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Forrestal diaries:
"[British Prime Minister Neville] Chamberlain ...stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war."

This was the eye-witness statement of American Ambassador to London, Joseph Kennedy, relating what Neville Chamberlain had said directly to Kennedy off-the-record.

"But which 'Jews'?" has been the response here at RODOH. Names were requested.

The following TOP SECRET files from a Polish perspective, provides some names. These files were captured by the Germans in 1939, and were later confirmed as genuine by M. Lipsky, the Polish ambassador in Berlin in the prewar years, by certain American historians and by Edward Raczynski, the Polish Ambassador in London from 1934 to 1945, who confirmed the authenticity of the documents in his diary.
William H. Chamberlin reported: "I have been privately informed by an extremely reliable source that Potocki, now residing in South America, confirmed the accuracy of the documents". So the authenticity despite the war-time denials, has been allegedly confirmed by the main author of the documents himself.
When the Germans took Warsaw in late September 1939, they seized a mass of documents from the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The documents were captured by an SS brigade led by Freiherr von Kuensberg. In a surprise attack, the brigade captured the centre of Warsaw ahead of the regular German army. Von Kuensberg said that his men took control of the Polish Foreign Ministry just as Ministry officials were in the process of burning incriminating documents.
...It is particularly important to keep in mind that these secret reports were written by top level Polish ambassadors, that is, by men who — though not at all friendly to Germany — nonetheless understood the realities of European Politics far better than those who made policy in the United States.
On 9 February 1938, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy Potocki, reported to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw on the Jewish role in forming American foreign policy:
The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State Department is becoming ever more powerful ...

... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.

In their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred against Nazism.

This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean of blood.

In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be subdued by the 'democratic world.'
Ambassador Potocki's report from Washington of 9 January 1939 dealt in large part with President Roosevelt's annual address to Congress:
The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the spectre of the danger of war. Because of this the Americans have strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison with last year.
Of all the documents in this collection, the most revealing is probably the secret report by Ambassador Potocki of 12 January 1939 which dealt with the domestic situation in the United States. This report is given here in full:
The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews who control almost 100 percent radio, film, daily and periodical press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents Germany as black as possible -- above all religious persecution and concentration camps are exploited -- this propaganda is nevertheless extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and knows nothing of the situation in Europe.

Right now most Americans regard Chancellor Hitler and Nazism as the greatest evil and greatest danger threatening the world. The situation here provides an excellent platform for public speakers of all kinds, for emigrants from Germany and Czechoslovakia who don't spare any words to incite the public here with every kind of slander. They praise American liberty which they contrast with the totalitarian states.

It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia is almost completely excluded. If mentioned at all, it is only in a friendly manner and things are presented in such a way as if Soviet Russia were working with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the clever propaganda the sympathy of the American public is completely on the side of Red Spain.

Besides this propaganda, a war psychosis is being artificially created. The American people are told that peace in Europe is hanging only by a thread and that war is unavoidable. At the same time the American people are unequivocally told that in case of a world war, America must also take an active part in order to defend the slogans of freedom and democracy in the world.

President Roosevelt was the first to express hatred against Fascism. In doing so he was serving a double purpose:
first, he wanted to divert the attention of the American people from domestic political problems, especially the problem of the struggle between capital and labor;
second, by creating a war psychosis and by spreading rumours about danger threatening Europe, he wanted to get the American people to accept an enormous armament program which exceeds the defence requirements of the United States.

Regarding the first point, it must be said that the internal situation on the labor market is steadily growing worse. The unemployed today already number twelve million. Federal and state expenditures are increasing daily. Only the huge sums, running into billions, which the treasury expends for emergency labour projects, are keeping a certain amount of peace in the country. Thus far there have only been the usual strikes and local unrest. But how long this kind of government aid can be kept up cannot be predicted. The excitement and indignation of public opinion, and the serious conflict between private enterprises and enormous trusts on the one hand, and with labour on the other, have made many enemies for Roosevelt and are causing him many sleepless nights.

