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Samuel Untermeyer wrote:Samuel in August 1933 talks of a planned annihilation and extermination of Jews underway in 1933 and of the war that must be waged against Germany to stop it
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... the holy war in the cause of humanity in which we are embarked.
...It is a war that must be waged unremittingly until the black clouds of bigotry, race hatred and fanaticism that have descended upon what was once Germany, but is now medieval Hitler-land, have been dispersed.

Germany has been converted from a nation of culture into a veritable hell of cruel and savage beasts. We owe it not only to our persecuted brethren but to the entire world to now strike in self-defence a blow that will free humanity from a repetition of this incredible outrage.

This time the Jews are the victims, next time it may be the Catholics or the Protestants. Now or never must all the nations of the earth make common cause against the monstrous claim that the slaughter, starvation and annihilation, by a country that has reverted to barbarism, of its own innocent and defenceless citizens without rhyme, reason or excuse is an internal affair against which the rest of the world must stand idly by and not lift a hand in defence.

I want to say to you that nothing that has seeped through to you over... the situation of the Jews in Germany begins to tell a fraction of the frightful story of fiendish torture, cruelty and persecution that are being inflicted day by day upon these men, women and children, of the terrors of worse than death in which they are living.

When the tale is told, ...the world will confront a picture so fearful in its barbarous cruelty that the hell of war and the alleged Belgian atrocities will pale into insignificance as compared to this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people.

The Hitler regime originated are fiendishly prosecuting their boycott to exterminate the Jews by placarding Jewish shops, warning Germans against dealing with them, by imprisoning Jewish shopkeepers and parading them through the streets by the hundreds under guard of Nazi troops for the sole crime of being Jews, by ejecting them from the learned professions in which many of them had attained eminence, by excluding their children from the schools, their men from the labor unions, closing against them every avenue of livelihood, locking them in vile concentration camps, starving and torturing them, murdering and beating them without cause and resorting to every other conceivable form of torture, inhuman beyond conception, until suicide has become their only means of escape, and all solely because they are or their remote ancestors were Jews, and all with the avowed object of exterminating them.

As against this, the foulest boycott in the annals of time, we are appealing to all mankind to enforce a counter-boycott. President Roosevelt... is invoking it in furtherance of his noble conception for the readjustment of the relations between capital and labour under the terms of the sweeping Industrial Recovery Act... He is about to enlist the consumers of the country in a national campaign in which they pledge themselves to boycott all manufacturers, jobbers and retailers who fail to subscribe to the codes and to buy only from those who have assented and who are thereby privileged to fly the blue eagle of NRA [National Recovery Act]. What more exalted precedent do our timid friends want? With this explanation of our aims, I appeal to the American Jewish Committee... [to] join in actively pressing this boycott...

There is not time now, but I hope and expect in the near future to be able to report to you the steps that have been taken and that are already under way, and the surprising and gratifying progress already made in many countries toward the success of the economic boycott in which we are engaged. Although considerable progress in that direction has already been made in Great Britain and in the United States, you will be surprised to learn that they are the least advanced and as yet the most inadequately organized of all the countries that were represented at the Amsterdam World Economic Conference, where the boycott was unanimously and enthusiastically approved by formal resolution by a rising vote.
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Chaim Weizmann, president of both the international "Jewish Agency" and of the World Zionist Organization (and later Israel's first president), told British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain in a letter published in The London Times on September 6, 1939:
I wish to confirm, in the most explicit manner, the declarations which I and my colleagues have made during the last month, and especially in the last week, that the Jews stand by Great Britain and will fight on the side of the democracies. Our urgent desire is to give effect to these declarations [against Germany].
We wish to do so in a way entirely consonant with the general scheme of British action, and therefore would place ourselves, in matters big and small, under the coordinating direction of His Majesty's Government. The Jewish Agency is ready to enter into immediate arrangements for utilizing Jewish manpower, technical ability, resources, etc.
Chaim Weizmann's letter to Mr Churchill, September 10, 1941
[Source: Weizmann Archives, Rehovot, Israel].
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I have spent months in America, traveling up and down the country, and clearly searching the American scene. Forces over there are finely balanced; the position is uncertain. There is only one big ethnic group which is willing to stand, to a man, for Great Britain, and a policy of "all-out-aid" for her: the five million American Jews. From Secretary Morgenthau, Governor Lehman, Justice Frankfurter, down to the simplest Jewish workman or trader, they are conscious of all that this struggle against Hitler implies.

