You are wrong to say witnesses report being transported from TII to "well over a dozen camps" or "a myriad of camps". There is only evidence of transports from TII to about half a dozen camps and the vast majority went to Majdanek.Turnagain wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:10 amNessie wrote:And...? What is the significance of the deportees traveling to Majdanek before being dispersed to other camps? Bear in mind that not all of the deportees went to Majdanek.You have previously said that "We know that deportees left Treblinka and were sent to a myriad of camps" and then linked to CODOH and said "well over a dozen different camps", but that is only if you include every camp they ever went to. If you listen to what the witnesses said, the majority went to Majdanek first. Where they went to after that is not a camp that took a transport from TII.There is witness testimony and the oral histories from the USHMM of deportees traveling to other camps. As far as I know the only actual records for deportees arriving anywhere are the records found by Mattogno of 412 individuals arriving at Majdanek. What is your point? Do you have one or are you just making an observation?There are very few camps that there is any evidence that transports arrived from TII. Majdanek took the majority.
He was recording transports to and from TII. So, on the 18th August a transport arrives from Bialystock (which had a large Jewish ghetto) at TII and then the train goes on to Lublin, which is where the camp Majdanek is located.What the hell are you talking about? Zabecki stated that:Except he didn't say that, he noted that some transports left with people on board.PJ 201 went to Lublin via Treblinka. PJ 203 went to Lublin via Treblinka and PJ 204 went to Treblinka, "arrived at Treblinka". The Treblinka train station wasn't located at T-II. Two trains went through the Treblinka station on their way to Lublin and one train, PJ 204 went to Treblinka II. Zabecki made no mention whatsoever of any trains loaded with deportees coming from Treblinka. Are you damaged?On 18 August 1943, a transport of Jews “PJ 201" (32 wagons) went to Lublin from Bialystok via Treblinka.
On 19 August, the transport “PJ 203" (40 wagons) went to Lublin from Bialystok via Treblinka.
On 19 August, the last transport of Jews from Bialystok, “PJ 204" (39 wagons), arrived at Treblinka.
You are the one who is damaged, since you ridicule me for a lack of witnesses to c7000 leaving TII, but you happily accept c850,000 left without any witnesses
Unlike you, I will not accept anything that is not evidenced. You make a version of events, whether it is evidenced or not.Yes, I do claim that people witnessed the thousands of deportees boarding trains and leaving T-II. They simply didn't say anything about it. They lied by omission to support the phony holyhoax. Can't have all of the poor sufferink Jews get murdered while thousands were leaving for other destinations. After all, Treblinka was a super-secret murder facility whose existence had to be guarded even at the expense of innocent German lives. Well, according to Wiernik.Is that your claim now?
Schwartz said "There we were, at least a hundred and fifty girls in a cattle car, with about two hundred men in another car." All you have done is watch Eric Hunt's highly edited videos that do not include all of what the witnesses said.You are getting your figures from estimates and averages of train sizes. I have repeatedly told you where I get my figures from, again here;
First off, your site made a mistake. Helen Schwartz left in a trainload of women, "every car, all women" and went to Majdanek. Kulawy left in a mixed trainload of men, women and children and went to A-B. Runia Lunski left Treblinka in a train of unknown makeup and went to Tschenstochau-Pelzery.
Zabecki noted the transports and they are recorded on the list.Your site lists a subtotal of 7,305 deportees including the children to Thereseinstadt. That's minus the 350 they mistakenly attributed to Helen Schwartz. You claim that there was a total of 7,655. Where the hell did the 100 come from that were sent to Sobibor to dismantle that camp?
No they didn't. In the 1944 aerial photo of Sobibor it has also been razed to the ground just like TII, leaving one house and some out buildings for the Ukrainian guard who was left at the site.On October 20, 1943, three carloads (some say five) of workmen/sonderkommandos were sent to Sobibor for execution after dismantling Treblinka II. That's according to Zabecki. Sobibor wasn't dismantled. The Soviets took it over and used it for their own purposes.
They count as transports, we do not know how many were on them. That is why I a range c6,500 to c8000. The exact number is not known.At any rate, you claim a maximum of 8,000 deportees from T-II. What about the three (3) trainloads? Are you saying that the numbers are unknown so they don't count?
Hunh? That's one of the more silly-assed statements I've heard in a long time. That's like saying that you can't travel from LA to Vancouver, BC, if you stop in Portland, Ore. That's a contender for the dumbest thing I've ever heard come out of a human mouth. Unbelievable!Not dozens directly from TII. You cannot count a camp that someone went to after they had already left TII as a camp that took a transport from TII. If someone goes from TII to Majdanek and then to Budzyn, that is not a transport from TII to Budzyn.
My POS computer is acting wonky again so I'll post this and continue later.
You are trying to claim more direct destinations from TII than existed, by also counting onward travel. You cannot count LA to Portland as one transport if it goes via Vancouver. It is two transports, the second being Portland to Vancouver. Your tactic is to create a false impression TII was transporting people to far more camps than it was, by counting transports that went via another camp.
Of the 40 witnesses listed, 30 say they went to Majdanek first. Majdanek took 75% of all transports from TII. You then count onward transports from Majdanek as if they came from TII to make your false claim of TII transported to dozens/a myriad of other camps.
You are also continuing to dodge that it is physically impossible for the Nazis to have transported c850,000 out of TII without leaving any evidence of that happening.