembre” or “The fine squad of the 9/11)…
Since then, it never stopped…The IRS made 8 inquiries on him. Basically the hell fell on him. I basically don’t care if he deserves it or not. Yes he certainly became anti-Semitic along the way. The important point is that the strategy used to fight anti-Semitism does not work, worse it is counter-productive. The memorial approach, the perpetual promotion of being the “top martyr of all time”, has clearly shown its limits- as shown by your google search illustration. Today people do not care about the Shoah. Poverty has stepped in France, people are scared and angry, and the elite just don’t see it.
It is 1788 all over again.

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