It has been repeatedly acknowledged by British Statesmen that it was the Jews who, in the last war, effectively helped to tip the scales in America in favour of Great Britain. They are keen to do it - and may do it - again . But you are dealing with human beings, with flesh and blood, and the most elementary feeling of self respect sets limits to service, however willing, if the response is nothing but rebuffs and humiliations. American Jewry waits for a word - a call - from His Majesty's Government.
...Let me feel, Mr. Prime Minister, that our friendship is not spurned on the British side, nor our name obliterated at a time when Hitler is endeavouring to obliterate our very existence.

Yours very truly

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Here we have the beginnings of the myth, already in August 1933, of a 'planned genocide' allegedly already underway.
True-believers, I await with great interest your explanation.
August 7th, 1933, Samuel wrote:...this devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination of a proud, gentle, loyal, law-abiding people.
SEPT 10th 1941, Chaim wrote:...at a time when Hitler is endeavouring to obliterate our very existence.
How did they know?!? :o
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I should ignore this silly thread and should probably push the blue button to drop the cyber cyanide crystals on all of been-there's gambits, as he has become Stat Mack's prey, and the rest of us need not bother to dilute Stat Mack's fun here.

The answer to this been-there ploy is so transparent that it is troublesome that been-there can't envision the retort for himself - but that is why he is a denier.

Obviously, the Nazi government was so vehemently racist, violent and anti-Semitic that one hardly needed a tinfoil hat to forcast that deadly experiences might await Jews. Jews were being ousted from jobs, villified in public utterances as a matter of mundane rhetoric, forbidden from participating in public life, beaten and murdered by street thugs with police blessings, and persecuted or banned in schools.

And been-there is arguing that a few scarce examples of Jewish rhetoric which anticipated extermination is evidence that International Jewelry were busily concocting a Hoax :lol:

All persecuted minorities anticipate genocide in at least some instances http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Charge_Genocide

If a few Afro-American leaders envisioned a genocide against themselves in 1951 in the USA why should one blink twice that a couple of Jews anticipated bad things in 1933 Germany. In fact, the legacy that German Jews have had to bear boils down to a perpetual accusation from their descendents charging , "How blind and oblivious could you have been to have failed to see what Nazism ultimately had in store for you?"

Every German survivor who failed to emigrate has had to answer that question.

been-there, you are trotting out lame gambits so that we feel that we are shooting fish in a barrell. Sharpen it up, man. This is getting ugly.

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Bernard wrote: Obviously, the Nazi government was so vehemently racist, violent and anti-Semitic that one hardly needed a tinfoil hat to forcast that deadly experiences might await Jews. Jews were being ousted from jobs, villified in public utterances as a matter of mundane rhetoric, forbidden from participating in public life, beaten and murdered by street thugs with police blessings, and persecuted or banned in schools.

And been-there is arguing that a few scarce examples of Jewish rhetoric which anticipated extermination is evidence that International Jewelry were busily concocting a Hoax.
Thanks for reading and replying. But his speech didn't anticipate it, it claimed it was already operational and "already partially executed". Therefore I am curious to know what an exterminationalist would answer in explanation of this apparent pre-cognition of a "planned extermination" that according to holocaust historians hadn't even been decided in August 1933, and so was certainly not "already partially executed" as Untermeyer falsely told his audience, and as was repeated by the New York Times.

Everything that you described hadn't occurred before August 1933, had it?
E.g. When did the first person get "murdered by street-thugs with police blessings" in pre-war Germany merely for being perceived as Jewish?
Was anyone murdered in Germany for being Jewish prior to Kristalnacht in Nov 1938??

If not, can you admit that Untermeyer's 1933 speech is a very early Jewish claim of 'THE Holocaust' narrative, viz. a "devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and... partially executed campaign for the extermination of a... people."

Here is the timeline according to Jewish histories: from it we can see that it does not support either Untermeyer's claims nor your defence of him and his apparent deception.
1933
January 30: Adolf Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany by President Von Hindenburg.
April 1: Boycott of Jewish shops and businesses in retaliation to International Jewry's boycott of Germany.
April 7: Laws for Re-establishment of the Civil Service barred Jews from holding civil service, university, and state positions.
April 26: The Gestapo ("Geheime Stat Polizei" - Secret State Police) is established by Herman Goering, minister of Prussia.
May 10: Public burnings of books written by Jews, political dissidents, and others not approved by the state.
July 14: Law excluding East European Jewish immigrants of German citizenship.

