Typhus Outbreak in LA Today

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Re: Typhus Outbreak in LA Today

Post by Freya » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:10 am

And if scientific biological disease is rollo's and Scott's concern, then would medical testing be limited to screening for lice and certain pathogens?

Or would the same battery of 'tests' include some sort of 'examination' to determine 'mental illness?' If so, who gets to perform such an examination? Who gets to even decide if a (presumably) arrested citizen needs to undergo one? What are the criteria for 'mental illness?'

Etcetera Etcetera Etcetera...

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Post by rollo the ganger » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:06 pm

Freya, as I have shown you before there are already Federal, State and Local laws dealing with what diseases need to be monitored and when quarantine is appropriate. As for 'mental illness' my only concern would be that the person is a danger to themselves and/or others. Incarceration can come about also through the criminal process. For example if the homeless person is in possession of stolen goods or controlled substances.

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Post by Scott » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:49 am

Let me volunteer a clue about street people and the homeless that perhaps is not widely understood:

These people are ALREADY being ARRESTED by the POLICE on an almost daily basis--and in the process they are usually passed through the hospital, and that is the extent of the medical treatment that they will ever receive.

So, even when the police finally roust them up, they are back on the street in a day or two. Even if they are not held in jail, the homeless shelters toss them back out onto the street at the crack of dawn.

The hospitals hate them almost as bad as the Illegals that choke the ERs at all times of the day or night already, because they are required to treat anybody by law, but they will never get paid--even though a lot of the homeless qualify for Medicaid and Food Stamps and subsidized housing, etc. Or they would qualify for these benefits if they ever bothered to keep their correspondence even remotely current. That is what free Obamaphones were meant to help with.

The point is that these people have already spent more time in the back of a police paddy wagon than you or I ever will have.

Also, here is another street tip while I'm on a roll:

If you want the police to drive an armored fighting vehicle through some guy's living room, just call in something on a Domestic Violence hotline. (And no, this is not code talk about Nïggers, either.)

So when police come investigating the complaint--all "cocked and locked" as they say--if the "optics" are such that there is a drunken "bipolar" woman sporting a "Frances Farmer impression" somewhere in the apartment complex, then the police will not even need a warrant to start a systematic SWAT team search for "firearms and explosives." They will literally try to crash a tank through some guy's living room as a result of an escalated "domestic violence" tip.

Whether or not the Sheriff's department really needs an armored fighting vehicle (AFV) for the purposes of law enforcement, is the subject of another debate--but regardless, they will need nothing more than an excuse to display it for the media from time to time regardless, if only to justify those "military" purchases.

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Post by rollo the ganger » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:39 pm

Here's an idea. It's called "Bucket Detain". Might work at homeless camps.


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Post by Freya » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:21 pm

Scott, what are these homeless people arrested for?

Do you really think all women reporting domestic violence are somehow emotionally (or gasp! 'mentally' and if so, what would be the difference?) unhinged? I personally think the era in which women could continue to complain about domestic violence without leaving is largely gone in terms in terms of political and economic conditions, but I still find your characterization disturbing.

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Post by rollo the ganger » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:17 pm

Freya, if you haven't already done so may I suggest you volunteer to work at a local soup kitchen or "employment center" as they are often called? Or volunteer in some other capacity that assists the homeless and brings you into contact with them so you can experience, or see, first hand their plight? I'm sure a local church could direct you as to where your assistance would be most helpful. Your complaining about the situation here isn't helping the matter. To be quite honest I used to give to a local soup kitchen/homeless shelter/employment center near where I use to work through my United Way donations at work.

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Post by Scott » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:43 am

The police don't need any reason to arrest somebody.

Maybe they arrested somebody they thought looked like somebody shiftless that they got a complaint about who was "aggressively panhandling." It does not really matter.

A lot of homeless people stay at the Public Libraries for as long as they are open--and they are tolerated as long as they are not watching Anime (Japanese cartoons) or porn on the computers. Generally the public does not complain too much if they stay inside out of the heat. The major public response to undesirables (often People of Color) monopolizing public space is to avoid using public space themselves if they possibly can, but I digress.