As to point two, I can only say that President Roosevelt, as a clever political player and an expert of the American mentality, speedily steered public attention away from the domestic situation to fasten it on foreign policy. The way to achieve this was simple. One needed, on the one hand, to conjure up a war menace hanging over the world because of Chancellor Hitler, and, on the other hand, to create a spectre by babbling about an attack of the totalitarian states against the United States.
The Munich pact came to President Roosevelt as a godsend. He portrayed it as a capitulation of France and England to bellicose German militarism. As people say here: Hitler compelled Chamberlain at pistol-point. Hence, France and England had no choice and had to conclude a shameful peace.

The prevalent hatred against everything which is in any way connected with German Nazism is further kindled by the brutal policy against the Jews in Germany and by the émigré problem. In this action, various Jewish intellectuals participated: for instance, Bernard Baruch; the Governor of New York State, Lehman; the newly appointed judge of the Supreme Court, Felix Frankfurter; Secretary of the Treasury Morgenthau; and others who are personal friends of President Roosevelt. They want the President to become the champion of human rights, freedom of religion and speech, and the man who in the future will punish trouble-makers. These groups of people who occupy the highest positions in the American government and want to pose as representatives of 'true Americanism' and 'defenders of democracy' are, in the last analysis, connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.

For this Jewish international [clique], which above all is concerned with the interests of its race, to portray the President of the United States as the 'idealist' champion on human rights was a very clever move. In this manner they have created a dangerous hotbed for hatred and hostility in this hemisphere and divided the world into two hostile camps. The entire issue is worked out in a masterly manner. Roosevelt has been given the foundation for activating American foreign policy, and simultaneously has been procuring enormous military stocks for the coming war, for which the Jews are striving very consciously. With regard to domestic policy, it is very convenient to divert public attention from anti-Semitism, which is constantly growing in the United States, by talking about the necessity of defending religion and individual liberty against the onslaught of Fascism.
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Re: Samuel Untermyer - origins of a myth, call for a war!

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Here is more on the role of a Jew of German parents, living in America, who in 1933 began mobilising Jewish world opinion against Adolf Hitler as soon as Hitler became Reichschancellor and before Hitler had done anything.

Immediately in 1933, this millionaire lawyer and President of the World Jewish Congress and President of the World Jewish Economic Federation, and President of... etc., etc., began spreading the meme that Hitler was not only intent on "sadistically" persecuting Jews, was not only intent on a “cruel campaign of extermination but had — by August 7th 1933 — already began that extermination of the Jews in Germany”.
...the holy war in the cause of humanity in which we are embarked.
...It is a war that must be waged unremittingly until the black clouds of bigotry, race hatred and fanaticism that have descended upon what was once Germany, but is now medieval Hitler-land, have been dispersed.
Now or never must all the nations of the earth make common cause against the monstrous claim that the slaughter, starvation and annihilation, by a country that has reverted to barbarism, of its own innocent and defenceless citizens without rhyme, reason or excuse is an internal affair against which the rest of the world must stand idly by and not lift a hand in defence.

I want to say to you that nothing that has seeped through to you over... the situation of the Jews in Germany begins to tell a fraction of the frightful story of fiendish torture, cruelty and persecution that are being inflicted day by day upon these men, women and children, of the terrors of worse than death in which they are living.

When the tale is told, ...the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people.

The Hitler regime originated are fiendishly prosecuting their boycott to exterminate the Jews... for the sole crime of being Jews, ...closing against them every avenue of livelihood, locking them in vile concentration camps, starving and torturing them, murdering and beating them without cause and resorting to every other conceivable form of torture, inhuman beyond conception, until suicide has become their only means of escape, and all solely because they are or their remote ancestors were Jews, and all with the avowed object of exterminating them.