1935
May 31: Jews barred from enlisting in the German armed forces.
September 15: "Nuremberg Laws", first anti-Jewish racial laws enacted; Jews could not marry Aryans nor could they fly the German flag.
November 15: Germany defines a "Jew": anyone with three Jewish grandparents or someone with two Jewish grandparents who identifies themself as a Jew.

1936
March 3: Jewish doctors barred from practicing medicine in German institutions.

1938
March 13: Anschluss (incorporation of Austria), all antisemitic decrees immediately applied in Austria.
April 26: Mandatory registration of all property held by Jews inside the Reich.
August 1: Adolf Eichmann establishes the Office of Jewish Emigration in Vienna to increase the pace of forced emigration.
August 3: Italy enacts sweeping antisemitic laws.
October 5: Following request by Swiss authorities, Germans mark all Jewish passports with a large letter "J" to restrict Jews from immigrating to Switzerland.
October 28: 17,000 Polish Jews living in Germany expelled; Poles refused to admit them; 8,000 are stranded in the frontier village of Zbaszyn.
November 7: Murder in Paris of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by the Jew Herschel Grynszpan.
November 9-10: Kristallnacht, anti-Jewish retaliation to the murder of Ernst vom Rath.
November 12: Decree forcing all Jews to transfer retail businesses to Aryan hands.
November 15: All Jewish pupils expelled from German schools.
December 12: One billion mark fine levied against German Jews for the destruction of property during Kristallnacht.

1939
January 30: Hitler in Reichstag speech saying if International Jewry succeed in starting a war it will result in the Vernichtung of Jews in Europe.
November 23: Jews in German-occupied Poland forced to wear an arm band or yellow star.
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More on this later, but . . . I need to say that for someone attached to Nazi governance – with its “coordination” of interest and social groups and elimination of free speech – it will perhaps be difficult to understand the Great Untermyer Saga.

Before we go there, however, let’s quickly remark on Weizmann’s letters to Chamberlain and Churchill: both were written after German attacks – the letter to Chamberlain shortly after the German attack on Poland, the letter to Churchill a bit over two months following the German invasion of the USSR. Both attacks were carried out by an anti-Semitic government, sworn enemy of Jews, led by a man had publicly "prophesied" the January prior to the Chamberlain letter as follows,
If the international finance-Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations into a world war yet again, then the outcome will not be the victory of Jewry, but rather the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!
In the latter case, the letter came after two months of ongoing German liquidation actions targeting Jews in the East, following two years of ghettoization and other radical measures taken against Jews in Europe.

Weizmann’s support for the Allies should not, thus, be remarkable; it certainly was not very significant – the manpower, resources, etc he could mobilize being limited. However, the record of Jewish leaders, both in the Mandate and around the globe, was during this period tepid, with very few recognizing until late 1942-early 1943 the dimensions of the catastrophe facing Jews in Europe. Thus, Weizmann’s perception in September 1941 that “Hitler is endeavouring to obliterate our very existence,” whilst based in real events, was not widely shared among Jewish leaders. (It needs to be said that your acceptance of German atrocities against Jews during this period renders confusing your calling out Wiezmann’s alarm on this.) Weizmann’s letter to Churchill came at a time, as well, when the Yishuv, prior to the British victory at El Alemein, was in fact threatened by Germany (as well, Yishuv leadership, dependent on the British mandate, had other reasons to support the British during these years). The overall mismatch of the understanding of Jews around the world to reality in occupied Europe and the concomitant slowness of Jewish press, statesmen, and other leaders to recognize what Jews in eastern Europe were already undergoing is chronicled in an interesting study by Yosef Gorny, The Jewish Press and the Holocaust: 1939-1945. As noted earlier, I fail to see where you are going with this path you are on: Jewish leadership of the Yishuv was outspokenly pro-British and expressed, in that and other contexts, from time to time, outrage over Nazi atrocities and crimes against Jews. What is the issue with this, which is all you’ve shown?

As to Untermyer’s speech, Bernard is right: you seem to lack any clue as to what would move Untermyer to an emotional state regarding the Nazis.