The University Library at Downtown Phoenix had the same attitude at first but they had to change it, because a lot of the nursing students (most of them female, I'm guessing) at the Medical School downtown frankly complained about vagrants being there. The Law School relocated downtown too, so that also fostered a change in the policy--so now you have to be directly affiliated with the University in some manner to be there. They needed to make the Law and Medical schools like more upscale and the first change was to remove vagrants.

I don't really want to go too much into it, but when a homeless guy camps out at the Library the regular patrons complain in spades. It is vomit-worthy, I mean, literally speaking. And one catches them bathing in the restroom regularly, and it is not surprising that the police respond to similar complaints all the time. Homeless people are not always men but they are the ones rousted by the police the most often.

I don't want to make fun of "bipolar" diagnoses or comment too much about domestic violence here either, but our society turns the volume up to 11 when any mention of something "domestic," i.e., about women or children, comes up--real or imagined.

You don't need to be a convicted felon--or to be adjudicated as mentally ill or anything like that--just having someone ask about a "domestic violence incident" could cause serious legal problems for you.

I'll give an example taken from the public sphere.

A Republican State Legislator in Arizona a few years ago was driving down the freeway and was apparently having an argument with his "bipolar" girlfriend in the car. Let's call her "Lois Lane" just to be cheeky. So Margot Kidder--I mean "Lois Lane" wink, wink--started throwing a fit and the man driving actually had to pull off to the side of the road and wait until she quit throwing things.

Some witnesses saw this and called the police; it looked like a "domestic violence" thing to them. When the "witnesses" were questioned by the media they doubled down, although they came across more like clueless tourists to me.

Anyway, when the police arrived they arrested the woman but saw no need to arrest the man. Later the police lied and said that the only reason they did NOT arrest the man too was because he was a State Senator. Womp. Womp. Womp.

So there was a big stink about whether the traffic police actually have the authority or not to arrest a sitting legislator or congressman or if that idea about immunity is just an urban legend.

The answer is that police certainly can make an arrest if the legislator is not on his way (speeding or otherwise) to the legislature for a pending vote--in which case they are supposed to provide a police escort if it were ever necessary for some reason. But any notion whatsoever of immunity refers to non-felony questions (which excludes pretty much anything more involved than a routine traffic ticket). The idea is that police are not allowed to harass sitting legislators for petty misdemeanors regardless of whose party they belong to.

After a big followup investigation, the police never filed any charges against the man--who happened to be a Republican State Senator--but MORE importantly, whose girlfriend chimped out while he was driving on the freeway, which justifiably led to HER arrest.

An overwrought investigation never found any wrongdoing on the part of the man--and they did not confiscate his firearm, which was stored in the car at the time--which they absolutely would have done if they suspected him of ANY wrongdoing whatsoever, State Senator or not. The woman being of demonstrable theatrics, however, was arrested and SHE spent the night in jail.

Feminists and Marxists might protest the outcome--but this does not change the facts of the case in any way.

The police did not arrest the woman and make her spend the night in jail because she was Superman's girlfriend, although that is the narrative that the media kept going with.

Sometimes the actress that played Superman's girlfriend is just a bipolar alcoholic--and Superman, while he may or may not be a jerk in real life, at least in this case didn't do anything wrong.

The guy who I am calling "Clark Kent" here, who was an Arizona State Senator, also had a German surname in real life--and that probably didn't help the media calumny against him.

Let's be serious for a moment. You can get arrested just telling the dogcatcher to go to hell. And don't say anything that can be construed as threatening to the dogcatcher, because the law will consider it as if it were the same thing as a mortal threat made against a real police officer.

Democratic politicians absolutely would not let go of this "domestic violence" incident on the freeway. The fact that the other party was male and a Republican was all the evidence they needed--and the media circled around like real blood was in the water. Jewish legislators were actually having "judicially non-binding disciplinary fact-finding hearings" for the benefit of ambulance chasers that would make a series of great Saturday Night Live parody sketches.

