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Re: samuel Untermeyer - origins of a myth, call for a war!

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:47 am

You think naming a few Jews who might have had influence in certain areas means that collectively “Jews” were responsible for WW2.

Which Jews forced Hitler to invade Poland? Not a single Jew. Hitler was warned by the British and the French what would happen if he decided to invade Poland and he chose to ignore them and decided to invade Poland which consequently caused WW2.

I know what the term “Jewry” means. This, you can explain how the Jews collectively (Jewry) were responsible for WW2.

Is the best you can do is name a few Jews and quote what they desired? By your logic, the Nazis aimed to unify all Germans so therefore all Germans between 1933-9145 were responsible for WW2 and the Holocaust (of course, that is not true - I am just pointing out the flaw in your argument). You’re relying on fallacies to support your arguments.
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- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Re: samuel Untermeyer - origins of a myth, call for a war!

Post by been-there » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:19 am

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:47 am
You think naming a few Jews who might have had influence in certain areas means that collectively “Jews” were responsible for WW2.

Which Jews forced Hitler to invade Poland? Not a single Jew. Hitler was warned by the British and the French what would happen if he decided to invade Poland and he chose to ignore them and decided to invade Poland which consequently caused WW2.

I know what the term “Jewry” means. This, you can explain how the Jews collectively (Jewry) were responsible for WW2.

Is the best you can do is name a few Jews and quote what they desired? By your logic, the Nazis aimed to unify all Germans so therefore all Germans between 1933-9145 were responsible for WW2 and the Holocaust (of course, that is not true - I am just pointing out the flaw in your argument). You’re relying on fallacies to support your arguments.
An idiotic miscomprehension.
It isn't claimed that ALL Jews caused WW2. :roll:
It is claimed that collectives of influential Jews did and that it was supported by many Jews. Copious evidence of that has been provided. You appear to be in denial of this fact and are therefore responding with strawman distortions of the actual argument. Try harder.
FAIL.
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Re: samuel Untermeyer - origins of a myth, call for a war!

Post by Mr. KnowItAll » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:02 pm

been-there wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:19 am
Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:47 am
You think naming a few Jews who might have had influence in certain areas means that collectively “Jews” were responsible for WW2.

Which Jews forced Hitler to invade Poland? Not a single Jew. Hitler was warned by the British and the French what would happen if he decided to invade Poland and he chose to ignore them and decided to invade Poland which consequently caused WW2.

I know what the term “Jewry” means. This, you can explain how the Jews collectively (Jewry) were responsible for WW2.

Is the best you can do is name a few Jews and quote what they desired? By your logic, the Nazis aimed to unify all Germans so therefore all Germans between 1933-9145 were responsible for WW2 and the Holocaust (of course, that is not true - I am just pointing out the flaw in your argument). You’re relying on fallacies to support your arguments.
An idiotic miscomprehension.
It isn't claimed that ALL Jews caused WW2. :roll:
It is claimed that collectives of influential Jews did and that it was supported by many Jews. Copious evidence of that has been provided. You appear to be in denial of this fact and are therefore responding with strawman distortions of the actual argument. Try harder.
FAIL.
How many is “many”? Did the ordinary Polish Jews, Hungarian Jews, German (including Austrian) jews, etc, who were mass murdered by the Nazis all support it???

You have provided a few quotes from reports. Did those reports contain any footnotes? Where did those people get their information?

The “FAIL” is on you trying to make out like WW2 was caused by the Jews, when in fact it was caused by the corporal Hitler who thought he could invade Poland without the West interfering. Next you’re probably going to tell me that his “peace offers” to Poland were sincere, hahahahahahahaha!!!

Your arguments are not forms of reliable evidence at all, they are cherry-picked examples and more often than not just hearsay e.g. you have used a quote from Forrestal which he claimed that Chamberlain said this and that when you admit it cannot be verified. Do you even read what you have typed before posting? It appears the answer to that question is, “No.”
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- Max von Gruber's description of Hitler at the Beer Hall Putsch trial in 1923

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Re: samuel Untermeyer - origins of a myth, call for a war!

Post by Huntinger » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:27 pm

Mr. KnowItAll wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:02 pm
How many is “many”? Did the ordinary Polish Jews, Hungarian Jews, German (including Austrian) jews, etc, who were mass murdered by the Nazis all support it???

You have provided a few quotes from reports. Did those reports contain any footnotes? Where did those people get their information?

The “FAIL” is on you trying to make out like WW2 was caused by the Jews, when in fact it was caused by the corporal Hitler who thought he could invade Poland without the West interfering. Next you’re probably going to tell me that his “peace offers” to Poland were sincere, hahahahahahahaha!!!