I don’t know all he was aware of, of course (more on this later), but the Nazis were notorious Jew-haters and thugs even before Hitler became Chancellor. And deservedly so. Here is one small example for everyone to think about, from the late ‘twenties, from an article that Goebbels wrote for his publication, Der Angriff, appearing on 21 January 1929. Considering the Jews, Goebbels concluded his piece by urging Germans to have
the courage to draw the following radical conclusions:

1. One cannot fight the Jew by positive means. He is a negative, and this negative must be erased from the German system, or he will forever corrupt it.
2. One cannot discuss the Jewish question with the Jews. One can hardly prove to a person that one has the duty to render him harmless.
3. One cannot allow the Jew the same means one would give an honest opponent, for he is no honorable opponent. He will use generosity and nobility only to trap his enemy.
4. The Jew has nothing to say about German questions. He is a foreigner, an alien, who only enjoys the rights of a guest, rights that he always abuses.
5. The so-called religious morality of the Jews is no morality at all, rather an encouragement to betrayal. Therefore, they have no claim to protection from the state.
6. The Jew is not smarter than we are, rather only cleverer and craftier. His system cannot be defeated economically — he follows entirely different moral principles than we do. It can only be broken through political means.
7. A Jew cannot insult a German. Jewish slanders are but badges of honor for a German opponent of the Jews.
8. The more a German person or a German movement opposes the Jew, the more valuable it is. If someone is attacked by the Jews, that is a sure sign of his virtue. He who is not persecuted by the Jews, or who is praised by them, is useless and dangerous.
9. The Jew evaluates German questions from the Jewish standpoint. As a result, the opposite of what he says must be true.
10. One must either affirm or reject anti-Semitism. He who defends the Jews harms his own people. One can only be a Jewish lackey or a Jewish opponent.

Opposing the Jews is a matter of personal hygiene.

These principles give the anti-Jewish movement a chance of success. Only such a movement will be taken seriously by the Jews, only such a movement will be feared by them.

The fact that he shouts and complains about such a movement therefore is only a sign that it is right. We are therefore delighted that we are constantly attacked in the Jewish gazettes. They may shout about terror. We answer with Mussolini’s familiar words: “Terror? Never! It is social hygiene. We take these individuals out of circulation just as a doctor does to a bacterium.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/angrif03.htm Doctor:bacterium; Nazi Party: Jews. See, Untermyer didn't make this stuff up.

Or Untermyer may have heard or read things like this, full of talk about war and fateful conclusions:
The Jew miscalculated. The spiritual hero did not come too late. He took up battle with Pan-Jewry and won the victory. The world knows the name of this hero. He is Adolf Hitler, the Führer of the German freedom movement. The Jew sank under his blows in the dust. Now he sees the enormous danger he faces. He has been uncovered, his criminal plans have been discovered, and a battle is coming like the world has never seen. World Jewry faces Adolf Hitler. World Jewry faces Germany. The Jews will fight without pity. We must also fight without pity against Pan-Jewry. The Jewish people is the people of the Devil. It is a people of criminals and murderers. The Jewish people must be exterminated from the face of the earth.
"Die Geheimpläne gegen Deutschland enthüllt," Der Stürmer, #34/July 1933

Hmmm, “The Jewish people must be exterminated from the face of the earth.” Golly, whatever did Der Stürmer mean? Hyperbole? Wishful thinking? Scare tactics? Calculated to get under peoples’ (read: Jews’) skin?

So Untermyer’s speech didn’t take place in a vacuum. And it wasn’t just propaganda that Jews across the world were hearing. Subsequent to their gaining control of the Reich government and before Untermyer’s speech, which so concerns you to no clearly stated end, yes, indeed, there came a series of the enactments and actions of Hitler’s state and movement against Jews, some of which you've cited. This highly charged and threatening environment is the one that motivated Untermyer to try to form a movement to isolate the Nazi government and create pressure on it to stop its anti-Semitic legislation and action.