Germany has been converted from a nation of culture into a veritable hell of cruel and savage beasts. We owe it not only to our persecuted brethren but to the entire world to now strike in self-defence a blow that will free humanity from a repetition of this incredible outrage.
This was the message that was analysed at the very beginning of this topic thread.

Later I asked here at RODOH for anyone to provide the names of any Jews who had been killed by the NSDAP regime between January 1933 and August 1939. No-one was able to provide the name of a single person.

I myself have searched for the names or details of anyone who was killed in Germany purely because they were Jewish in that period. I have found no names nor details.

I could not even find that for any of the people who allegedly were killed during kristallnacht because they were Jewish. No-one is named. Not a single person.

Yet I could find the names of two Germans who were killed by Jews in this period, one because he was an NSDAP member and one purely because he was German.
November 7th 1938 : Murder in Paris of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by the Jew Herschel Grynszpan because he was German.

January 1936: a 26 year old Croation Jew called David Frankfurter travelled 210 kms from Bern to Davos Switzerland in order to murder Wilhelm Gustloff in front of his wife in their home. He shot him four times in the head and chest. Wilhelm Gustloff was the NSDAP (Nazi) representative in Switzerland. At Frankfurter’s trial he explained that he fired the shots not for personal reasons, but because he was a Jew. He further stated that he had no regrets.
Hitler forbade any retaliation against Jews for this murder by a lone assassin


Now today, I discovered that Untermyer was not just travelling the world spreading anti-German hatred based on lies and calling for a world boycott of Germany.
Today I discovered that he was given an opportunity to engage in a dialogue to solve his concerns.
Because today I learnt that in July 1933 Hitler invited him to have a personal meeting and a dialogue. A face-to-face dialogue and discussion that Untermeyer refused and rejected.


Which supports this:
July 11, 1934
George Sylvester Viereck, publicist, testifying yesterday before the Congressional Committee to Investigate Nazi and Other Subversive Propaganda in the United States, asserted that Adolf Hitler told him that it is not he who persecutes the Jews but, rather, the Jews who persecute the German Chancellor.
“Hitler said to me, ‘I do not persecute the Jews; the Jews persecute me,’

Jewish Telegraphic Agency

During this period Jewish friends and colleagues denounced him in the press, calling him “George Swastika Viereck.”
His son Peter Viereck later recalled: “Mrs. Einstein wrote a letter to my father saying they couldn’t continue relations unless he repudiated the Nazis.
And my father replied:
Let the Jews stop attacking Hitler and Hitler will stop attacking them’.”
So who was really propagating hatred and conflict back in the 1930's?

And isn't it interesting/coincidental that a very similar narrative to the one that Untermyer FALSELY claimed in 1933 is still claimed today and used to justify everything from Israeli land theft and murder, to invasions of Iraq, to bellicose rhetoric and belligerent sanctions against Iran, etc., etc.
Samuel Untermyer (1858-1940) had come to prominence during the Gilded Age as the most successful member of his family's New York City law firm, Guggenheimer & Untermyer. By the end of the nineteenth century, Untermyer had become a millionaire and purchased Greystone, a country estate in Yonkers just outside New York City.
...He was also a Wall Street lawyer, a former vice-president of the American Jewish Congress, and a prominent Democrat.

