Porta Westfalica (Kitty Hart exposed)

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Teddy wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 1:45 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 9:55 am
Teddy wrote:
I will not say that the whole Holocaust was a Hoax...but there are so many question marks around this whole event that I dont believe it anymore.
I suppose that would depend on what you call a "holocaust". The Germans certainly didn't treat the Jews with kindness and TLC. Lots of Jews took advantage of the Haavara agreement and left Germany for Palestine in the 1930s. After the outbreak of war Jews were rounded up and put in concentration camps, sent to work in forced labor battalions or evicted. The Germans had evicted the Jew bankers and taken control of their own money in 1933-34.

However, there was no policy or plan to exterminate the Jews, The National Socialist simply wanted the Jews out of western Europe, a perfectly understandable goal. The Jews invented the "HOLOCAUST" in 1971 and began really banging that drum. Before that, the Jews had to make do with with war crimes and "crimes against humanity". The claims for steam chambers, gas chambers, mass cremations, along with artifacts from human skin, soap from human fat, shrunken heads, etc. were all a product of the marsupial escapades at Nuremberg and the associated military tribunals after the war. The 6 million shibboleth had been around since the late 19th century and was dusted off for use in the holyhoax.

Of course there's lots more to it than that but that's the general outline of what's now called the holyhoax. It's a scam for sucking both shekels and political influence from the stupid goyim.
thank you for the answer 8-) ;) I didn't know that the Jews themselves invented the word "Holocaust" in 1971.
There was a plan "Madagaskar" to resettle Jewish people. And in German there exists the word "Endlösung" - dont know what that was supposed to mean...in Germany people still think it meant killing by gasing :idea:

Even the number of the 6 Million is not true and officialy named a fiction these days...how should we believe the rest of the story...

:)
It is NOT correct to say that “the Jews themselves invented the word "Holocaust" in 1971”.

The word 'holocaust' existed and had been used for genocides BEFORE 1971.

E.g. Winston Churchill referred to the Armenian genocide with that word in 1929:

“whole districts blotted out in one administrative holocaust”.

Here is a fuller quote: “in 1915 the Turkish government began — and ruthlessly carried out — the infamous general massacre and deportation of Armenians in Asia minor...
[the Turks were] massacring uncounted thousands of helpless Armenians men, women, and children together — whole districts blotted out in one administrative holocaust — these were beyond human redress”.
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The Jews began applying the term "holocaust" to the alleged events of WW II in 1971. Perhaps 1970 but the consensus is 1971.

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Sat May 16, 2020 3:58 pm
The Jews began applying the term "holocaust" to the alleged events of WW II in 1971. Perhaps 1970 but the consensus is 1971.
That also is apparently not correct.
I haven't checked to confirm his findings but a Jewish 'survivor' of ghettoes and Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen concentration camps, wrote that he did a search in 2001 to check when the usage of that word started in reference to the Jewish WW2 experience and also when it became ubuiqitous as a reference to it.
He wrote that he himself first came across the usage of that word in 1965.

He also wrote that he didn't become aware that his experience of WW2 was supposedly a uniquely 'Jewish' one until 1950.

See his claimed findings below:
What I question (and that’s why I have put quotes around “Holocaust survivor”) is the appropriateness of labeling the experience that I survived (six years of imprisonment in ghettos, labour camps and concentration camps as a child during World War II) — an experience that was, to me, simply a part of the War — as part of something that, for me, did not exist until it was invented in the late 1950s and never seemed anything but a pretentious literary metaphor for what was supposedly a unique experience of Jewish suffering.
When, as a nine-year-old, I spent a month in Buchenwald, it never occurred to me that those of my fellow-inmates who were Gypsies, Soviet prisoners of war, or Danish policemen arrested for helping the Jews escape, were undergoing experiences that were different from mine. We were all experiencing the War, a many-fronted war, one of whose fronts happened to be the war — ultimately one of extermination — that the German state waged against the Jewish people. Ever since, for over half a century, I have not been able to accept the singling out of this one front, horrible as it may have been, as a unique epoch-making event that requires its own grandiose name, its own capitalised dictionary entry, its own academic discipline called “Holocaust studies.” It is in this sense that I count myself as a Holocaust denier.
I first encountered the word ‘Holocaust’ in the title of a book published in 1965: Holocaust and Rebirth, Bergen-Belsen, 1945-1965. The book is of some personal interest to me, since I spent the last months of the War, after Buchenwald, in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, and several years after the War as a resident of the DP camp there; my name and youthful pictures can be found in the book.
In order to find out whether my youthful self-absorption might have clouded my memory, I performed a little computer-aided experiment. I checked the list of titles that the library of the University of California at Berkeley lists under the subject heading of “Holocaust, Jewish (1939-45)”.
Of the 344 items, thirteen carry publication dates before 1960 (from 1943 to 1958, to be exact), and another four from 1961 to 1964; in other words, about a book a year. But the lustrum 1965-69 brings 34 entries, with the H-word first appearing in the title of the aforementioned Bergen-Belsen book. And the rhythm is maintained in subsequent decades: 63 entries for 1970-79, 129 for 1980-89, 101 for 1990 to 1998.

http://faculty.ce.berkeley.edu/coby/essays/confden.htm
One interesting development and perhaps sign of increasing censorship of the internet is that a search for "Churchill" +"quote" +"Armenian" +"holocaust" produces almost nothing. Just many hits wittering on about the experience of European Jews during WW2. You have to know the quote from Churchill exists concerning the Armenians and then search using google books to find it.
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IOW, the Jews began using the term "holocaust" as a propaganda device in 1971.

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Turnagain wrote:
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IOW, the Jews began using the term "holocaust" as a propaganda device in 1971.
:?

How do you arrive at that conclusion from Coby Lubliner's findings?
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Lubliner's finding concerned a single usage of the term. The Jew's hue and cry about the "holocaust" began in 1971, possibly 1970.

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Lubliner's finding concerned a single usage of the term. The Jew's hue and cry about the "holocaust" began in 1971, possibly 1970.
:?
Please elucidate... with evidence and references.
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been-there wrote:
Please elucidate... with evidence and references.

Please GFY, been-there.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 7:02 pm
been-there wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 6:25 pm
Turnagain wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 8:52 pm
...The Jew's hue and cry about the "holocaust" began in 1971, possibly 1970.
:? Please elucidate... with evidence and references.
Please GFY, been-there.
Ah, I see. So you believe this 1970-71 ‘beginning’ date, but you don't know why. You just believe it. And no-one is allowed to ask you why.
Ok. Thanks.
That's good to know. :ugeek:
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Submit the entry for "holocaust" from the 1965 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

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