(more when I have some time, it is the New Year . . . )
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:More on this later, but... In the latter case, the letter came after two months of ongoing German liquidation actions targeting Jews in the East, following two years of ghettoization and other radical measures taken against Jews in Europe... Thus, Weizmann’s perception in September 1941 that “Hitler is endeavouring to obliterate our very existence,” whilst based in real events, was not widely shared among Jewish leaders. (It needs to be said that your acceptance of German atrocities against Jews during this period renders confusing your calling out Wiezmann’s alarm on this.)... As noted earlier, I fail to see where you are going with this path you are on... What is the issue with this, which is all you’ve shown?
Is this more evidence of a possible blind spot??
The question was how could Weizmann in September 1941 know that “Hitler is endeavouring to obliterate our very existence”?
Not even historian's today with all the documentary evidence at their disposal can demonstrate such a thing, and many do not believe any such thing had been decided at that date, let alone "planned", even less partially implemented.
Statistical Mechanic wrote:... but the Nazis were notorious Jew-haters and thugs even before Hitler became Chancellor... Untermyer didn't make this stuff up. Or Untermyer may have heard or read things
... So Untermyer’s speech didn’t take place in a vacuum. And it wasn’t just propaganda that Jews across the world were hearing. Subsequent to their gaining control of the Reich government and before Untermyer’s speech, which so concerns you to no clearly stated end, yes, indeed, there came a series of the enactments and actions of Hitler’s state and movement against Jews, some of which you've cited. This highly charged and threatening environment is the one that motivated Untermyer to try to form a movement to isolate the Nazi government and create pressure on it to stop its anti-Semitic legislation and action.
(more when I have some time . . . )
Hmmmm? And yet again the specific questions remain unanswered and instead obfuscatory blather has been proffered.
Here again is what has been asked:
Q. When was the first Jew killed by street thugs with Police watching and giving their blessings? Had even a single person been killed for simply being Jewish in August 1933?

Q. Was there really a "devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and... partially executed campaign for the extermination of a... people" underway in August 1933?

It seems a very simple and uncomplicated question: 'THE Holocaust' narrative is of a plan to kill ALL Jews in Axis occupied Europe.
Untermeyer claimed to have evidence of that "planned and already partially executed campaign for the extermination" in August 1933. Q. How is that possible?
Q. Is this one of the earliest example of a clearly false Jewish mythology of Jew genocide?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:This highly charged and threatening environment is the one that motivated Untermyer to try to form a movement to isolate the Nazi government and create pressure on it to stop its anti-Semitic legislation and action.
An alternative explanation is that Untermeyer was a key participant in an orchestration by International Jewry to precipitate another war against Germany.
Untermyer declared a holy war to which he called on others to join using clearly false and highly emotive allegations that have since become enshrined in western society, and denial of which is punishable still today with ostracisation and imprisonment, (i.e. 'the Holocaust' highly emotive allegations).

Untermyer and Weizmann would then be key players of such an 'International Jewry' group who actually worked to cause the war that Hitler referred to in his 1938 speech, and to which increased anti-semitical activity was a self-proclaimed NSDAP response.

It was admitted by Weizmann that such an International Jewish organisation had been successfully instrumental in bringing America into WW1 and so causing Germany's defeat.
(“Blaming the defeat of World War 1 on JEWISH FINANCIERS, Hitler subscribed to the Stab In The Back theory which was growing in popularity in Germany in 1919.” -- Ralf Georg Reuth.)
In Chaim Weizmann's letter to Mr Churchill, September 10, 1941, he wrote:It has been repeatedly acknowledged by British Statesmen that it was the Jews who, in the last war, effectively helped to tip the scales in America in favour of Great Britain. They are keen to do it - and may do it - again .

And Neville Chamberlain admitted that International Jewry had forced Britain and France to declare war on Germany in 1939. "Chamberlain stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war."
http://www.yamaguchy.com/library/cikkek/forrestal.html
Are you actually scared of the truth or trying to suppress it? I can no longer decide.
What exactly is anti-semitical in anything I have written?
Winston Churchill used the term International Jewry in an article in 1920 Do you deny this?
Adolf Hitler also did in 1933 and in 1945.
Forrestal recorded Chamberlain and Kennedy both confirming that in their view not only did such a thing exist it was instrumental in the cause of Britain and France declaring war on Germany in September 1939. Do you seriously deny any of these historical facts?
previously discussed here
Exactly the same narrative that Untermeyer FALSELY claimed in 1933 is still claimed today and used to justify everything from Israeli land theft and murder, to invasions of Iraq, to bellicose rhetoric and belligerent sanctions against Iran, etc., etc.
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been-there wrote:
Bernard wrote: Obviously, the Nazi government was so vehemently racist, violent and anti-Semitic that one hardly needed a tinfoil hat to forcast that deadly experiences might await Jews. Jews were being ousted from jobs, villified in public utterances as a matter of mundane rhetoric, forbidden from participating in public life, beaten and murdered by street thugs with police blessings, and persecuted or banned in schools.

And been-there is arguing that a few scarce examples of Jewish rhetoric which anticipated extermination is evidence that International Jewelry were busily concocting a Hoax.
Thanks for reading and replying. But his speech didn't anticipate it, it claimed it was already operational and "already partially executed". Therefore I am curious to know what an exterminationalist would answer in explanation of this apparent pre-cognition of a "planned extermination" that according to holocaust historians hadn't even been decided in August 1933, and so was certainly not "already partially executed" as Untermeyer falsely told his audience, and as was repeated by the New York Times.