...[After] the appointment of Adolf Hitler as chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933, ...Untermyer had no doubt as to Hitler's true intentions toward German Jewry. He made this abundantly clear on April 13 at a luncheon given in his honour by the American Friends of the Hebrew University. Untermyer had provided the funds for the auditorium on the university campus in memory of his late wife. In his speech Untermyer reflected that:
“Deep is our pity for the persecution, akin to that of the Dark Ages, of our unfortunate [Jewish] brethren, it should be still greater for the remaining ninety-nine per cent of the German people who are thereby relegated to semi-barbarism.
It is now definitely established that there is deep-seated, continuing official propaganda to minimize and mislead the Jews and the rest of the civilized world as to the extent of the persecution with the deliberate purpose of withdrawing interest and support
... But we are not without means of defence. The [second] step of world Jewry must be to ... to see to it that nowhere in the world and under no circumstances should a Jew, from this day forth, buy or use merchandise manufactured in Germany or support Germany industry in any form. The action taken in that respect by the Jewish shopkeepers in London should be followed the world over.
It was also a difficult decision for Untermyer as the son of German Jews. In a letter to his friend Colonel Edward M. House, President Woodrow Wilson's private adviser, the following year he explained that,
As one of German parentage, whose ancestors were for centuries
imbedded in the soil of that land, and as one who has spent long
periods of time in that country and has many dear friends there, I
cannot resist the strongest feeling of sympathy toward the German
people, nor a corresponding feeling of revulsion against the
sadistic cruelties of the present regime.
Ezekiel Rabinowitz, the Executive Secretary of the ALDJR (American League for the Defence of Jewish Rights), decided to approach him. Untermyer agreed to make a plea for unity on the question [of a boycott of Germany] in a speech on May 12th 1933. Rabinowitz was delighted by the enthusiastic response by the Jewish masses to Untermyer's speech. He offered him the presidency or honorary presidency of the ALDJR and invited him to speak at a boycott conference to be held at the Hotel Astor on May 14th, an invitation that Untermyer accepted.
The first conference of the ALDJR attracted nearly 600 delegates representing 288 organizations in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. It was addressed by New York City Mayoral candidate Fiorello H. LaGuardia, Untermyer's friend James W. Gerard, a former United States Ambassador to Germany, and Jacob De Haas, a well-known Zionist. In his address, Untermyer described Germany's policy towards its Jewish citizens as a "cruel campaign of extermination."

The conference resolved to mount a boycott of German goods and services, in cooperation with the committee of Jews in Britain represented by Lord Melchett. A month later, Untermyer formally accepted the ALDJR's invitation to serve as honrary president of the National Boycott Committee of America.

Untermyer soon came under attack from other American Jewish leaders for meddling in a matter outside his area of expertise. In a note attached to a special circular report sent to Untermyer, Morris Waldman, Executive Secretary of the American Jewish Committee, observed:
Above all, it is imperative that in this grave and highly delicate
situation, no individual should speak or act for the Jewish people,
but all should entrust the responsibility to recognized
organizations like the American Jewish Committee and B'nai B'rith
who have been dealing with these problems for many years.
Untermyer replied:
I have given considerable study to this subject and gathered a mass
of information, all leading to the conclusion that the Hitler party
is bent upon the extermination of the Jews in Germany, or upon
driving them out of the country.
...At the beginning of his 1933 European summer vacation, Untermyer attended a three-day conference in Amsterdam from July 19 to 21. More than thirty representatives of world Jewry sought to devise a strategy to counter Germany's persecution of the Jews. The conference had been postponed a month, at the request of the ALDJR, so that Untermyer could attend.

On his way to the conference, Untermyer was interviewed by the London Sunday Express. He was described as one of Hitler's bitterest foes, whose righteous indignation had fired him with youthful vigour in his old age.

Untermyer claimed that Hitler had tried to negotiate through one of his henchmen [friends], but he had refused.
Untermyer told the newspaper:
“I have no intention of going to see Hitler, although asked by his friends to do so. It is an essential part of the Hitler policy that the Jew shall be persecuted to the point of extermination”.
The German Embassy in the Hague reported that support for the boycott at the conference was particularly strong among the Polish delegates.
The conference adopted a resolution that called for a boycott by world Jewry of German goods and services, and agreed to form a World Jewish Economic Federation with Untermyer as president.

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:24 am
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Forrestal diaries:
"[British Prime Minister Neville] Chamberlain ...stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war."