Your arguments are not forms of reliable evidence at all, they are cherry-picked examples and more often than not just hearsay e.g. you have used a quote from Forrestal which he claimed that Chamberlain said this and that when you admit it cannot be verified. Do you even read what you have typed before posting? It appears the answer to that question is, “No.
One may notice the emotional claims here by the poster, about mass murder of Jude by National Socialist Germany; emotional clap trap and off topic., irrelevant to the Untermeyer story. The reality is Reich leader Adolf Hitler claimed the massive invasion of Poland was a defensive action, but Britain and France were not convinced. On September 3, Britain and France declared war on Germany, initiating World War II. The first shots were in fact fired by International Juden who declared economic war on the Reich demanding all Jude fall in behind. Untermyer advocated the Zionist movement and was President of the Keren Hayesod, the agency through which the movement was then and still is conducted in the United States

He helped to found the Non-Sectarian Anti-Nazi League to promote an economic boycott of National Socialist Germany. Economic war is an act of war which at the start of the real hostilities resulted in the internment of all Jude as potential 5th columnists, as many were.
It is clear the tension between the Reich and Russia must come to a head with Poland caught in the middle. Despite the Rippentrop Molotov pact both sides knew that was was inevitable.
Somehow the poster above like Goody67 thinks that wars are somehow started, won and lost by who said what, what was said at places like Posen, what Hitler said, and now here what Chamberlain may have said. Of course what is and what is not said is in very secretive conditions unless it is a public announcement. The first victim of any war is the truth.
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Samuel Untermyer

Post by Huntinger » Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:46 pm

The alleged holocaust figures can be seen in this very simple wikipedia entry
In 1939, the core Jewish population reached its historical peak of 17 million. Due to the Holocaust, the number was reduced to 11 million in 1945.
It is deduced from this that there were 6 million deaths, all Jude who died through systematic extermination as a result of National Socialist Policies.

Where did these figures come from?

In this graph, modern day population figures have been extrapolated back. It is noticed there is an anomaly in the years from 1920 to 1940 with a sudden unexpected peak in population numbers. this goes back to normal in 1950; in other words, just prior to WWII there is a sudden unexpected 21% increase in the world wide Jüdische population.
But why, how?

If the data is true, then it strongly suggests that indeed 6 million Jude perished as a result of WWII, and all the horror claims could be correct, and the "revisionists" are as nutty as fruitcakes.

I will highlight simply the important points and let people make up their own minds on potential fraud here.
  • Until very recently all of the early population data on Jude were from Jude themselves, but which Jude?
  • American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (JDC) gave all statistical data for the world almanac on Jude for publication
  • WWII Jude deaths were based on figures compiled by the JDC
  • JDC formed in 1914 by the American Jewish Committe (AJC) which itself was formed November 11, 1906
  • In 1908, the American Jewish Committee (AJC) assumed responsibility for compilation and editing the American Jewish Yearbook while JPS remained the publisher. (Jewish Publication Society)
  • Samuel Untermyer was already warning in 1933 that extermination of Jude likely in Germany.
  • Samuel Untermyer advocated the Zionist movement. He was President of the Keren Hayesod, the agency through which the movement was then and still is conducted in the United States.
  • Samuel Untermyer took charge of the AJC 1933 and became leading figure in the Boycott of German goods.
  • In 1933 Representatives of the American Jewish Committee, American Jewish Congress and B'nai B'rith met in New York City and established a joint committee to monitor the plight of German Jewry.
  • The AJC continued to organize protest rallies throughout the 1930s and 1940s.
  • In 1936 the American Jewish Congress was instrumental in establishing the World Jewish Congress (WJC)
  • The JDC compiled population figures without verification just prior to and after the war. The JDC were under the influence of Samuel Untermyer; there is no other independent source of the verification of population numbers.
  • The same people who claim there was a holocaust are all Zionists; these are the same people who compiled the statistical data without independent verification.
  • jüdisch population Israel 6.5 million...jüdisch population United States 6.8 million.
  • Same kind of people still in power through control of media and censorship, especially Google, Facebook and YouTube, which have international ramifications.
Without the modern statistical figures which are independent of interest groups as we have today, the figures for the jüdisch population in the 30s would have to be taken at face value as well as the figure of 1950. With modern statistical data based on million of population it is possible to extrapolate back to earlier times with a reasonable amount of confidence.
What we find is that those figures do not agree with the current trend.
my CONCLUSION
The only possible conclusion I can reach at the moment without more information is that the figures which constitute the holocaust number as well as the statistics at the time were fudged by the same group of people who predicted a holocaust in 1933, who also just happened to be Zionists, who also just happened to be the ones who compiled those statistics with no independent verification. The JDC who compiled the statistics are in reality a subsidiary of the AJC. The AJC were led by the leader of the Zionist movement in the United States, who was also the President of the Zionist organization Keren Hayesod; this person was Samuel Untermyer. I claim the statistical estimates are not statistical errors but blatant lies and distortions of statistical data for political and personal gain. This is called Fraud.

AJC creates JDC who collects and interprets statistical data. Statistical data is said to be estimates.... fails to correlate with current trends.....no independent verification or scrutiny.....Led by Zionists who predicts 6 million will perish in 1933...JDC alters statistics accordingly....compared to real figure the fake data gives a 6 million loss. Fraud.

If your conclusion is different please explain why with appropriate data.
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