In the end, Clark Kent was not reelected to the State Senate, and I don't know if girlfriend Lois Lane ever made it through rehab.

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P.S. A little historical background that might have been lost in my earlier rant about driving tanks through somebody's living room as a result of a "domestic" (violence) tip...

When Janet Reno became Attorney General she had a tough reputation about being hard on child-support enforcement, drugs, and domestic violence, etc. as a prosecutor in Florida. (She pioneered some controversial evidence-gathering techniques too but I won't go into that.)

Anyway, one of Janet Reno's first decisions as Bill Clinton's Attorney General was to approve the FBI take-down at the Waco complex in Texas where they literally drove tanks and used tear gas against kids to arrest cult-leader David Koresh, whom they easily could have arrested in town beforehand for Treasury Department tax stamp irregularities. Waco became a siege only because the Feds wanted a PR stunt--but it went horribly wrong.

The long story short is that Bill Clinton's excuse for the Waco take-down that went wrong was that they were investigating rumors about child abuse and domestic violence. This was a complete lie--or big stretch of the truth at best--and it motivated Tim McVeigh, who bombed the Oklahoma City Federal building.

This is just a general comment, not addressed to anybody in particular...

People just entering college this year are WAY too young to remember George Herbert Walker Bush or probably Janet Reno and when the Clintonistas came to town, so sometimes I find myself narrating foundational background too much. I remember while working in a TV control room about thirty years ago that I used the once-common phrase "this is more complicated than a Moon Shot," and the person who was probably a Gen X-er that was standing next to me had absolutely no idea what I was referring to (the first Moon Landing was almost fifty years ago, after all). One might as well be lamenting something about what "the Japs" did at Pearl Harbor.

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Re: Typhus Outbreak in LA Today

Post by Freya » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:42 am

Scott you have issues with women, and with science. There is no 'bipolar' disease, only manic depression which features psychosis and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anger. Real mania is euphoria.

And yes, rollo, I have volunteered at homeless shelters but in the northeast and midatlantic the situation(s) are very different. Police are not supposed to arrest people for sheer vagrancy, among others.

Don't be surprised that the majority of americans do not sympathize with this movement.

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Post by Huntinger » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:50 am

Freya wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:42 am
There is no 'bipolar' disease, only manic depression which features psychosis and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anger. Real mania is euphoria.
The main lines of the DSM-5 definition of major depressive episodes (MDE), basic to the diagnoses of both bipolar I and bipolar II disorders, are similar to those of DSM-IV: presence of five of nine diagnostic symptoms with a minimum duration of 2 weeks and a change from previous functioning. However, it is now possible to specify both depressive disorders and bipolar disorders with mixed features. There is a bipolar disorder and this may be called a disease.

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Post by Freya » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:07 am

Have you ever studied how the DSM gets written?!!!!!!!!! It's 100% political, based on zero biological science whatsoever and funded by Pharma and the Medical Industrial Complex.

'Bipolar' was called manic depression until the mid to late 1980's, when Pharma decided to start calling life issues of various kinds biological diseases. They then changed the name of manic depression to 'bipolar' so that all the people who knew what manic depression was wouldn't notice so much.

Manic depression was defined as episodic bouts of mania and depression. The manic phase was hallmarked by psychosis deriving out of EUPHORIA solely. There was never any other 'emotion' or 'mental state' associated with real mania. It was happiness and unbridled energy that would become psychosis very shortly into the episode, usually by 24 hours at the latest.

The depressive phase wasn't associated with psychosis so much, just with extreme depression brought about by nothing obvious.

This is a very real genetic physiological disease (no, I don't have it BTW) that was known to manifest by late teens to mid-20's at the latest. I have studied those who suffer from it.

'Bipolar' was created to try to convince americans that life problems - PTSD, anger issues, addictions, political oppression, etc. etc. - were some version of manic depression which had nothing to do with situational stressors in any direct way.

It is completely fake.

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