This was the eye-witness statement of American Ambassador to London, Joseph Kennedy, relating what Neville Chamberlain had said directly to Kennedy off-the-record.

"But which 'Jews'?" has been the response here at RODOH. Names were requested.

The following TOP SECRET files from a Polish perspective, provides some names. These files were captured by the Germans in 1939, and were later confirmed as genuine by M. Lipsky, the Polish ambassador in Berlin in the prewar years, by certain American historians and by Edward Raczynski, the Polish Ambassador in London from 1934 to 1945, who confirmed the authenticity of the documents in his diary.
William H. Chamberlin reported: "I have been privately informed by an extremely reliable source that Potocki, now residing in South America, confirmed the accuracy of the documents". So the authenticity despite the war-time denials, has been allegedly confirmed by the main author of the documents himself.
When the Germans took Warsaw in late September 1939, they seized a mass of documents from the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The documents were captured by an SS brigade led by Freiherr von Kuensberg. In a surprise attack, the brigade captured the centre of Warsaw ahead of the regular German army. Von Kuensberg said that his men took control of the Polish Foreign Ministry just as Ministry officials were in the process of burning incriminating documents.
...It is particularly important to keep in mind that these secret reports were written by top level Polish ambassadors, that is, by men who — though not at all friendly to Germany — nonetheless understood the realities of European Politics far better than those who made policy in the United States.
On 9 February 1938, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, Count Jerzy Potocki, reported to the Foreign Minister in Warsaw on the Jewish role in forming American foreign policy:
The pressure of the Jews on President Roosevelt and on the State Department is becoming ever more powerful ...

... The Jews are right now the leaders in creating a war psychosis which would plunge the entire world into war and bring about general catastrophe. This mood is becoming more and more apparent.

In their definition of democratic states, the Jews have also created real chaos: they have mixed together the idea of democracy and communism and have above all raised the banner of burning hatred against Nazism.

This hatred has become a frenzy. It is propagated everywhere and by every means: in theaters, in the cinema, and in the press. The Germans are portrayed as a nation living under the arrogance of Hitler which wants to conquer the whole world and drown all of humanity in an ocean of blood.

In conversations with Jewish press representatives I have repeatedly come up against the inexorable and convinced view that war is inevitable. This international Jewry exploits every means of propaganda to oppose any tendency towards any kind of consolidation and understanding between nations. In this way, the conviction is growing steadily but surely in public opinion here that the Germans and their satellites, in the form of fascism, are enemies who must be subdued by the 'democratic world.'
Ambassador Potocki's report from Washington of 9 January 1939 dealt in large part with President Roosevelt's annual address to Congress:
The American public is subject to an ever more alarming propaganda which is under Jewish influence and continuously conjures up the spectre of the danger of war. Because of this the Americans have strongly altered their views on foreign policy problems, in comparison with last year.
Of all the documents in this collection, the most revealing is probably the secret report by Ambassador Potocki of 12 January 1939 which dealt with the domestic situation in the United States. This report is given here in full:
The feeling now prevailing in the United States is marked by a growing hatred of Fascism and, above all, of Chancellor Hitler and everything connected with Nazism. Propaganda is mostly in the hands of the Jews who control almost 100 percent radio, film, daily and periodical press. Although this propaganda is extremely coarse and presents Germany as black as possible -- above all religious persecution and concentration camps are exploited -- this propaganda is nevertheless extremely effective since the public here is completely ignorant and knows nothing of the situation in Europe.

Right now most Americans regard Chancellor Hitler and Nazism as the greatest evil and greatest danger threatening the world. The situation here provides an excellent platform for public speakers of all kinds, for emigrants from Germany and Czechoslovakia who don't spare any words to incite the public here with every kind of slander. They praise American liberty which they contrast with the totalitarian states.