Everything that you described hadn't occurred before August 1933, had it?
E.g. When did the first person get "murdered by street-thugs with police blessings" in pre-war Germany merely for being perceived as Jewish?
Was anyone murdered in Germany for being Jewish prior to Kristalnacht in Nov 1938??

If not, can you admit that Untermeyer's 1933 speech is a very early Jewish claim of 'THE Holocaust' narrative, viz. a "devilishly, deliberately, cold-bloodedly planned and... partially executed campaign for the extermination of a... people."

Here is the timeline according to Jewish histories: from it we can see that it does not support either Untermeyer's claims nor your defence of him and his apparent deception.
1933
January 30: Adolf Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany by President Von Hindenburg.
April 1: Boycott of Jewish shops and businesses in retaliation to International Jewry's boycott of Germany.
April 7: Laws for Re-establishment of the Civil Service barred Jews from holding civil service, university, and state positions.
April 26: The Gestapo ("Geheime Stat Polizei" - Secret State Police) is established by Herman Goering, minister of Prussia.
May 10: Public burnings of books written by Jews, political dissidents, and others not approved by the state.
July 14: Law excluding East European Jewish immigrants of German citizenship.

1935
May 31: Jews barred from enlisting in the German armed forces.
September 15: "Nuremberg Laws", first anti-Jewish racial laws enacted; Jews could not marry Aryans nor could they fly the German flag.
November 15: Germany defines a "Jew": anyone with three Jewish grandparents or someone with two Jewish grandparents who identifies themself as a Jew.

1936
March 3: Jewish doctors barred from practicing medicine in German institutions.

1938
March 13: Anschluss (incorporation of Austria), all antisemitic decrees immediately applied in Austria.
April 26: Mandatory registration of all property held by Jews inside the Reich.
August 1: Adolf Eichmann establishes the Office of Jewish Emigration in Vienna to increase the pace of forced emigration.
August 3: Italy enacts sweeping antisemitic laws.
October 5: Following request by Swiss authorities, Germans mark all Jewish passports with a large letter "J" to restrict Jews from immigrating to Switzerland.
October 28: 17,000 Polish Jews living in Germany expelled; Poles refused to admit them; 8,000 are stranded in the frontier village of Zbaszyn.
November 7: Murder in Paris of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by the Jew Herschel Grynszpan.
November 9-10: Kristallnacht, anti-Jewish retaliation to the murder of Ernst vom Rath.
November 12: Decree forcing all Jews to transfer retail businesses to Aryan hands.
November 15: All Jewish pupils expelled from German schools.
December 12: One billion mark fine levied against German Jews for the destruction of property during Kristallnacht.

1939
January 30: Hitler in Reichstag speech saying if International Jewry succeed in starting a war it will result in the Vernichtung of Jews in Europe.
November 23: Jews in German-occupied Poland forced to wear an arm band or yellow star.
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Was anyone murdered in Germany for being Jewish prior to Kristalnacht in Nov 1938??
Yup. Violence, the threat of Violence, arbitrary arrest and death in concentration camps were active possibilities for every German Jew from the onset of Nazi power.
The March 1933 anti-Jewish riots started in the Ruhr district and
immediately spread all over the Reich. Everywhere the performance was the
same: party activists and divisions marched in front of Jewish-owned business
and enterprises, distributed handbills with the slogan “Germans, don’t buy at
Jewish shops,” and photographed “Aryan” customers.21 SA activists broke into
Jewish lodgings, carried out “house searches,” maltreated Jews and arrested
them. There were also killings. In Straubing, Bavaria, on March 15, 1933, a
Jewish businessman was shot by unidentified uniformed men. from "The Nazi Party and its Violence Against Jews -1933-1939" by Armin Nolsen

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An alternative explanation is that Untermeyer was a key participant in an orchestration by International Jewry to precipitate another war against Germany.
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Where on God's planet do you get this nonsense? I defy you to come up with one iota of evidence for this hilarious, paranoid blather. Who put Untermeyer up to it? Who were the conspirators in this effort to organize war against Germany? Documents? Witnesses?

Your standard of proof is beyond contempt. Virtually any absurdity that you can yank out of your bum qualifies as an alternative explanation.

You can't assert stuff without something to back it up. Ask Stat Mack. Hasn't he told you this already?

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