It is interesting to note that in this extremely well-planned campaign which is conducted above all against National Socialism, Soviet Russia is almost completely excluded. If mentioned at all, it is only in a friendly manner and things are presented in such a way as if Soviet Russia were working with the bloc of democratic states. Thanks to the clever propaganda the sympathy of the American public is completely on the side of Red Spain.

Besides this propaganda, a war psychosis is being artificially created. The American people are told that peace in Europe is hanging only by a thread and that war is unavoidable. At the same time the American people are unequivocally told that in case of a world war, America must also take an active part in order to defend the slogans of freedom and democracy in the world.

President Roosevelt was the first to express hatred against Fascism. In doing so he was serving a double purpose:
first, he wanted to divert the attention of the American people from domestic political problems, especially the problem of the struggle between capital and labor;
second, by creating a war psychosis and by spreading rumours about danger threatening Europe, he wanted to get the American people to accept an enormous armament program which exceeds the defence requirements of the United States.

Regarding the first point, it must be said that the internal situation on the labor market is steadily growing worse. The unemployed today already number twelve million. Federal and state expenditures are increasing daily. Only the huge sums, running into billions, which the treasury expends for emergency labour projects, are keeping a certain amount of peace in the country. Thus far there have only been the usual strikes and local unrest. But how long this kind of government aid can be kept up cannot be predicted. The excitement and indignation of public opinion, and the serious conflict between private enterprises and enormous trusts on the one hand, and with labour on the other, have made many enemies for Roosevelt and are causing him many sleepless nights.

As to point two, I can only say that President Roosevelt, as a clever political player and an expert of the American mentality, speedily steered public attention away from the domestic situation to fasten it on foreign policy. The way to achieve this was simple. One needed, on the one hand, to conjure up a war menace hanging over the world because of Chancellor Hitler, and, on the other hand, to create a spectre by babbling about an attack of the totalitarian states against the United States.
The Munich pact came to President Roosevelt as a godsend. He portrayed it as a capitulation of France and England to bellicose German militarism. As people say here: Hitler compelled Chamberlain at pistol-point. Hence, France and England had no choice and had to conclude a shameful peace.

The prevalent hatred against everything which is in any way connected with German Nazism is further kindled by the brutal policy against the Jews in Germany and by the émigré problem. In this action, various Jewish intellectuals participated: for instance, Bernard Baruch; the Governor of New York State, Lehman; the newly appointed judge of the Supreme Court, Felix Frankfurter; Secretary of the Treasury Morgenthau; and others who are personal friends of President Roosevelt. They want the President to become the champion of human rights, freedom of religion and speech, and the man who in the future will punish trouble-makers. These groups of people who occupy the highest positions in the American government and want to pose as representatives of 'true Americanism' and 'defenders of democracy' are, in the last analysis, connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.

For this Jewish international [clique], which above all is concerned with the interests of its race, to portray the President of the United States as the 'idealist' champion on human rights was a very clever move. In this manner they have created a dangerous hotbed for hatred and hostility in this hemisphere and divided the world into two hostile camps. The entire issue is worked out in a masterly manner. Roosevelt has been given the foundation for activating American foreign policy, and simultaneously has been procuring enormous military stocks for the coming war, for which the Jews are striving very consciously. With regard to domestic policy, it is very convenient to divert public attention from anti-Semitism, which is constantly growing in the United States, by talking about the necessity of defending religion and individual liberty against the onslaught of Fascism.
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There is no evidence that Chamberlain said what the anti-semitic twat Forrestal wrote in his diary.

For someone who likes to go on and on about wanting to see real hard evidence and even then you deny it, but you post a hearsay quote and clearly accept it as a fact because it suits your pathetic agenda.
"It was the first time I had seen Hitler close at hand. Face and head of inferior type, cross-breed; low receding forehead, ugly nose, broad cheekbones, little eyes, dark hair. Expression not of a man exercising authority in perfect self-command, but of raving excitement. At the end an expression of satisfied egotism."

- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:42 pm
There is no evidence that Chamberlain said what the anti-semitic twat Forrestal wrote in his diary.
Using a pure Nessieism and Romanoffism where is the evidence that Chamberlain did not say what the person wrote in his diary.
Of course that gets us no where eh Knowitall. Perhaps you can tell us what Mr Chamberlain did say.


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Whether Chamberlain said that to Joe Kennedy or not can never be proven now.
Arguing over that leads nowhere and is not helpful to anyone.
We could ask why Forrestal would have invented Kennedy telling him Chamberlain said that. That might be useful.

So... Q. Is there any credible explanation for why Forrestal who was the former U.S. Secretary of the Navy and the first U.S. Secretary of Defence would invent something like that in his private diaries written from 1944 to 1949?

And the obvious FACTS being avoided by this troll delusionally calling himself know-it-all is the top secret Polish reports from February 1938 revealing the following:
1.) admitting the concerted Jewish role in fomenting war,
2.) admitting the Jewish control of the American media,
3.) informing the Polish government of the Jewish-led anti-German (and therefore ironically racist) propaganda and hate-incitement.

That is what is being obfuscated. Because this verifiable, genuine, contemporary documentary evidence actually exists. And it was acknowledged as authentic by the author after the war. So... Here it is in irrefutable black-and-white and cannot be denied. Jewry wanted that war, pimped for it, lied to get public support for it.
And as we all KNOW, this is omitted from the enforced ‘consensus view’ of WW2 history. So this is proof of a lie by omission. Its proof we have therefore all been conditioned for seven decades with a deceit.
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been-there wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:57 am
Whether Chamberlain said that to Joe Kennedy or not can never be proven now.
Arguing over that leads nowhere and is not helpful to anyone.
We could ask why Forrestal would have invented Kennedy telling him Chamberlain said that. That might be useful.

So... Q. Is there any credible explanation for why Forrestal who was the former U.S. Secretary of the Navy and the first U.S. Secretary of Defence would invent something like that in his private diaries written from 1944 to 1949?

And the obvious FACTS being avoided by this troll delusionally calling himself know-it-all is the top secret Polish reports from February 1938 revealing the following:
1.) admitting the concerted Jewish role in fomenting war,
2.) admitting the Jewish control of the American media,
3.) informing the Polish government of the Jewish-led anti-German (and therefore ironically racist) propaganda and hate-incitement.

That is what is being obfuscated. Because this verifiable, genuine, contemporary documentary evidence actually exists. And it was acknowledged as authentic by the author after the war. So... Here it is in irrefutable black-and-white and cannot be denied. Jewry wanted that war, pimped for it, lied to get public support for it.
And as we all KNOW, this is omitted from the enforced ‘consensus view’ of WW2 history. So this is proof of a lie by omission. Its proof we have therefore all been conditioned for seven decades with a deceit.
You believe hearsay when it suits your narrative.

You have no reliable evidence that “Jewry” (WTF is that term even supposed to mean??? It’s like a throwback from reading Nazi propaganda crap!) wanted WW2.

Stop trying to re-write to suit your antisemitic crap. WW2 was started because of Hitler’s aggressive foreign policy and his ultimate aims.
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- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:51 pm


Stop trying to re-write to suit your antisemitic crap. WW2 was started because of Hitler’s aggressive foreign policy and his ultimate aims.
The reality is that it was in the interests of J to get Germany out of the equation economically to establish their own power structure within the Soviet Union. 80% of the founding Bolsheviks were Js with a hidden agenda. Germany was the only thing that stood in their way.


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Can this troll be banned already?

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Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:49 pm
Can this troll be banned already?
Here this person can be banned from the forum or exiled to the Gulag. This is not our call as we are mere guests of this forum of free speech. I am sure the administrators are aware of this persons iniquities and will respond appropriately in due course as others of its ilk have found
Could I suggest to ignore the irritation and do research on the topic thread about Untermeyer, you may find your thinking is clarified without the deliberate attempted slurry of the waters by the poster.
While ignoring is the best, we all fall short at times due to the irritation. We just need to be reminded who these people are. A good look at how threads decay into nothing is exemplified first in the ovens thread and now the excavators thread. It is I think the same two opponents.


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Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:57 am
Whether Chamberlain said that to Joe Kennedy or not can never be proven now.
Arguing over that leads nowhere and is not helpful to anyone.
We could ask why Forrestal would have invented Kennedy telling him Chamberlain said that. That might be useful.

So... Q. Is there any credible explanation for why Forrestal who was the former U.S. Secretary of the Navy and the first U.S. Secretary of Defence would invent something like that in his private diaries written from 1944 to 1949?

And the obvious FACTS being avoided by this troll delusionally calling himself know-it-all is the top secret Polish reports from February 1938 revealing the following:
1.) admitting the concerted Jewish role in fomenting war,
2.) admitting the Jewish control of the American media,
3.) informing the Polish government of the Jewish-led anti-German (and therefore ironically racist) propaganda and hate-incitement.

That is what is being obfuscated. Because this verifiable, genuine, contemporary documentary evidence actually exists. And it was acknowledged as authentic by the author after the war. So... Here it is in irrefutable black-and-white and cannot be denied. Jewry wanted that war, pimped for it, lied to get public support for it.
And as we all KNOW, this is omitted from the enforced ‘consensus view’ of WW2 history. So this is proof of a lie by omission. Its proof we have therefore all been conditioned for seven decades with a deceit.
Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:51 pm
You believe hearsay when it suits your narrative.
Q1. Did you read the secret reports of the Polish Ambassador to Washington, Count Potocki?
Q2. If you did, which parts of his analysis from direct experience of the situation do you regard as "hearsay"?

Q3. Did you read the source article at the link I provided?

“It is particularly important to keep in mind that these secret reports were written by top level Polish ambassadors, that is, by men who though not at all friendly to Germany nonetheless understood the realities of European Politics far better than those who made policy in the United States.
For example, the Polish ambassadors realised that behind all their rhetoric about democracy and human rights, and expressions of love for the United States, the Jews who agitated for war against Germany were actually doing nothing other than ruthlessly furthering their own purely sectarian interests.”

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:51 pm
You have no reliable evidence that “Jewry” wanted WW2. (WTF is that term even supposed to mean??? It’s like a throwback from reading Nazi propaganda crap!)
If you don't know what the term 'Jewry' means, I think that demonstrates you are looking at this history from a position of wilful ignorance. Do some research. Try to increase your knowledge of the conditions that existed then.

See more on that here.

E.g. this
In 1935 Jabotinsky proposed a Union of World Jewry, an attempt to organise a stateless nation. ...it was to include all Jews... he himself was not an observant Jew. At the Foundation Conference of the “New Zionist Organisation” in Vienna in 1935, Jabotinsky proposed a new definition of Zionism: the creation of a Jewish state, followed by ingathering of the exiles, liquidation of the Jewish diaspora, with the ultimate aim of the creation of a specifically Jewish culture, its values to be shared by the rest of the world, thus fulfilling the old prophesy “Ki MeZion Tezeh Torah uDvar Adonai MiYerushalaim”.

The headquarters was established in London, and the Irgun Zvai Leumi was also inaugurated.

At the outbreak of World War II, Jabotinsky headed a delegation of the New Zionist Organisation to the USA to campaign for a Jewish army. While visiting a Betar camp he died on 29 Tamuz 1940.
http://www.likud-herut.org.uk/zeev-jabotinsky.php
Q4. Do you think Jabotinsky was also a “throwback from reading Nazi propaganda crap!”

And try reading here.

And here.

And even here.

That is, if you genuinely want to learn about the term 'Jewry', and its use and meaning.

Ermmm... unless you really do think you already know-it-all.
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